They are cast, yes, so the thrumming stone templars will come with the 4/4 from Oketra. Definitely could work.
I love seeing all the potential commanders for the Templar Knights.
I would consider proxying if you're looking to test since decks like this have a tendency to get stale fairly quickly especially once they "do the thing" a few times. Grain of salt obviously, that's just my experience!
To be fair, Dragon‘s Approach is a lot of fun because burn is burn and there is a lot of synergy burning all your opponents. I took Thrumming Stone out a long time ago, and I’m considering taking out all dragons (it’s Knollspine, Bonehoard, and Cavern-Hoard anyway) and putting in [[Lightning Shrieker]] for the flavour fun.
Oh wow… Dalek sounds crazy with DA. Burn, create a creature, and draw up to three cards? Also at least Ancient Silver can be fetched for more card draw… I just don’t like the flavour (though Florian, my Commander, isn’t that much better…)
Can confirm, considered doing the Holy Trio: Cleric/Angel/Demon deck running 12-15 Shadowborn Apostles in [[Shilgengar, Sire of Famine]] but got bored just making the list and reworked it with other creatures to fill those Shadow slots.
Exactly. I remember pulling both of those cards in Return to Ravnica draft when I first got back into magic, and I've always wanted to have a use-case for them.
Well if you want to win with the burn rielle is the wrong commander. I discard dragons approach to draw more cards with Rielle off of draw/discard spells and then once I have 4 in grave cast once to get a dragon.
I wrote a primer here: https://www.reddit.com/r/EDH/s/mxMj8OIP2n
You want [[Abaddon the Despoiler]] as your commander then. My buddy had a DA deck helmed by Abaddon that got very nasty very fast and won just by burning the table, dragons were just a bonus.
[[Illuna, Apex of Wishes]] is the way to go if you want to win with the burn!
[[Thrumming Stone]] is your only nonland permanent in the deck, you play a bunch of instants, sorceries, lands that create creature tokens. Mutate into a token, get the Thrumming Stone for free, cast a Dragon's Approach, easy burn win
> I would consider proxying if you're looking to test since decks like this have a tendency to get stale fairly quickly especially once they "do the thing" a few times. Grain of salt obviously, that's just my experience!
I hate it. 5-6 turns into the first game with a deck and the pit of your stomach knows your will take it apart after all that work building it.
Agreed in this case, the "any number of" cards always seem to be more expensive, and I get the feeling that this deck just has to scoop if *any* sort of hate piece or board wipe gets cast.
Dump your Templars, oops there's a Sunfall, there goes your deck. Or any other board wipe. Or artifact removal, is playing Judith, Plague Engineer, or the worst possible interaction for you: [[The End]].
Because they're all the same card, save effort and just sleeve up a ton of off-color Basic lands. "Plains are Plains, Mountains are Templar Knights - here's the rules on a Tempar Knight."
A lot of people are missing the big picture here. You could run nothing but plains, thrumming stone, [[!Akroma's Memorial]] and like 60 something knights. Use 5 knights to find the stone, then cast a knight to thrum out all knights in your deck, use 5 more of those to find the Memorial and swing for like 150 damage.
I've already tested it on moxfield, and it goes off on turn 5-6 every time unless someone removes a knight ofc. It's very corny, but it works.
That doesn't work all at once, though. The knights have to be attacking already to tutor anything out. So you'd tutor the Thrumming Stone, then next turn be able to tutor out the Memorial.
Warning: Thrumming Stone decks are painfully boring to play both as and against. Fun the first time it works, linear and uninteresting with basically two possible results every following game.
You just get extra 4/4s. So 2 mana, get a 4/4 token, then ripple into another Templar which is also cast giving you an extra 4/4. So for your original 2 mana, you get 12 power. Even more if you ripple into more than one Templar.
When a third of your deck is the same card, getting five on the board isn't that hard, and they're cheap enough that it's easy to have mana left over to both get the thrumming stone and cast one more... and which point you have 30+ copies of the card on the battlefield.
Might not seem like much, but with rats, it really sucks when you can't get to that thrumming stone.
There's 4 cost reducers for white creatures; perhaps 5 if you count helm of awakening.
Locket of yesterday requires you to have a dead templar.
Oketra monument and pearl medallion are meh-ish.
The immortal sun, while actually legendary and thus kinda relevant for the deck, costs six.
The probabilities for you to have one of those early enough that your five first templar + the artefact costs less than 9 is abysmal. Best you can do is turn one land sol ring pearl medallion then cast your five templars for a magnificent total of 8 mana instead of 10. Waw.
They were referring to the fact that this card that allows any number of cards in your deck is white, which white is the color of artifact tutors and saying the other cards that allow any number in your deck don't have that.
But the two main ones [[Relentless Rats]] and [[Shadowborn Apostle]] are both black cards and black has tutors that can find any card with no restrictions.
Oketra is not a necessary component of breaking the cards.
I encourage all relentless rats and shadowborn apostle players to load up with 30+ tutors so that when they ripple with Thrumming Stone they usually just hit a bunch of lands and tutors.
That's a fair point... though Dragon's Approach itself doesn't tutor up Thrumming Stone.
I prefer to do more degenerate "tutoring" with Dragon's Approach (https://www.moxfield.com/decks/4JVTC2k9SE6Axw0-j5\_1gw). ;-)
A friend and I were looking at [[sigarda, font of blessings]] or [[kyler, sigardian emissary]] depending on how aggressive you want to be. Green also gives you a little extra help like overrun effects or stuff like [[torens, fist of the angels]] to help you go extra wide
And of course you’d want stuff [[oketra’s monument]] and [[pearl medallion]]
Imo he’s better for the 99 of a selesnya version of the deck, I think either the card advantage or pump in the cz are better but I think he’d also be fine
Literally played against a dude running templar proxies and thrumming stone yesterday. In a single turn he dropped 27 of his 40 white men on field. I had propaganda and windborne muse so he could swing once or twice at a time but it was mad annoying
“Have legs” ? It’s fine
Mono-white is brutal and you have limited number of ways to get thrumming stone out. There’s more effective ways to make a giant board out there.
That being said, it’s sick as hell and I encourage you to try.
so you've already got 5 of these on the board, you're attacking with them, then aren't swinging with zombies until minimum one turn later assuming you already have oketra and a sixth knight in hand. this is rough.
Also extremely vulnerable since you have limited ways to give your dudes haste in white. You do get t protection and clever concealment but otherwise you just lose to most good board wipes since indestructible doesn't do anything against farewell, Sunfall, deluge, and all blue wipes
You have to attack be attacking with them anyway to trigger the tutor ability. ;-)
Strategy is something along the lines of "attack -> tutor thrumming stone -> find some way to cast another knight with flash -> have something in play that triggers on cast that makes the attack, or the board state in general, stupid".
I mean I would go UW. Gives you access to additional artifact tutoring, counterspell protection + blue card draw like Kindred Discovery. Stenn lets you cast your templar for 1 white, which makes it much more viable to combo earlier.
2 tutors, a birthing pod requiring a 4, and 2 five drops.
I doubt we’re building the deck to trigger Oswald or forgemaster consistently, so that leaves 3 others (besides the guys, as has been pointed out even though that’s very slow and resource consuming)
The Knights already care about artifacts to some degree. I could see an Oswald package going pretty hard in this deck. Plus you probably want to run a bunch of rocks anyway. Def an Urza’s Saga deck
[[Enlightened Tutor]], [[Inventors' Fair]], [[Kuldotha Forgemaster]], [[Search for Glory]], and [[Thalia's Lancers]] are the main options for getting the Thrumming Stone.
White is one of the better colors overall to tutor Thrumming Stone up to be honest - and even has ways to recur it for when it is destroyed if you wanna go that route.
Mono White in EDH isn't in as bad of a place as it was a couple years ago which was somewhat overstated then - although this does make the newer chase white cards generally pricier.
Tbh though, where it is most lacking is the ability to turn that big turn into an immediate win like you could easily with black or red involved - or even blue with extra turns. That's a big limitation.
I have 2 mono white at the moment (MoM and Noble Lae’zel) and they’re both very good. White has good stuff but it doesn’t have a ton of wiggle room to not run its staples/good strategies
Interestingly, [[oketra's monument]], [[kefnet's monument]], [[bontu's monument]], [[hazoret's monument]], and [[rhonas's monument]] all have a color identity of colorless, so you can include all of them in the deck (though Hazoret's monument is probably the elast usedul if you pull of the combo.)
I think you're better off with \[\[Greymond\]\]. If you get the thrumming stone out it won't exactly matter if you made a bunch of 4/4s. You'll either untap and swing for the win, or get board wiped, the extra creatures won't really impact that.
Yeah Oketra doesn't seem like the best build to me. The 4/4s are... just idiots? I mean 4/4s are nice but I can't believe that they're the best thing to get out of running "oops all Templar Knights."
Like I imagine you're gonna win the game with your knights by landing an [[Akroma's Memorial]] or [[Graaz, Unstoppable Juggernaut]] or whatever. Like the army of 3/1s seems like the way you're trying to win, adding 4/4s just helps you buy time with some extra blockers. But I think it just makes more sense to pick a commander that either helps you find Thrumming Stone, or helps actually turn your 3/1s into useful creatures.
Thrumming Stone has a bunch of "whenever you cast a spell" and "whenever you cast a creature spell" synergies. Obvious ones include \[\[Aetherflux Reservoir\]\], \[\[Oketra's Monument\]\], \[\[Door of Destinies\]\], \[\[Folk Hero\]\], \[\[Song of the World Soul\]\], \[\[Bygone Bishop\]\], \[\[Gandalf, White Rider\]\], \[\[Oltec, Matterweaver\]\], \[\[Leering Emblem\]\], \[\[Diamond Knight\]\], \[\[Leonin, Battlemage\]\], etc., and those are just the ones available in mono-white.
The only check on the insanity is that you want most of your cards to be the spell that Thrumming Stone is going to find in your library, so you can only have a few winners. My personal favourite is \[\[Oltec, Matterweaver\]\] + \[\[Mirror Box\]\], because if you're going to get stupid, you might as well get \*really\* stupid.
Thats a cool combination you've assembled.
Still think you're better of with Oketra winnies if you want to win more games.
If you just wanna do the cool shit, 100% go this route
> But technically, you're correct, sir
Which is the best form of correct. ;-)
I dunnoh though. They seem pretty helpful for getting \[\[The One Ring\]\], \[\[Horn of Gondor\]\], \[\[Thousand Moons Smithy\]\], \[\[The Circle of Loyalty\]\], \[\[Chimil, the Inner Sun\]\] (which gives you another shot at thrumming stone), \[\[Avacyn's Memorial\]\], \[\[Graaz, Unstoppable Juggernaught\]\], \[\[Akroma's Memorial\]\], \[\[Mindslaver\]\],...
Its just a different winnies deck than regular winnies. But you're right, there could be something in there to mess around.
Still think it's on the weaker side, but Who knows!
I'm confused on why Oketra is here, but yeah Thrumming Stone with "A deck can have any number of cards named \_\_\_\_\_\_" is a combo so long as you have a critical mass of those spells so you hit your Ripples.
you've already got 30+ 3/1s with Vigilance out, what do you need all the 4/4s for?
go to combat and dump your mana into your Templar Knights to fetch a bunch of anthems instead
Another thing that works REALLY well with Oketra are all the white "when this ETB, bounce a creature" cards (kor skyfisher, whitemane lion, etc.).
Here's a list I've been running for a little bit and having a ton of fun with it: [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Xxe9s-zAkUuVpivZb4ROsQ](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Xxe9s-zAkUuVpivZb4ROsQ)
Play was the same thing as cast until they errata'd the word play into cast for spells, and "in play" to battlefield so confusion like this wouldn't happen.
Lots of fun options here! Without including equipment and vehicles due to anti synergy with coming out after attacks are announce, a coupe that stand out are:
[[Akroma’s Memorial]] looks like another good target for the knights! Give them all flying before blocks are declared
[[Bontu’s Monument]] lets you drain for 1 with each creature spell casting and [[throne of the god pharaoh]] pings for each creature tapped at the end of the turn
[[Grazz unstoppable juggernaut]] gives the knights a nice p/t boost
[[paradox engine]] plus an instant would allow you to activate the knights multiple times per turn
In commander, you have 1 copy of the artifact in the deck. Getting 5 of these to stick to tutor for it sounds incredibly difficult, so unless you have a bunch of tutor effects that reliably get the artifact, you will be hardpressed to ever get this going consistently. It would be better in just a modern deck where you can run 4 copies(assuming these are all modern legal.)
At that point, you are more likely to just kill them outright with damage if they let you put that many 3 power creatures on the board uncontested. Also, you would have to hsve enough draw to support getting 5 out that quickly because every time you lose one is a new one you need to draw and cast. I just don't see getting 5 of these out that easy for them to stick.
Plenty to try in Mono-White Commander alone:
https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=oracle%3A%22Whenever+you+cast+a+creature+spell%22+commander%3AW+%28game%3Apaper%29
Thanks, I'm adopting some thrumming stones for a project I'm working on.
Templar Knight just makes me think of what I do with Magda and vehicles. Tap a bunch of'em and just put Portal to Phyrexia; parhelion II; Chimil, on the field.
Not to mention, Odric is still a commander or 99 option along with Akroma's memorial.
Not really. What's the difference between all the templars in your deck and all the templars in your deck as well as that many 4/4s? You don't lose your board to Pyroclasm but like what else does that accomplish
Very cool. I have a Dragon's Approach thrumming stone deck. It's fun once in a while, but I wouldn't spend too much on it if you don't have all these cards already.
These kinds of decks do their trick for a laugh, but you wouldn't want to bring this out for a whole night.
It does. Not sure why you’d need 120 power of 4/4’s when you already have 90 power pf 3/1’s and every single legendary artifact in your deck in play, but who am i to toot your horn. For all i know, one of your opponents has a life gain deck that usually and regularly gets to 210 life.
I've started to work on a list that makes use of \[\[Paladin Elizabeth Taggerdy\]\] to introduce Red, and leverage \[\[Impact Tremor\]\] effects so that the flood of Templar Knights off of Thrumming Stone can close out the game.
[https://www.moxfield.com/decks/EGETgWZAV0CT1dfDIFAyDg](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/EGETgWZAV0CT1dfDIFAyDg)
We did it, we broke Thrumming Stone!
(Thrumming stone has been used this way since it was released. [[Persistent Petitioners]], [[Dragons's Approach]], [[Rat Colony]] etc)
Yes, but the templars can search it up and put it directly into play. Thats what makes this more. Oketra is just there for the commander since you're casting them.
Your best case scenario is "combo" off like turn 7 or 8 and making a bunch of 3/1 and 4/4 without haste. It's fragile, slow and not even powerful once you can do it
These are going to cost a lot essentially shadow born apostles with slim to no hope of reprint. For reference apostle reached 5 dollars before they started reprinting it.
I don't really know that oketra makes sense as the commander here. She's expensive, she only gives you access to one color, and the only reward you get for producing an overwhelming board state is producing an even *more* overwhelming board state.
It's either combo, infect or damage, that's pretty much the options in commander. More consistent damage when not getting thrumming stone fits right in
That’ll take a while. These guys don’t have haste, so it’ll be two or three turns until you can activate their ability, all the while they’re vulnerable to removal. Them tutoring the stone is a nice last resort, but it shouldn’t be your first move.
The problem I see with this deck is you need the knights to get the stone, but you need the stone to cast all the knights. And even if you do it, one patch of lands/whatever and your ripple stops and no more knights.
Meanwhile [[magda]] does the same thing fetching any artifact with 5 treasure which is infinitely easier to do. And you don’t have to buy 60 knights, which if Nazgûl are any indication, could easily reach $700 in knights alone.
They are cast, yes, so the thrumming stone templars will come with the 4/4 from Oketra. Definitely could work. I love seeing all the potential commanders for the Templar Knights.
Disgusting. Maybe i should brew something then.
I would consider proxying if you're looking to test since decks like this have a tendency to get stale fairly quickly especially once they "do the thing" a few times. Grain of salt obviously, that's just my experience!
These “any number of X cards” tend to get very expensive as well.
My experience as well, and now I'm saddled with 30 persistent petitioners I'm not using.
Hi Knock knock It's everyone else's Shadowborn boring ass demon deck and rats on rats on rats relentlessly
To be fair, Dragon‘s Approach is a lot of fun because burn is burn and there is a lot of synergy burning all your opponents. I took Thrumming Stone out a long time ago, and I’m considering taking out all dragons (it’s Knollspine, Bonehoard, and Cavern-Hoard anyway) and putting in [[Lightning Shrieker]] for the flavour fun.
[Lightning Shrieker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/1/017f94bc-f7f0-4eed-9ca0-392872405f32.jpg?1601078324) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Shrieker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/345/lightning-shrieker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/017f94bc-f7f0-4eed-9ca0-392872405f32?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I’ve really enjoyed [[Davros, Dalek Creator]] at the helm of a dragons approach deck for consistent Callie even if I can’t get thrumming stone going.
[Davros, Dalek Creator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/9/59c5bd2b-cf68-4e5e-819d-53917a6c5275.jpg?1696636503) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Davros%2C%20Dalek%20Creator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/1/davros-dalek-creator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/59c5bd2b-cf68-4e5e-819d-53917a6c5275?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oh wow… Dalek sounds crazy with DA. Burn, create a creature, and draw up to three cards? Also at least Ancient Silver can be fetched for more card draw… I just don’t like the flavour (though Florian, my Commander, isn’t that much better…)
Can confirm, considered doing the Holy Trio: Cleric/Angel/Demon deck running 12-15 Shadowborn Apostles in [[Shilgengar, Sire of Famine]] but got bored just making the list and reworked it with other creatures to fill those Shadow slots.
[Shilgengar, Sire of Famine](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/e/9e6aba35-bee5-4058-a2df-d73506d225c2.jpg?1717012085) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shilgengar%2C%20Sire%20of%20Famine) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/109/shilgengar-sire-of-famine?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9e6aba35-bee5-4058-a2df-d73506d225c2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I've got sixty in a stupid jank deck with [[Sphinx of the Chimes]] and [[Search the City]].
[Sphinx of the Chimes](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/1/31a0cae5-925f-4d00-a4da-1db8bae5511b.jpg?1562784523) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sphinx%20of%20the%20Chimes) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rtr/52/sphinx-of-the-chimes?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/31a0cae5-925f-4d00-a4da-1db8bae5511b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Search the City](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9cd77575-fedc-45b1-a53b-dfed0f34c875.jpg?1562790616) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Search%20the%20City) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rtr/49/search-the-city?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9cd77575-fedc-45b1-a53b-dfed0f34c875?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I feel like search the city is one of the worst cards ever except in this specific case lol
Exactly. I remember pulling both of those cards in Return to Ravnica draft when I first got back into magic, and I've always wanted to have a use-case for them.
maybe I'm crazy but petitioners is the only one with legs or any meaningful chance of variation
Dragon's Approach is my absolute favourite deck by a mile.
My friend has Dragons approach [[indoraptor]] and it's sooooo rude lmao
Mine is with [[rielle]] and it's deceptively scary.
Ooh don't see her much. Respect
She's... wildly underrated? I think? The amount of card advantage she generates is outright unreasonable.
[rielle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/f/5f03c944-1929-4cb2-a373-d57eefa29ed1.jpg?1591228198) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rielle%2C%20the%20everwise) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/203/rielle-the-everwise?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5f03c944-1929-4cb2-a373-d57eefa29ed1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I tried that but ended up doing everything but actually casting DA. And I want to win with the burn, not the dragons or anything else. How do you win?
Well if you want to win with the burn rielle is the wrong commander. I discard dragons approach to draw more cards with Rielle off of draw/discard spells and then once I have 4 in grave cast once to get a dragon. I wrote a primer here: https://www.reddit.com/r/EDH/s/mxMj8OIP2n
You want [[Abaddon the Despoiler]] as your commander then. My buddy had a DA deck helmed by Abaddon that got very nasty very fast and won just by burning the table, dragons were just a bonus.
[[Illuna, Apex of Wishes]] is the way to go if you want to win with the burn! [[Thrumming Stone]] is your only nonland permanent in the deck, you play a bunch of instants, sorceries, lands that create creature tokens. Mutate into a token, get the Thrumming Stone for free, cast a Dragon's Approach, easy burn win
[indoraptor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/8/3826e2af-c134-4dc1-98b5-574b1bda9a98.jpg?1698988768) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=indoraptor%2C%20the%20perfect%20hybrid) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rex/15/indoraptor-the-perfect-hybrid?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3826e2af-c134-4dc1-98b5-574b1bda9a98?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
DA is good because its the only one with two built-in wincons, either you do the thing with dragons, or you just burn them
Slime also has potential mainly via commander variance
2/3 petitioners, 1/3 slimes, and then mill yourself it is the only way
Counterpoint: You are immediately disqualified from the cool kids club for playing Simic colours
cant hear you over the sound of pure value
(The sound is coming from my board, I'm in the same boat)
Thrummingstone will eventually get a reprint
You're right, I SHOULD sell the Thrumming stone! Edit: should've before 2X2 at least. Oh well!
It did already
> I would consider proxying if you're looking to test since decks like this have a tendency to get stale fairly quickly especially once they "do the thing" a few times. Grain of salt obviously, that's just my experience! I hate it. 5-6 turns into the first game with a deck and the pit of your stomach knows your will take it apart after all that work building it.
I always playtest on Cockatrice with friends for this reason. So many decks turn out to be powerful but duds on the fun scale.
Agreed in this case, the "any number of" cards always seem to be more expensive, and I get the feeling that this deck just has to scoop if *any* sort of hate piece or board wipe gets cast. Dump your Templars, oops there's a Sunfall, there goes your deck. Or any other board wipe. Or artifact removal, is playing Judith, Plague Engineer, or the worst possible interaction for you: [[The End]]. Because they're all the same card, save effort and just sleeve up a ton of off-color Basic lands. "Plains are Plains, Mountains are Templar Knights - here's the rules on a Tempar Knight."
[The End](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/1/b18402dc-c4ab-417c-92d1-5e4d9cfb840d.jpg?1693012680) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20End) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/87/the-end?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b18402dc-c4ab-417c-92d1-5e4d9cfb840d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
As a relentless rats player, this is 100% accurate.
A lot of people are missing the big picture here. You could run nothing but plains, thrumming stone, [[!Akroma's Memorial]] and like 60 something knights. Use 5 knights to find the stone, then cast a knight to thrum out all knights in your deck, use 5 more of those to find the Memorial and swing for like 150 damage. I've already tested it on moxfield, and it goes off on turn 5-6 every time unless someone removes a knight ofc. It's very corny, but it works.
That doesn't work all at once, though. The knights have to be attacking already to tutor anything out. So you'd tutor the Thrumming Stone, then next turn be able to tutor out the Memorial.
[!Akroma's Memorial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/950ee61d-0bc1-4d7b-ba68-157061aa98eb.jpg?1619404160) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Akroma%27s%20Memorial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/262/akromas-memorial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/950ee61d-0bc1-4d7b-ba68-157061aa98eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Throne of the God-Pharaoh](https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=547748) + any way to tap them all like a crewed vehicle
Warning: Thrumming Stone decks are painfully boring to play both as and against. Fun the first time it works, linear and uninteresting with basically two possible results every following game.
I'm not seeing what makes oketra good for this tbh
You just get extra 4/4s. So 2 mana, get a 4/4 token, then ripple into another Templar which is also cast giving you an extra 4/4. So for your original 2 mana, you get 12 power. Even more if you ripple into more than one Templar.
We did it boys; we filled the board with the same card and Thrumming Stone.
There is one difference, the rest of the options don't have a way to tutor up Thrumming Stone themselves.
we did it boys, we tutored a Thrumming Stone AFTER we played multiples of the same card
When a third of your deck is the same card, getting five on the board isn't that hard, and they're cheap enough that it's easy to have mana left over to both get the thrumming stone and cast one more... and which point you have 30+ copies of the card on the battlefield. Might not seem like much, but with rats, it really sucks when you can't get to that thrumming stone.
we keep winning, we spent 10 mana to get 5 3/1s I want to know what defeat tastes like
Totally, except for the part where you're spending 10 mana.
You need your five Templars to get your stone. A templar cost 2. That's 10 Mana. Quick Maffs.
That makes sense. With 30+ cards in your deck being one and a white to cast, you probably wouldn't put in any cost reducers in your deck.
There's 4 cost reducers for white creatures; perhaps 5 if you count helm of awakening. Locket of yesterday requires you to have a dead templar. Oketra monument and pearl medallion are meh-ish. The immortal sun, while actually legendary and thus kinda relevant for the deck, costs six. The probabilities for you to have one of those early enough that your five first templar + the artefact costs less than 9 is abysmal. Best you can do is turn one land sol ring pearl medallion then cast your five templars for a magnificent total of 8 mana instead of 10. Waw.
Black has a lot of ways of tutoring any card.
But tutors are not rats, massive downside
a) Black is not in Oketra's colour identity b) None of the tutors black has are for cards where "you can have any number of these in your deck"
They were referring to the fact that this card that allows any number of cards in your deck is white, which white is the color of artifact tutors and saying the other cards that allow any number in your deck don't have that. But the two main ones [[Relentless Rats]] and [[Shadowborn Apostle]] are both black cards and black has tutors that can find any card with no restrictions. Oketra is not a necessary component of breaking the cards.
[Relentless Rats](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/5/75f47b6e-9557-4853-b8d6-7602a91c59a7.jpg?1562437033) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Relentless%20Rats) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/105/relentless-rats?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/75f47b6e-9557-4853-b8d6-7602a91c59a7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Shadowborn Apostle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/e/ae7ba1de-48f9-423b-867a-22bd3f6c06c2.jpg?1673147629) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shadowborn%20Apostle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/89/shadowborn-apostle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ae7ba1de-48f9-423b-867a-22bd3f6c06c2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I encourage all relentless rats and shadowborn apostle players to load up with 30+ tutors so that when they ripple with Thrumming Stone they usually just hit a bunch of lands and tutors.
Magda and dragonsapproach?
That's a fair point... though Dragon's Approach itself doesn't tutor up Thrumming Stone. I prefer to do more degenerate "tutoring" with Dragon's Approach (https://www.moxfield.com/decks/4JVTC2k9SE6Axw0-j5\_1gw). ;-)
A friend and I were looking at [[sigarda, font of blessings]] or [[kyler, sigardian emissary]] depending on how aggressive you want to be. Green also gives you a little extra help like overrun effects or stuff like [[torens, fist of the angels]] to help you go extra wide And of course you’d want stuff [[oketra’s monument]] and [[pearl medallion]]
I already have a Torens deck, but didn’t think about him running these guys that’s a very cool idea.
Imo he’s better for the 99 of a selesnya version of the deck, I think either the card advantage or pump in the cz are better but I think he’d also be fine
##### ###### #### [sigarda, font of blessings](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/b/cba71725-d6df-44d7-a93b-934573759711.jpg?1684340854) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sigarda%2C%20font%20of%20blessings) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mat/47/sigarda-font-of-blessings?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cba71725-d6df-44d7-a93b-934573759711?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [kyler, sigardian emissary](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/2/62a78aae-598e-4f2b-a7bc-c3afc1d0d191.jpg?1637627798) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kyler%2C%20sigardian%20emissary) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mic/4/kyler-sigardian-emissary?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/62a78aae-598e-4f2b-a7bc-c3afc1d0d191?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [torens, fist of the angels](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/d/bd111dc9-b8de-4e92-a63d-75a961b2db3b.jpg?1643594440) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=torens%2C%20fist%20of%20the%20angels) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/249/torens-fist-of-the-angels?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bd111dc9-b8de-4e92-a63d-75a961b2db3b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [oketra’s monument](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/7/a7f1d5a6-bdf2-4b12-b11e-70f58b59dd80.jpg?1676318142) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oketra%27s%20Monument) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/188/oketras-monument?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a7f1d5a6-bdf2-4b12-b11e-70f58b59dd80?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [pearl medallion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/2/1225264f-b298-4b56-b208-c5da87bd6867.jpg?1717013779) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=pearl%20medallion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/294/pearl-medallion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1225264f-b298-4b56-b208-c5da87bd6867?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Seedborn muse has entered the chat
Might at well get an [[alluren]] too
[alluren](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/03b69c39-52d8-4ee6-a3f5-60899c1fe6e6.jpg?1595438020) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aluren) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/165/aluren?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/03b69c39-52d8-4ee6-a3f5-60899c1fe6e6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Literally played against a dude running templar proxies and thrumming stone yesterday. In a single turn he dropped 27 of his 40 white men on field. I had propaganda and windborne muse so he could swing once or twice at a time but it was mad annoying
Be grateful he didn't have \[\[Mirror Box\]\] out...
[Mirror Box](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/5/d507daa3-3f16-4ab1-81ea-794e5bb488fc.jpg?1654568747) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mirror%20Box) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/250/mirror-box?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d507daa3-3f16-4ab1-81ea-794e5bb488fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
“Have legs” ? It’s fine Mono-white is brutal and you have limited number of ways to get thrumming stone out. There’s more effective ways to make a giant board out there. That being said, it’s sick as hell and I encourage you to try.
The stone is legendary so the Templar Knights can tutor it
so you've already got 5 of these on the board, you're attacking with them, then aren't swinging with zombies until minimum one turn later assuming you already have oketra and a sixth knight in hand. this is rough.
I did forget about the thrumming stone being legendary, and that does make this consistent just extremely slow.
Also extremely vulnerable since you have limited ways to give your dudes haste in white. You do get t protection and clever concealment but otherwise you just lose to most good board wipes since indestructible doesn't do anything against farewell, Sunfall, deluge, and all blue wipes
Yes but cards like teferis protection and the new white spell in mh3 will help
I already said t protection helps and the new spell from MH3 doesn't help much as I already explained
You have to attack be attacking with them anyway to trigger the tutor ability. ;-) Strategy is something along the lines of "attack -> tutor thrumming stone -> find some way to cast another knight with flash -> have something in play that triggers on cast that makes the attack, or the board state in general, stupid".
I mean I would go UW. Gives you access to additional artifact tutoring, counterspell protection + blue card draw like Kindred Discovery. Stenn lets you cast your templar for 1 white, which makes it much more viable to combo earlier.
Blue also gives you a lot more ways to flash in another knight right after you tutor up the thrumming stone.
in monowhite you have enlightened tutor, oswald, inventors fair, kuldrotha forgemaster, thalias lancers, and search for glory
2 tutors, a birthing pod requiring a 4, and 2 five drops. I doubt we’re building the deck to trigger Oswald or forgemaster consistently, so that leaves 3 others (besides the guys, as has been pointed out even though that’s very slow and resource consuming)
The Knights already care about artifacts to some degree. I could see an Oswald package going pretty hard in this deck. Plus you probably want to run a bunch of rocks anyway. Def an Urza’s Saga deck
[[Enlightened Tutor]], [[Inventors' Fair]], [[Kuldotha Forgemaster]], [[Search for Glory]], and [[Thalia's Lancers]] are the main options for getting the Thrumming Stone.
##### ###### #### [Enlightened Tutor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/c/1c9675fb-1a89-420f-aea8-50e0642f549c.jpg?1675198797) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Enlightened%20Tutor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/6/enlightened-tutor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1c9675fb-1a89-420f-aea8-50e0642f549c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Inventors' Fair](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/275471e3-ded1-40ac-91ef-369dce5764d9.jpg?1576383555) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Inventors%27%20Fair) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/247/inventors-fair?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/275471e3-ded1-40ac-91ef-369dce5764d9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Kuldotha Forgemaster](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/7/c768267f-5ad2-4f4d-bbc7-6639325401c7.jpg?1599709400) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kuldotha%20Forgemaster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/266/kuldotha-forgemaster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c768267f-5ad2-4f4d-bbc7-6639325401c7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Search for Glory](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/6/b65c215d-562d-4c7c-bc9f-b1d741050158.jpg?1631046197) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Search%20for%20Glory) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/27/search-for-glory?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b65c215d-562d-4c7c-bc9f-b1d741050158?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Thalia's Lancers](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/9/9930d08d-5965-4c16-a84d-43c8ccf2ad0b.jpg?1576384015) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thalia%27s%20Lancers) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/47/thalias-lancers?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9930d08d-5965-4c16-a84d-43c8ccf2ad0b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
White is one of the better colors overall to tutor Thrumming Stone up to be honest - and even has ways to recur it for when it is destroyed if you wanna go that route. Mono White in EDH isn't in as bad of a place as it was a couple years ago which was somewhat overstated then - although this does make the newer chase white cards generally pricier. Tbh though, where it is most lacking is the ability to turn that big turn into an immediate win like you could easily with black or red involved - or even blue with extra turns. That's a big limitation.
I have 6 monowhite decks now. It can do well if you build it right, and are willing to buy a couple staples like Land Tax and Smothering Tithe
Mono White is solid now. I run GE Oketra currently and she is a blast.
I have 2 mono white at the moment (MoM and Noble Lae’zel) and they’re both very good. White has good stuff but it doesn’t have a ton of wiggle room to not run its staples/good strategies
Interestingly, [[oketra's monument]], [[kefnet's monument]], [[bontu's monument]], [[hazoret's monument]], and [[rhonas's monument]] all have a color identity of colorless, so you can include all of them in the deck (though Hazoret's monument is probably the elast usedul if you pull of the combo.)
##### ###### #### [oketra's monument](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/7/a7f1d5a6-bdf2-4b12-b11e-70f58b59dd80.jpg?1676318142) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=oketra%27s%20monument) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/188/oketras-monument?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a7f1d5a6-bdf2-4b12-b11e-70f58b59dd80?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [kefnet's monument](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/5/f5d20f0a-aa7c-4d40-acb2-2b86666afd53.jpg?1543676291) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kefnet%27s%20monument) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/231/kefnets-monument?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f5d20f0a-aa7c-4d40-acb2-2b86666afd53?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [bontu's monument](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/7/171a9a3f-6278-4921-9848-2b8459869d6c.jpg?1676318123) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=bontu%27s%20monument) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/179/bontus-monument?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/171a9a3f-6278-4921-9848-2b8459869d6c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [hazoret's monument](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/c/3c862fc4-e2fe-4fad-8bc1-a53f1fecc4de.jpg?1676318135) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=hazoret%27s%20monument) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/183/hazorets-monument?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3c862fc4-e2fe-4fad-8bc1-a53f1fecc4de?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [rhonas's monument](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/d/7d24b200-5cab-406a-a0e6-71a4d33b26fb.jpg?1592765261) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rhonas%27s%20monument) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gnt/56/rhonass-monument?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7d24b200-5cab-406a-a0e6-71a4d33b26fb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I think you're better off with \[\[Greymond\]\]. If you get the thrumming stone out it won't exactly matter if you made a bunch of 4/4s. You'll either untap and swing for the win, or get board wiped, the extra creatures won't really impact that.
Yeah Oketra doesn't seem like the best build to me. The 4/4s are... just idiots? I mean 4/4s are nice but I can't believe that they're the best thing to get out of running "oops all Templar Knights." Like I imagine you're gonna win the game with your knights by landing an [[Akroma's Memorial]] or [[Graaz, Unstoppable Juggernaut]] or whatever. Like the army of 3/1s seems like the way you're trying to win, adding 4/4s just helps you buy time with some extra blockers. But I think it just makes more sense to pick a commander that either helps you find Thrumming Stone, or helps actually turn your 3/1s into useful creatures.
[Akroma's Memorial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/950ee61d-0bc1-4d7b-ba68-157061aa98eb.jpg?1619404160) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Akroma%27s%20Memorial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/262/akromas-memorial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/950ee61d-0bc1-4d7b-ba68-157061aa98eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Graaz, Unstoppable Juggernaut](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/0/e0e73b63-17cc-4dca-abd6-728b74bc37a8.jpg?1675957233) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Graaz%2C%20Unstoppable%20Juggernaut) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/229/graaz-unstoppable-juggernaut?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e0e73b63-17cc-4dca-abd6-728b74bc37a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That’s a great idea, I completely forgot I have Greymond
[Greymond](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/7/b7848325-c46e-4e63-90d0-c9524380eb63.jpg?1692516503) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=greymond%2C%20avacyn%27s%20stalwart) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/slx/18/greymond-avacyns-stalwart?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b7848325-c46e-4e63-90d0-c9524380eb63?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Things rat players have known for years...lol. Thrumming Stone is so much fun.
Thrumming Stone has a bunch of "whenever you cast a spell" and "whenever you cast a creature spell" synergies. Obvious ones include \[\[Aetherflux Reservoir\]\], \[\[Oketra's Monument\]\], \[\[Door of Destinies\]\], \[\[Folk Hero\]\], \[\[Song of the World Soul\]\], \[\[Bygone Bishop\]\], \[\[Gandalf, White Rider\]\], \[\[Oltec, Matterweaver\]\], \[\[Leering Emblem\]\], \[\[Diamond Knight\]\], \[\[Leonin, Battlemage\]\], etc., and those are just the ones available in mono-white. The only check on the insanity is that you want most of your cards to be the spell that Thrumming Stone is going to find in your library, so you can only have a few winners. My personal favourite is \[\[Oltec, Matterweaver\]\] + \[\[Mirror Box\]\], because if you're going to get stupid, you might as well get \*really\* stupid.
##### ###### #### [Aetherflux Reservoir](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/6/96b6b2e1-c3e6-464c-8a13-b15deb34e862.jpg?1576382939) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aetherflux%20Reservoir) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/192/aetherflux-reservoir?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/96b6b2e1-c3e6-464c-8a13-b15deb34e862?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Oketra's Monument](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/7/a7f1d5a6-bdf2-4b12-b11e-70f58b59dd80.jpg?1676318142) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oketra%27s%20Monument) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/188/oketras-monument?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a7f1d5a6-bdf2-4b12-b11e-70f58b59dd80?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Door of Destinies](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/5/75fd3fea-158a-4575-84a8-879ee9404242.jpg?1562612984) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Door%20of%20Destinies) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/208/door-of-destinies?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/75fd3fea-158a-4575-84a8-879ee9404242?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Folk Hero](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/8/a8b3aae8-fc36-45ed-84ed-efb8f543cada.jpg?1674140702) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Folk%20Hero) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/650/folk-hero?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a8b3aae8-fc36-45ed-84ed-efb8f543cada?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Song of the World Soul](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bb73ec0d-f582-4f74-9b5c-180fe3aedcf6.jpg?1568003387) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Song%20of%20the%20Worldsoul) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/6/song-of-the-worldsoul?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bb73ec0d-f582-4f74-9b5c-180fe3aedcf6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Bygone Bishop](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/f/cf879fc7-9f84-40a7-a7be-9cc98a720af5.jpg?1674141058) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bygone%20Bishop) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/689/bygone-bishop?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cf879fc7-9f84-40a7-a7be-9cc98a720af5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Gandalf, White Rider](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/4/b422ce26-06fb-4748-9c01-32c4be914a77.jpg?1687424784) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gandalf%2C%20White%20Rider) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/290/gandalf-white-rider?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b422ce26-06fb-4748-9c01-32c4be914a77?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Oltec, Matterweaver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/4/f4f2a818-9fd1-41db-967e-7d2c9b4e4c2f.jpg?1712352701) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oltec%20Matterweaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/big/3/oltec-matterweaver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f4f2a818-9fd1-41db-967e-7d2c9b4e4c2f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Leering Emblem](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/8/d81bcabd-7bbe-463c-a35a-992c12c4e4bf.jpg?1562940698) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Leering%20Emblem) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eve/171/leering-emblem?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d81bcabd-7bbe-463c-a35a-992c12c4e4bf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Diamond Knight](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/e/eeab4819-dd26-4f5c-8538-50f2caca292d.jpg?1592517621) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Diamond%20Knight) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/224/diamond-knight?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eeab4819-dd26-4f5c-8538-50f2caca292d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Leonin, Battlemage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/2/02c14e05-8c50-44de-8cd4-5b3a11ecdb30.jpg?1562635164) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Leonin%20Battlemage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dst/5/leonin-battlemage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/02c14e05-8c50-44de-8cd4-5b3a11ecdb30?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Mirror Box](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/5/d507daa3-3f16-4ab1-81ea-794e5bb488fc.jpg?1654568747) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mirror%20Box) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/250/mirror-box?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d507daa3-3f16-4ab1-81ea-794e5bb488fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Thats a cool combination you've assembled. Still think you're better of with Oketra winnies if you want to win more games. If you just wanna do the cool shit, 100% go this route
Aren't these guys effectively Oketra winnies?
Well, they're rlly bad winnies that wont help much if the thrumming stone plan goes south... lol But technically, you're correct, sir
> But technically, you're correct, sir Which is the best form of correct. ;-) I dunnoh though. They seem pretty helpful for getting \[\[The One Ring\]\], \[\[Horn of Gondor\]\], \[\[Thousand Moons Smithy\]\], \[\[The Circle of Loyalty\]\], \[\[Chimil, the Inner Sun\]\] (which gives you another shot at thrumming stone), \[\[Avacyn's Memorial\]\], \[\[Graaz, Unstoppable Juggernaught\]\], \[\[Akroma's Memorial\]\], \[\[Mindslaver\]\],...
Its just a different winnies deck than regular winnies. But you're right, there could be something in there to mess around. Still think it's on the weaker side, but Who knows!
It definitely doesn't feel like cEDH at first glance (though maybe?).
##### ###### #### [The One Ring](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/5/d5806e68-1054-458e-866d-1f2470f682b2.jpg?1715080486) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20One%20Ring) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/246/the-one-ring?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d5806e68-1054-458e-866d-1f2470f682b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Horn of Gondor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/1/b14eaeec-d7ce-462a-90d3-2ae5ff605fdb.jpg?1686970170) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Horn%20of%20Gondor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/240/horn-of-gondor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b14eaeec-d7ce-462a-90d3-2ae5ff605fdb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Thousand Moons Smithy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/a/4a6bec46-1acd-4726-b8d9-3045ac6a2ea2.jpg?1699043447)/[Barracks of the Thousand](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/4/a/4a6bec46-1acd-4726-b8d9-3045ac6a2ea2.jpg?1699043447) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thousand%20Moons%20Smithy%20//%20Barracks%20of%20the%20Thousand) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/39/thousand-moons-smithy-barracks-of-the-thousand?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4a6bec46-1acd-4726-b8d9-3045ac6a2ea2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [The Circle of Loyalty](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/1/81910ade-a742-4ed7-ab15-bca95850f8b5.jpg?1673305053) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Circle%20of%20Loyalty) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/98/the-circle-of-loyalty?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/81910ade-a742-4ed7-ab15-bca95850f8b5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Chimil, the Inner Sun](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/27a1bfb5-ddfc-49cf-baa3-5d1958d2067a.jpg?1699044596) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chimil%2C%20the%20Inner%20Sun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/249/chimil-the-inner-sun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/27a1bfb5-ddfc-49cf-baa3-5d1958d2067a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Avacyn's Memorial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/8/c8134a08-4c7f-419e-940d-95bc9f630ae2.jpg?1637628619) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Avacyn%27s%20Memorial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mic/31/avacyns-memorial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c8134a08-4c7f-419e-940d-95bc9f630ae2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Graaz, Unstoppable Juggernaught](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/0/e0e73b63-17cc-4dca-abd6-728b74bc37a8.jpg?1675957233) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Graaz%2C%20Unstoppable%20Juggernaut) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/229/graaz-unstoppable-juggernaut?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e0e73b63-17cc-4dca-abd6-728b74bc37a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Akroma's Memorial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/950ee61d-0bc1-4d7b-ba68-157061aa98eb.jpg?1619404160) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Akroma%27s%20Memorial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/262/akromas-memorial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/950ee61d-0bc1-4d7b-ba68-157061aa98eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Mindslaver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/0/00d03b17-75ae-40d2-8570-b219ef0dfd4a.jpg?1562813960) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mindslaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/som/176/mindslaver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/00d03b17-75ae-40d2-8570-b219ef0dfd4a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You’d think Oketra would have Reach. Or should at least with that big-ass bow
Double strike doesn't even make sense, he only has one arrow knocked.
I'm confused on why Oketra is here, but yeah Thrumming Stone with "A deck can have any number of cards named \_\_\_\_\_\_" is a combo so long as you have a critical mass of those spells so you hit your Ripples.
You're casting the thumming stone hits, so it makes 4/4 and the templars.
you've already got 30+ 3/1s with Vigilance out, what do you need all the 4/4s for? go to combat and dump your mana into your Templar Knights to fetch a bunch of anthems instead
I can see why Vexing Bauble comes SI.
Another thing that works REALLY well with Oketra are all the white "when this ETB, bounce a creature" cards (kor skyfisher, whitemane lion, etc.). Here's a list I've been running for a little bit and having a ton of fun with it: [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Xxe9s-zAkUuVpivZb4ROsQ](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Xxe9s-zAkUuVpivZb4ROsQ)
[[Iroas]] may be better, those Templars look pretty fragile.
[Iroas](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/4/b4036bb7-835d-4690-aca1-1ab566776e9a.jpg?1562415955) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=iroas%2C%20god%20of%20victory) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/205/iroas-god-of-victory?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b4036bb7-835d-4690-aca1-1ab566776e9a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I went with [[goldbug humanities ally]] for the same reason and blue gives me access to [[herald of hoofbeats]]
[goldbug humanities ally](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/e/8e4a8db9-ef57-4ea0-952c-1e5d343fb5d9.jpg?1674092900)/[Goldbug, Scrappy Scout](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/8/e/8e4a8db9-ef57-4ea0-952c-1e5d343fb5d9.jpg?1674092900) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Goldbug%2C%20Humanity%27s%20Ally%20//%20Goldbug%2C%20Scrappy%20Scout) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bot/11/goldbug-humanitys-ally-goldbug-scrappy-scout?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8e4a8db9-ef57-4ea0-952c-1e5d343fb5d9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [herald of hoofbeats](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/b/7beebc99-b027-49e2-95ad-e51ce302457f.jpg?1682207393) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=herald%20of%20hoofbeats) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/22/herald-of-hoofbeats?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7beebc99-b027-49e2-95ad-e51ce302457f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It never occured to me that Thrumming Stone was legendary
You could just stop at templar/thrumming stone
Doesn't [[Thrumming Stone]] say play instead of cast? That might be meaningful, better check oracle.
Don't mind it, I've checked and oracle text is "cast".
Even if, play implies both playing lands and casting spells.
Play was the same thing as cast until they errata'd the word play into cast for spells, and "in play" to battlefield so confusion like this wouldn't happen.
[Thrumming Stone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/14adc0af-de61-4872-916c-3cf480dece46.jpg?1673149437) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thrumming%20Stone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/315/thrumming-stone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/14adc0af-de61-4872-916c-3cf480dece46?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I think this might get really hard to get going.
I like how a simple \[\[Vexing Bauble\]\] can shut down a legendary artifact.
[Vexing Bauble](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/9/29f11089-658f-42e6-aeb0-09b512ad2479.jpg?1717012919) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vexing%20Bauble) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/212/vexing-bauble?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/29f11089-658f-42e6-aeb0-09b512ad2479?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Lots of fun options here! Without including equipment and vehicles due to anti synergy with coming out after attacks are announce, a coupe that stand out are: [[Akroma’s Memorial]] looks like another good target for the knights! Give them all flying before blocks are declared [[Bontu’s Monument]] lets you drain for 1 with each creature spell casting and [[throne of the god pharaoh]] pings for each creature tapped at the end of the turn [[Grazz unstoppable juggernaut]] gives the knights a nice p/t boost [[paradox engine]] plus an instant would allow you to activate the knights multiple times per turn
paradox is banned.
##### ###### #### [Akroma’s Memorial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/950ee61d-0bc1-4d7b-ba68-157061aa98eb.jpg?1619404160) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Akroma%27s%20Memorial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/262/akromas-memorial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/950ee61d-0bc1-4d7b-ba68-157061aa98eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Bontu’s Monument](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/7/171a9a3f-6278-4921-9848-2b8459869d6c.jpg?1676318123) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bontu%27s%20Monument) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/179/bontus-monument?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/171a9a3f-6278-4921-9848-2b8459869d6c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [throne of the god pharaoh](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/e/fe402b8e-f966-4971-90a5-950d8cff5025.jpg?1543676336) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Throne%20of%20the%20God-Pharaoh) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/237/throne-of-the-god-pharaoh?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fe402b8e-f966-4971-90a5-950d8cff5025?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Grazz unstoppable juggernaut](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/0/e0e73b63-17cc-4dca-abd6-728b74bc37a8.jpg?1675957233) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Graaz%2C%20Unstoppable%20Juggernaut) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/229/graaz-unstoppable-juggernaut?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e0e73b63-17cc-4dca-abd6-728b74bc37a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [paradox engine](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/d/fd8ccd81-9e11-47fa-8e16-064c52c24506.jpg?1576382376) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=paradox%20engine) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/aer/169/paradox-engine?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fd8ccd81-9e11-47fa-8e16-064c52c24506?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I wanna do something with this
Why oketra?
In commander, you have 1 copy of the artifact in the deck. Getting 5 of these to stick to tutor for it sounds incredibly difficult, so unless you have a bunch of tutor effects that reliably get the artifact, you will be hardpressed to ever get this going consistently. It would be better in just a modern deck where you can run 4 copies(assuming these are all modern legal.)
I mean, in theory you'd have like 50-60 Templar knights. It can't be too hard to get 5 out, lol
At that point, you are more likely to just kill them outright with damage if they let you put that many 3 power creatures on the board uncontested. Also, you would have to hsve enough draw to support getting 5 out that quickly because every time you lose one is a new one you need to draw and cast. I just don't see getting 5 of these out that easy for them to stick.
Plenty to try in Mono-White Commander alone: https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=oracle%3A%22Whenever+you+cast+a+creature+spell%22+commander%3AW+%28game%3Apaper%29
Thanks, I'm adopting some thrumming stones for a project I'm working on. Templar Knight just makes me think of what I do with Magda and vehicles. Tap a bunch of'em and just put Portal to Phyrexia; parhelion II; Chimil, on the field. Not to mention, Odric is still a commander or 99 option along with Akroma's memorial.
Thrumming Stone is probably an auto-include with Templar Knight, but it will rarely be what you want to tutor out.
God I wanna make this deck now, probably 50 Templar and abunch of legendary artifacts
it is a pretty big setup but sure, it is a neat synergy.
Not really. What's the difference between all the templars in your deck and all the templars in your deck as well as that many 4/4s? You don't lose your board to Pyroclasm but like what else does that accomplish
Those templars are gonna be pricey huh
Very cool. I have a Dragon's Approach thrumming stone deck. It's fun once in a while, but I wouldn't spend too much on it if you don't have all these cards already. These kinds of decks do their trick for a laugh, but you wouldn't want to bring this out for a whole night.
Guys we did it, we finally broke Thrumming Stone
Needs haste or you just asking to eat a wrath before you untap with that army.
It does. Not sure why you’d need 120 power of 4/4’s when you already have 90 power pf 3/1’s and every single legendary artifact in your deck in play, but who am i to toot your horn. For all i know, one of your opponents has a life gain deck that usually and regularly gets to 210 life.
I've started to work on a list that makes use of \[\[Paladin Elizabeth Taggerdy\]\] to introduce Red, and leverage \[\[Impact Tremor\]\] effects so that the flood of Templar Knights off of Thrumming Stone can close out the game. [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/EGETgWZAV0CT1dfDIFAyDg](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/EGETgWZAV0CT1dfDIFAyDg)
[Paladin Elizabeth Taggerdy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/2/a24fd14b-cfd1-43db-b155-3187a1063d92.jpg?1708742599) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Paladin%20Elizabeth%20Taggerdy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pip/114/paladin-elizabeth-taggerdy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a24fd14b-cfd1-43db-b155-3187a1063d92?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Impact Tremor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/6/46db3811-db1d-4f69-8143-a93f64d0297b.jpg?1682209381) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Impact%20Tremors) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/285/impact-tremors?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/46db3811-db1d-4f69-8143-a93f64d0297b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This seems strictly worse than: \[\[Slime Against Humanity\]\], \[\[Thrumming Stone\]\] + literally any haste enabler.
[Slime Against Humanity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/e/1eb21318-d32e-4724-8908-c0d7613de2f4.jpg?1706242086) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Slime%20Against%20Humanity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/177/slime-against-humanity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1eb21318-d32e-4724-8908-c0d7613de2f4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Thrumming Stone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/14adc0af-de61-4872-916c-3cf480dece46.jpg?1673149437) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thrumming%20Stone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/315/thrumming-stone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/14adc0af-de61-4872-916c-3cf480dece46?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
White shadow born apostles!!
We did it, we broke Thrumming Stone! (Thrumming stone has been used this way since it was released. [[Persistent Petitioners]], [[Dragons's Approach]], [[Rat Colony]] etc)
[Persistent Petitioners](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/27be522d-bdef-4a95-a405-98247c58b71a.jpg?1702429407) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Persistent%20Petitioners) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/53/persistent-petitioners?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/27be522d-bdef-4a95-a405-98247c58b71a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Dragons's Approach](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/c/0cb504a0-1dfb-49d0-84c3-7bd318d55481.jpg?1624591696) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dragon%27s%20Approach) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/97/dragons-approach?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0cb504a0-1dfb-49d0-84c3-7bd318d55481?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Rat Colony](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/f/4f618e07-f06f-45d2-8512-e6cef88c0434.jpg?1562735454) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rat%20Colony) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dom/101/rat-colony?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4f618e07-f06f-45d2-8512-e6cef88c0434?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yes, but the templars can search it up and put it directly into play. Thats what makes this more. Oketra is just there for the commander since you're casting them.
Your best case scenario is "combo" off like turn 7 or 8 and making a bunch of 3/1 and 4/4 without haste. It's fragile, slow and not even powerful once you can do it
These are going to cost a lot essentially shadow born apostles with slim to no hope of reprint. For reference apostle reached 5 dollars before they started reprinting it.
I don't really know that oketra makes sense as the commander here. She's expensive, she only gives you access to one color, and the only reward you get for producing an overwhelming board state is producing an even *more* overwhelming board state.
Some people just want to run mono white
Sure, no shade if that's what they want to do. They asked about synergy though, and while oketra does have synergy here I think it's a bit win-more.
It's either combo, infect or damage, that's pretty much the options in commander. More consistent damage when not getting thrumming stone fits right in
Mono-white commander is rough, especially for a high-cost combo like this. I’d personally go Boros at minimum for artifact tutors.
The templars tutor thrumming stone?
That’ll take a while. These guys don’t have haste, so it’ll be two or three turns until you can activate their ability, all the while they’re vulnerable to removal. Them tutoring the stone is a nice last resort, but it shouldn’t be your first move.
The problem I see with this deck is you need the knights to get the stone, but you need the stone to cast all the knights. And even if you do it, one patch of lands/whatever and your ripple stops and no more knights. Meanwhile [[magda]] does the same thing fetching any artifact with 5 treasure which is infinitely easier to do. And you don’t have to buy 60 knights, which if Nazgûl are any indication, could easily reach $700 in knights alone.
Ripple casts *any* copies you hit, not just one per. So once you get going, you're pretty unlikely to fizzle.
[magda](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/7/079e6263-e54c-4899-a336-5315909b9322.jpg?1631049453) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=magda%2C%20brazen%20outlaw) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/142/magda-brazen-outlaw?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/079e6263-e54c-4899-a336-5315909b9322?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It "works" but it is very weak, like you'll lose to precons. And I don't just mean the current ones. You'll lose the precons from ten years ago