Right. Dealer can fuck off.
I take my car to the dealer for oil changes and they will usually recommend repairs needed. After that I take it to a trustworthy independent shop. If it’s outside of warranty no need to let the dealership rip you off.
This is why I don't go near dealers for routine maintenance. This list is 90% bullshit on a 60k car. And what isn't bullshit is hugely overpriced to be reaching $2500 while replacing no major parts. What year is this car? Is it turbocharged?
On most non-turbocharged Skyactiv Mazdas the spark plug interval is 75k miles, not 60k. (Did they inspect the plugs and tell you they were corroded or worn? If so, do they have a theory about why?)
You should do a coolant flush service every 100k miles or 10 years.
You could do the cabin air and engine intake filters yourself for $30 for both parts on Amazon, and five minutes of work, even a child could do each of them. I do those once a year or so.
A brake fluid flush is a good idea if it's never been done. -- the rule for me is I do it with every brake job, so about every 50k miles, or once every two years if your brakes last longer than that.
The "engine crankcase cleaning" is 100% crap, they're gonna pour a bottle of additive in and change the oil. It certainly isn't needed at 60k miles. Or ever if you're good about doing oil changes regularly. Likewise the BG FrigiFresh service, you can buy a $15 can of it and spray it in your fresh air intake yourself in five minutes.
You can take a wire brush and baking soda paste to your battery terminals if they're showing corrosion. But if it's bad I would just get a new battery. It would cost less than this BS. (Anti corrosion pads? lol wut.) 60k miles would be a typical end of life for the (crappy) OEM battery, if you've never changed it out.
I would do the transmission fluid and probably ok to clean the MAF at 60k. Throttle body too, but it probably isn't necessary until 100k. Assuming this is a Skyactiv motor, nothing is going to be carbonized too bad at 60k miles.
I have no idea what "engine oil conditioner" is, but you don't need it if you've done oil changes every 5000-7500 miles all along with a full synthetic oil.
Most of it is overkill in the extreme except the filters, brake flush, and transmission service (which I do every 60k on mine, but that is probably overkill too really) and the oil change and tire rotation, unless your car is ten years old or older despite the low mileage, in which case the coolant flush and spark plugs might make sense.
Or *maybe* if most of those miles have been short trips and city driving, which will accumulate carbon buildup faster. Even so, I doubt it's bad. I have a 2014 3 with 165k almost flawless miles, I clean the throttle body and MAF every 50k miles or so, but it's never bad when I do. 100k is probably a safe interval for each.
Source: the two Mazdas in my driveway have 400k plus miles and 36 years between them, and I do all of these things myself. This is highway fucking robbery for $2500.
If you don't want to DIY anything (if you do YouTube is your friend, but transmission, coolant, brake flush, and throttle body/MAF cleaning are all things you probably don't want to do as a beginner), the essential stuff should cost $300-400 for trans drain and fill, $100-150 for coolant flush, $100 max for oil change, maybe $100-150 for brake fluid, and $100 if they install the two filters for you. A couple hundred more to clean the MAF and throttle body. $800 to $1200 max, and any competent local shop could do this for you at those prices. Also a pro tip, the place you bought your last set of tires will likely rotate them for free. (Never buy tires from a dealership...)
Nice comprehensive breakdown. Dealer prices are insane in general but al this extra stuff is mad. I just had my MX5 (ND 150k kilometers) serviced by a local specialist, they only do Miata's. They did the work for about 500 (full service, rear rotors and pads and fluids changed on the trans and diff). Would've cost me about 800 at the dealership.
That sounds eminently fair.
Unfortunately the business model of dealerships is to upsell things that sound fancy to people who don't know better.
I'm still cracking up at "anti-corrosion pads" for battery terminals.
I think they do exist, but it's literally just felt. It's the kind of thing at the counter of AutoZone for 2.99. I threw em on one time, didn't make a difference. But they came with the dialectric grease so I was willing to gamble.
I got a quote for some work on my ND before I went in as I want to take it on track, they quoted 900 and I just bought the parts for 400 and tools for 300. I've done the brakes myself over this weekend and will do all the fluids next weekend. They told me 5 litres (5.8l capacity in the car) of their FL22 coolant cost 100 and they only sell it in 5 litre drums.
Now I have the tools and knowledge to change my brakes if anything goes wrong on track :)
It's in a place called Gasselte in Drenthe. The shop is called 'De Cabriohoeve'. They also sell loads of parts and goodies for your miata on their website. And their prices are very reasonable.
Very nice people with obvious love for Miata's. They even offer a free loaner miat when your car's there. Which was fun cause it was an NB which I'd never driven before.
Planning on having them install the BBR 200 kit on my ND next year.
In all honesty for a Dutchie I was very liberal the word local. It's a two hour drive for me too lol. But in plenty of places two hours is nothing.
My wife and I just made a little getaway out of it. The surrounding area is really lovely so we just booked a place to stay for one night and went on some nice hikes in the area. All in all that was still cheaper than having the work (they also installed the backup cam for 200e) done at the dealer and about on par with other local shops in my actual vicinity.
So all in all not a bad deal at all. Just for a normal service it'd be cheaper to go to an independent shop that you trust but if you need any mods installed or larger maintenance done it's probably worth the trip.
You’re absolutely right a crankcase cleaning is just adding some shit in there and letting it run. Dealer I’m at doesn’t do it thankfully I see it a lot on here and it sounds like some bullshit
Absolutely bullshit. I worked for Mazda as a tech for 2.5 years, been doing this almost 6 years otherwise...the amount of times in my life I've done a crankcase cleaning on a vehicle was once, and that was because the customer ran the engine down to only a quart of oil in the system in an engine that takes over 5 quarts. Drained old oil and changed filter, filled system with new oil and crankcase cleaner, ran for 15 minutes, drained oil, changed filter again and refilled. Literally the only time I did it and it was actually needed.
So…the customer was basically on track to run his engine completely out of oil? How do you even do this? I guess just never ever ever change it? Crazy to me how some people treat their cars.
Agree on nearly all points except the cabin filter, replaced my daughters on her 2013 Mazda 3 GX and what a stupid setup, I struggled to get those damn things in and to stack properly, easily the hardest time I’ve had on any of the vehicles I’ve done.
Ah, it got much much easier in the 3d generation cars, 2014 and up. I forgot what a pain in the ass it was on the Gen 2s! On my 2014 it's literally one minute.
Yea my ‘14 Honda odyssey, super simple, the ‘03 protege es doesn’t have one, even my ‘99 Silverado was straight forward. Haven’t done my ‘21 Durango yet but that ‘13 Mazda…. I thought I was losing it, like am I fucking stupid or what
This is all really spot on. The throttle plate cleaning is actually pretty straightforward, transmission service is good at this mileage. Brake flush if you haven't done one yet is also a good idea.
MAF and throttle body cleaning are pretty simple, I'd put them in the beginner category assuming they have nitrite gloves and a screwdriver. So long as they don't cut corners to save time it shouldn't harm anything to do it every 60k miles. This is just me but I drive mostly short trips and in a city, so I'm looking to clean mine early.
I took my cx5 in for the 60k service and they recommended an additional $3k worth of services, which was not necessary! They’ll always try to push more service because it’s money for them!
I have trust issues. After having the feeling they try to just add to the bill without a proper need, I could no longer have enough trust in them. Good for you you can!
I typically try to only suggest a couple things if I see the car is well taken care of in the history I’ll mention it in my videos “maybe next time we can consider doing >whatever the suggestion may be< but I never throw it all at the customer at once. Plus this place sounds like a bunch of douchebags, who the hell suggest a throttle body cleaning without any customer complaints? This is a real shitty shop giving a customer all those mileage suggestions
Coming from a Mazda technician this tech is having a shitty week from the looks of it. Yes there’s a few services you should do at 60,000 miles but this is nuts and a shit ton of upsell. At this point go by owners manual
Oil change and tire rotation. If it has never been done consider a brake flush. Typically suggested to do the transmission service on these cars at 60k. As for right now that’s all I’d really suggest engine and cabin air filters just do yourself it’s not hard at all if you need help you can message me and I’ll walk you through it if you can’t find a video it really is a money saver. Everything else feels like a heavy upsell
WOW ... just WOW. Most of that "service" is "recommended" and defintiely not required. The only important items look to be the oil and auto tranny fluid changes.
If you are a wrencher they can be done easily, at home, for less than $100.
The auto tranny fluid change is a scam too, it's not needed at 60K miles. Most modern automatic transmissions don't need it at all, I traded in a Toyota Camry with 300,000 miles on it and it was still on the original transmission fluid and working perfectly.
Girlfriend works at a Mazda dealer as a parts manager. She suggests oil change, cabin and engine air filter, brake fluid flush (if you haven't done it yet), transmission service (also if you haven't done it yet), spark plugs (if you have a turbocharged vehicle, otherwise you can wait), and coolant flush (also if you haven't done it). 60K at her dealership is $8-900. Minimum we'd suggest is oil change and replacement of filters, unless you did both recently, everything else can wait. Their 60K service acts like you dont take care of your car.
I wouldn't call a brake fluid flush useless, especially at that mileage. Transmission oil isn't a lifetime fluid like most manufacturers claim and coolant deteriorates over time, losing its ability to effectively cool an engine and keeping the engine from freezing. It's preventative maintenance, doing things when they "need" it will already be too late.
As far as the spark plugs it does say change at 60k miles in the manual but isn't that too soon? I read they have iridium plugs. Don't they last 100k miles or more?
You only need to do the brake fluid exchange, oil change, ATF(while they say the fluid is lifetime it’s still best practice to replace it to extend the life of the transmission), tire rotation, coolant(it’s a very good idea but can wait), cabin air filter, and spark plugs(if the vehicle is running rough or misfiring) Everything else is BS.
Never go to a Dealership, always look around for 2-3 reputable Indy shops and get estimates.
Don’t need any of that crap at 60k except oil change and new air filter. Don’t forget cabin air filter.
I’d say put some money away because that’s more of an 80-100k service they’re listing. Also, go to a Indy shop, gonna be half that price. 🤷♂️
There are a few very trustworthy dealers. The rest are absolute trash, no in between. They prey on people who don’t understand how cars work and mark things up 500%. I’d suggest people watch some YouTube videos on simple maintenance procedures, not to actually do the job themselves but rather so they could see what’s actually involved. Then they could get as pissed as I do when I read about insane, scummy service department fees.
Lol, even if you needed all these services (you don't), a dealer shouldn't be charging more than $700-800 for this. The actual dealer cost (labor and parts) is probably about $300 for all of these items.
Eh, this is why I learn to work on my own car. The only thing I’d have them doing on this entire list is change the transmission fluid. Maybe the brake fluid if ABS requires dealer tools to bleed the module. Definitely don’t let them do the crankcase “cleaning”, that doesn’t really do anything for you.
Super Easy to do as a DIY. Could do this in one day in my garage. All of this is on YouTube.. $2500 is a ton of money but then they are doing all the work.
lol did they really say platinum fuel induction? What a joke. Go to a trusted auto shop, tell them nothing and have them check the car out. Don’t get taken.
Most of that is BS. I would consider transmission fluid drain and fill. The manual won’t call for it but you’re at the perfect amount of miles to do it. No matter they try to say there is not such thing as lifetime fluid. Unless you’re ok with a shortened lifetime for your car.
Direct injection engines benefit a lot from major fuel services only because of the carbon build up that they naturally produce. If you notice reduced fuel economy or rough idle 9/10 it'll be carbon build up. It can even lead to pre ignition or knocking which will kill your engine. I know BG offers MOA as well that is an oil additive, they'll pay up to like 5k if your engine fails and if you use it every oil change. With that being said, with 60k miles you're probably fine. I just wouldn't totally believe the comments that the dealer is trying to rip you off. Look in your owners manual and find the recommended service intervals for said services. Cars are cheaper to maintain then they are to repair, and I hate to say it, but the engineers are pretty good at setting intervals because they've done the r&d. Like others have said, you can do a lot of this at home if you feel like being hands on.
1) don’t use an oil additive, use a better oil like Mobil 1 and change it at 5000 miles;
2) don’t let them mess around with your MAF sensor unless the car is throwing codes or running poorly, that’s like a $200 part and undoubtedly it’s doing just fine. And when it needs it someday the spray cleaner costs about $8 for a can and the MAF is one of the easiest things to get at under the hood;
3) you can change your spark plugs if you want, but in my 2016 CX-5 with probably the same 2.0L engine (may she rest in peace, that poor car got T boned over the winter) I put off the plugs to over 120K miles and when I pulled them out I seriously could’ve cleaned them off with gas and a rag and passed them off as brand new. Gap hadn’t drifted by so much as 0.001; my instinct is to say they’re probably fine;
4) don’t pay anybody to change your cabin filter, it’s a 5 minute job. I talked a 26 year old girl at my work thru it by text messages once. No tools required and it’s a good excuse to clean out your glovebox 😂
Honestly the only things on there I would keep would be the oil change, the brake fluid flush & fill, the coolant, and the transmission fluid. At my independent mechanic I would expect to walk out the door with those done for about $400, tops.
I have a cpo Mazda 3 2020 awd preferred. I bought it with 28.9k miles drove a lot over a few months long commute and used it to move across the country. When I got to my new state it was at 39k miles and I took it into a dealer for oil change and tire rotation Dude comes back and goes we recommend transmission fluid change, rear diff, and transfer case fluid change like 800$ and I was like are you mad maybe at 60k miles but this was certified by Mazda like 4 months ago then he said we reccomend that services every 25-30k I couldn’t believe the upsell he was trying to make on a car that it’s whole life was maintained at a Mazda dealer as it was a lease then certified a few month prior to this. Also manual does not recommend that every 30k miles lol
Funny how the dealer has all the perform/replace stuff highlighted…. Thats what they make their money on. They are only going off recommendations from manufacturers maintenance guides based on mileage. Where routine maintenance is good and affordable, but most routine maintenance can be done by yourself or a friend with knowledge. Plugs, wires/or coils, air filter, tire rotation, oil change,… save yourself some money. But if you have an automatic transmission with low mileage keep it serviced. If you get high mileage and never serviced it then don’t service it. Coolant flushes are good to have done. I have 230k miles on my Acura Tsx bought brand new in 2008 premium gas always and synthetic oil. Only thing I have had to do mechanical is had the timing done based on mileage, a power steering pump, a starter, 2 batteries, and new suspension..Everything else has been routine and it don’t make a single tick. Just have to take care of your car, if it seems like it’s time or feels wrong, fix it before it goes bad.
Couldn't find the exact year/ milage of your Mazda3, assuming it's near the 60k mark. But if that 60k was all short trips and/or over 6+ years then some those items wouldn't be bad to do from time and/or harsher running condition perspective.
Most of these items aren't BS (engine oil conditioner may be, I'm not sure what it is but it seems like some bogus additive, and the crank case service would be utter overkill unless the engine was run with no oil or never changed from new). I just listened to a guy grumble to himself for MINUTES under his breath about the dealership trying to "swindle money from him" after he insisted his air filter lasts two services, but it had been 2 years since he last brought in his vehicle and his air filter was visibly sooty and filled with junk. Not knowing anything about car maintenance can take both the form of accepting unnecessary service AND refusing necessary maintenance. But regardless of whether those services are needed on your vehicle the price *absolutely* is bogus.
At bare minimum go to a different mazda dealership and get a second opinion on what's actually necessary. As plenty have stated the vast majority of those services can be done at home, and at the beginner level. YouTube tutorials are your friend here. If you don't want to or you'd like someone to check your work the first time I'd ask a friend who does work on their car to go there (and bring pizza as payment). So long as you get the parts and cleaners ahead of time you can knock out a majority of these in one afternoon. Even if you're starting from scratch and have to buy yourself tools the cost is mind bogglingly less than that.
I have an M5 . Took it in for a recall shortly after I bought it. Got the same list. Mine was $3500. I think I paid $1500 with my mechanic doing most of the work.
Plugs and fluids are important things to replace when the manufacturer recommends, usually more often is better for trans.
These services are mostly dealer recommended preventive maintenance items which are never necessary but may aid in prolonging the life of relevant systems. It's like extra credit. Many come with an extended warranty from the provider of the fluid additives and such, such as BG. There is absolutely some value in that.
I am a career master tech and we do sell BG services at my shop. It's not entirely the wasteful snake oil these youtube guys always seem to claim it is. It is expensive and the benefits are practically never observed. Do your own research on what these products do, how effective they are, and what kind of protection plan they may come with. Check out the BG MOA ball bearing demonstration for example if you can find it. I am a big proponent of the engine flush or "crankcase cleaning service" and generally do it every few oil changes on personal vehicles. My cost is trivial with employee discount and my own free labor. I run MOA for every oil change and would always recommend it. The services are always expensive, but I would dare to say almost never a complete waste. The BG warranty is also very good - usually instant approval with no hassle as long as proof is present that their service schedule was followed.
Get out of the dealership. Most expensive place to have a car worked on and they cut corners wherever they can.
Take that list to local independent shop and get a second estimate.
What a scam, if you’re really worried about your car’s condition, then go somewhere else
Right. Dealer can fuck off. I take my car to the dealer for oil changes and they will usually recommend repairs needed. After that I take it to a trustworthy independent shop. If it’s outside of warranty no need to let the dealership rip you off.
Even inside of a warranty. You are not required to have a dealer do your service to maintain the warranty.
Yea, that's way too much for a 60k mile service. Go to a reputable independent mechanic
This is why I don't go near dealers for routine maintenance. This list is 90% bullshit on a 60k car. And what isn't bullshit is hugely overpriced to be reaching $2500 while replacing no major parts. What year is this car? Is it turbocharged? On most non-turbocharged Skyactiv Mazdas the spark plug interval is 75k miles, not 60k. (Did they inspect the plugs and tell you they were corroded or worn? If so, do they have a theory about why?) You should do a coolant flush service every 100k miles or 10 years. You could do the cabin air and engine intake filters yourself for $30 for both parts on Amazon, and five minutes of work, even a child could do each of them. I do those once a year or so. A brake fluid flush is a good idea if it's never been done. -- the rule for me is I do it with every brake job, so about every 50k miles, or once every two years if your brakes last longer than that. The "engine crankcase cleaning" is 100% crap, they're gonna pour a bottle of additive in and change the oil. It certainly isn't needed at 60k miles. Or ever if you're good about doing oil changes regularly. Likewise the BG FrigiFresh service, you can buy a $15 can of it and spray it in your fresh air intake yourself in five minutes. You can take a wire brush and baking soda paste to your battery terminals if they're showing corrosion. But if it's bad I would just get a new battery. It would cost less than this BS. (Anti corrosion pads? lol wut.) 60k miles would be a typical end of life for the (crappy) OEM battery, if you've never changed it out. I would do the transmission fluid and probably ok to clean the MAF at 60k. Throttle body too, but it probably isn't necessary until 100k. Assuming this is a Skyactiv motor, nothing is going to be carbonized too bad at 60k miles. I have no idea what "engine oil conditioner" is, but you don't need it if you've done oil changes every 5000-7500 miles all along with a full synthetic oil. Most of it is overkill in the extreme except the filters, brake flush, and transmission service (which I do every 60k on mine, but that is probably overkill too really) and the oil change and tire rotation, unless your car is ten years old or older despite the low mileage, in which case the coolant flush and spark plugs might make sense. Or *maybe* if most of those miles have been short trips and city driving, which will accumulate carbon buildup faster. Even so, I doubt it's bad. I have a 2014 3 with 165k almost flawless miles, I clean the throttle body and MAF every 50k miles or so, but it's never bad when I do. 100k is probably a safe interval for each. Source: the two Mazdas in my driveway have 400k plus miles and 36 years between them, and I do all of these things myself. This is highway fucking robbery for $2500. If you don't want to DIY anything (if you do YouTube is your friend, but transmission, coolant, brake flush, and throttle body/MAF cleaning are all things you probably don't want to do as a beginner), the essential stuff should cost $300-400 for trans drain and fill, $100-150 for coolant flush, $100 max for oil change, maybe $100-150 for brake fluid, and $100 if they install the two filters for you. A couple hundred more to clean the MAF and throttle body. $800 to $1200 max, and any competent local shop could do this for you at those prices. Also a pro tip, the place you bought your last set of tires will likely rotate them for free. (Never buy tires from a dealership...)
Nice comprehensive breakdown. Dealer prices are insane in general but al this extra stuff is mad. I just had my MX5 (ND 150k kilometers) serviced by a local specialist, they only do Miata's. They did the work for about 500 (full service, rear rotors and pads and fluids changed on the trans and diff). Would've cost me about 800 at the dealership.
That sounds eminently fair. Unfortunately the business model of dealerships is to upsell things that sound fancy to people who don't know better. I'm still cracking up at "anti-corrosion pads" for battery terminals.
I think they do exist, but it's literally just felt. It's the kind of thing at the counter of AutoZone for 2.99. I threw em on one time, didn't make a difference. But they came with the dialectric grease so I was willing to gamble.
I got a quote for some work on my ND before I went in as I want to take it on track, they quoted 900 and I just bought the parts for 400 and tools for 300. I've done the brakes myself over this weekend and will do all the fluids next weekend. They told me 5 litres (5.8l capacity in the car) of their FL22 coolant cost 100 and they only sell it in 5 litre drums. Now I have the tools and knowledge to change my brakes if anything goes wrong on track :)
This shop wouldn't happen to be in Germany would it 😅
No, Netherlands :)
Where? I'm on the border 😁 can dm if you want
It's in a place called Gasselte in Drenthe. The shop is called 'De Cabriohoeve'. They also sell loads of parts and goodies for your miata on their website. And their prices are very reasonable. Very nice people with obvious love for Miata's. They even offer a free loaner miat when your car's there. Which was fun cause it was an NB which I'd never driven before. Planning on having them install the BBR 200 kit on my ND next year.
3.5 hours, so far 😭😭😭 I'll check their website out though, thanks!
In all honesty for a Dutchie I was very liberal the word local. It's a two hour drive for me too lol. But in plenty of places two hours is nothing. My wife and I just made a little getaway out of it. The surrounding area is really lovely so we just booked a place to stay for one night and went on some nice hikes in the area. All in all that was still cheaper than having the work (they also installed the backup cam for 200e) done at the dealer and about on par with other local shops in my actual vicinity. So all in all not a bad deal at all. Just for a normal service it'd be cheaper to go to an independent shop that you trust but if you need any mods installed or larger maintenance done it's probably worth the trip.
Yea that's what I was just thinking for speciality service. That bbr gti 220 kit looks fun 👀👀👀
Sadly that's not an option on the 184 2.0l I believe. But you can maybe squeeze some juice out of it with a full exhaust and a tune.
You’re absolutely right a crankcase cleaning is just adding some shit in there and letting it run. Dealer I’m at doesn’t do it thankfully I see it a lot on here and it sounds like some bullshit
Absolutely bullshit. I worked for Mazda as a tech for 2.5 years, been doing this almost 6 years otherwise...the amount of times in my life I've done a crankcase cleaning on a vehicle was once, and that was because the customer ran the engine down to only a quart of oil in the system in an engine that takes over 5 quarts. Drained old oil and changed filter, filled system with new oil and crankcase cleaner, ran for 15 minutes, drained oil, changed filter again and refilled. Literally the only time I did it and it was actually needed.
So…the customer was basically on track to run his engine completely out of oil? How do you even do this? I guess just never ever ever change it? Crazy to me how some people treat their cars.
It's a GM ecotech problem. They consume/burn oil like crazy.
Agree on nearly all points except the cabin filter, replaced my daughters on her 2013 Mazda 3 GX and what a stupid setup, I struggled to get those damn things in and to stack properly, easily the hardest time I’ve had on any of the vehicles I’ve done.
Ah, it got much much easier in the 3d generation cars, 2014 and up. I forgot what a pain in the ass it was on the Gen 2s! On my 2014 it's literally one minute.
Yea my ‘14 Honda odyssey, super simple, the ‘03 protege es doesn’t have one, even my ‘99 Silverado was straight forward. Haven’t done my ‘21 Durango yet but that ‘13 Mazda…. I thought I was losing it, like am I fucking stupid or what
The first coolant flush is 10 years or 120,000 miles. Every 5 years or 60,000 miles after that.
This is all really spot on. The throttle plate cleaning is actually pretty straightforward, transmission service is good at this mileage. Brake flush if you haven't done one yet is also a good idea.
MAF and throttle body cleaning are pretty simple, I'd put them in the beginner category assuming they have nitrite gloves and a screwdriver. So long as they don't cut corners to save time it shouldn't harm anything to do it every 60k miles. This is just me but I drive mostly short trips and in a city, so I'm looking to clean mine early.
I agree as I do both every 50k! But really they're never very dirty. To be fair I do 80% highway driving though.
I took my cx5 in for the 60k service and they recommended an additional $3k worth of services, which was not necessary! They’ll always try to push more service because it’s money for them!
The sad thing is you know that people out there actually pay for it without questioning anything.
Those are the people I want to buy a used car from, honestly…
Lol right?
Yep! People that don’t know any better just agree to it.
Smh
I would find another one.
It’s the usual dealership that I purchased my car from and they have done all the service. I just say no!
I have trust issues. After having the feeling they try to just add to the bill without a proper need, I could no longer have enough trust in them. Good for you you can!
I typically try to only suggest a couple things if I see the car is well taken care of in the history I’ll mention it in my videos “maybe next time we can consider doing >whatever the suggestion may be< but I never throw it all at the customer at once. Plus this place sounds like a bunch of douchebags, who the hell suggest a throttle body cleaning without any customer complaints? This is a real shitty shop giving a customer all those mileage suggestions
Engine crankcase cleaning cranked me up. If your oil isn't black and looks like a morning porridge, you don't need it
Hell by the time you get there you may as well not say a word and trade it in
Mods just need to make a pinned post about stealerships. Every other day it's the same post about them asking people to spend thousands of no reason.
Coming from a Mazda technician this tech is having a shitty week from the looks of it. Yes there’s a few services you should do at 60,000 miles but this is nuts and a shit ton of upsell. At this point go by owners manual
Any recommendations on what I should do @60?
oil change and tire rotation
Oil change and tire rotation. If it has never been done consider a brake flush. Typically suggested to do the transmission service on these cars at 60k. As for right now that’s all I’d really suggest engine and cabin air filters just do yourself it’s not hard at all if you need help you can message me and I’ll walk you through it if you can’t find a video it really is a money saver. Everything else feels like a heavy upsell
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No kidding like seriously this is excessive
WOW ... just WOW. Most of that "service" is "recommended" and defintiely not required. The only important items look to be the oil and auto tranny fluid changes. If you are a wrencher they can be done easily, at home, for less than $100.
The auto tranny fluid change is a scam too, it's not needed at 60K miles. Most modern automatic transmissions don't need it at all, I traded in a Toyota Camry with 300,000 miles on it and it was still on the original transmission fluid and working perfectly.
Holy shit, just change the oil.
Take that sheet, watch all the videos on YouTube and do it yourself. What a scam.
99% of that is fluff to make it look like they are doing anything at all. There's like $500 worth of parts and labor there.
Girlfriend works at a Mazda dealer as a parts manager. She suggests oil change, cabin and engine air filter, brake fluid flush (if you haven't done it yet), transmission service (also if you haven't done it yet), spark plugs (if you have a turbocharged vehicle, otherwise you can wait), and coolant flush (also if you haven't done it). 60K at her dealership is $8-900. Minimum we'd suggest is oil change and replacement of filters, unless you did both recently, everything else can wait. Their 60K service acts like you dont take care of your car.
You don't need the brake fluid flush, that's useless. Transmission service isn't needed at that mileage, if at all. Coolant flush either.
I wouldn't call a brake fluid flush useless, especially at that mileage. Transmission oil isn't a lifetime fluid like most manufacturers claim and coolant deteriorates over time, losing its ability to effectively cool an engine and keeping the engine from freezing. It's preventative maintenance, doing things when they "need" it will already be too late.
Most of that is bullshit. Don’t go back there.
As far as the spark plugs it does say change at 60k miles in the manual but isn't that too soon? I read they have iridium plugs. Don't they last 100k miles or more?
I would recommend the dealer suck my nuts
You only need to do the brake fluid exchange, oil change, ATF(while they say the fluid is lifetime it’s still best practice to replace it to extend the life of the transmission), tire rotation, coolant(it’s a very good idea but can wait), cabin air filter, and spark plugs(if the vehicle is running rough or misfiring) Everything else is BS. Never go to a Dealership, always look around for 2-3 reputable Indy shops and get estimates.
You can do most of those items yourself.... Is there a line item/cost breakdown?
Independent service center and tell them to follow the book.
Most of that is easily done in your driveway…
Don’t need any of that crap at 60k except oil change and new air filter. Don’t forget cabin air filter. I’d say put some money away because that’s more of an 80-100k service they’re listing. Also, go to a Indy shop, gonna be half that price. 🤷♂️
I have a 2016 Mazda cx9 and I replaced my own spark plugs at 59k and when I took them out they weren’t bad at all. Could have prob gone another 40k
I would be embarrassed to give this to a client.
The hell is engine oil conditioner
I was wondering the same thing.
If maintenance costs that much, you might as well put that money towards a new vehicle.
Why use dealers instead of your local independent mechanic?
There are a few very trustworthy dealers. The rest are absolute trash, no in between. They prey on people who don’t understand how cars work and mark things up 500%. I’d suggest people watch some YouTube videos on simple maintenance procedures, not to actually do the job themselves but rather so they could see what’s actually involved. Then they could get as pissed as I do when I read about insane, scummy service department fees.
Lol, even if you needed all these services (you don't), a dealer shouldn't be charging more than $700-800 for this. The actual dealer cost (labor and parts) is probably about $300 for all of these items.
Eh, this is why I learn to work on my own car. The only thing I’d have them doing on this entire list is change the transmission fluid. Maybe the brake fluid if ABS requires dealer tools to bleed the module. Definitely don’t let them do the crankcase “cleaning”, that doesn’t really do anything for you.
WOW!! OP, half of that you can do it in your home very cheap
Super Easy to do as a DIY. Could do this in one day in my garage. All of this is on YouTube.. $2500 is a ton of money but then they are doing all the work.
lol did they really say platinum fuel induction? What a joke. Go to a trusted auto shop, tell them nothing and have them check the car out. Don’t get taken.
Are all dealerships this bad?
They all do this.. other worse than others. Just stick to the manual
Not only is it mostly bogus, it's irritating and insulting. It happens at Firestone too. I just tell them no.
Most of that is BS. I would consider transmission fluid drain and fill. The manual won’t call for it but you’re at the perfect amount of miles to do it. No matter they try to say there is not such thing as lifetime fluid. Unless you’re ok with a shortened lifetime for your car.
What a joke
Stop taking your car to the dealership.
Don’t do it
Direct injection engines benefit a lot from major fuel services only because of the carbon build up that they naturally produce. If you notice reduced fuel economy or rough idle 9/10 it'll be carbon build up. It can even lead to pre ignition or knocking which will kill your engine. I know BG offers MOA as well that is an oil additive, they'll pay up to like 5k if your engine fails and if you use it every oil change. With that being said, with 60k miles you're probably fine. I just wouldn't totally believe the comments that the dealer is trying to rip you off. Look in your owners manual and find the recommended service intervals for said services. Cars are cheaper to maintain then they are to repair, and I hate to say it, but the engineers are pretty good at setting intervals because they've done the r&d. Like others have said, you can do a lot of this at home if you feel like being hands on.
Holy shit what a ripoff
do oil change tire rotation, spark plugs air filters , and belts if cracked
1) don’t use an oil additive, use a better oil like Mobil 1 and change it at 5000 miles; 2) don’t let them mess around with your MAF sensor unless the car is throwing codes or running poorly, that’s like a $200 part and undoubtedly it’s doing just fine. And when it needs it someday the spray cleaner costs about $8 for a can and the MAF is one of the easiest things to get at under the hood; 3) you can change your spark plugs if you want, but in my 2016 CX-5 with probably the same 2.0L engine (may she rest in peace, that poor car got T boned over the winter) I put off the plugs to over 120K miles and when I pulled them out I seriously could’ve cleaned them off with gas and a rag and passed them off as brand new. Gap hadn’t drifted by so much as 0.001; my instinct is to say they’re probably fine; 4) don’t pay anybody to change your cabin filter, it’s a 5 minute job. I talked a 26 year old girl at my work thru it by text messages once. No tools required and it’s a good excuse to clean out your glovebox 😂 Honestly the only things on there I would keep would be the oil change, the brake fluid flush & fill, the coolant, and the transmission fluid. At my independent mechanic I would expect to walk out the door with those done for about $400, tops.
I have a cpo Mazda 3 2020 awd preferred. I bought it with 28.9k miles drove a lot over a few months long commute and used it to move across the country. When I got to my new state it was at 39k miles and I took it into a dealer for oil change and tire rotation Dude comes back and goes we recommend transmission fluid change, rear diff, and transfer case fluid change like 800$ and I was like are you mad maybe at 60k miles but this was certified by Mazda like 4 months ago then he said we reccomend that services every 25-30k I couldn’t believe the upsell he was trying to make on a car that it’s whole life was maintained at a Mazda dealer as it was a lease then certified a few month prior to this. Also manual does not recommend that every 30k miles lol
Is your Mazda turbocharged? Can’t imagine why else spark plugs would be changed so early
What.
Ridiculous! Go somewhere else and don't look back.
My mazda gets a once a year 40k mile oil change and that's it.
Funny how the dealer has all the perform/replace stuff highlighted…. Thats what they make their money on. They are only going off recommendations from manufacturers maintenance guides based on mileage. Where routine maintenance is good and affordable, but most routine maintenance can be done by yourself or a friend with knowledge. Plugs, wires/or coils, air filter, tire rotation, oil change,… save yourself some money. But if you have an automatic transmission with low mileage keep it serviced. If you get high mileage and never serviced it then don’t service it. Coolant flushes are good to have done. I have 230k miles on my Acura Tsx bought brand new in 2008 premium gas always and synthetic oil. Only thing I have had to do mechanical is had the timing done based on mileage, a power steering pump, a starter, 2 batteries, and new suspension..Everything else has been routine and it don’t make a single tick. Just have to take care of your car, if it seems like it’s time or feels wrong, fix it before it goes bad.
They should fix their printer first. What's with all those lines? Maybe the printer shop wants to charge them $200 for printer head cleaning.
That's the biggest bunch of crap I've seen. Find a new mechanic
Couldn't find the exact year/ milage of your Mazda3, assuming it's near the 60k mark. But if that 60k was all short trips and/or over 6+ years then some those items wouldn't be bad to do from time and/or harsher running condition perspective. Most of these items aren't BS (engine oil conditioner may be, I'm not sure what it is but it seems like some bogus additive, and the crank case service would be utter overkill unless the engine was run with no oil or never changed from new). I just listened to a guy grumble to himself for MINUTES under his breath about the dealership trying to "swindle money from him" after he insisted his air filter lasts two services, but it had been 2 years since he last brought in his vehicle and his air filter was visibly sooty and filled with junk. Not knowing anything about car maintenance can take both the form of accepting unnecessary service AND refusing necessary maintenance. But regardless of whether those services are needed on your vehicle the price *absolutely* is bogus. At bare minimum go to a different mazda dealership and get a second opinion on what's actually necessary. As plenty have stated the vast majority of those services can be done at home, and at the beginner level. YouTube tutorials are your friend here. If you don't want to or you'd like someone to check your work the first time I'd ask a friend who does work on their car to go there (and bring pizza as payment). So long as you get the parts and cleaners ahead of time you can knock out a majority of these in one afternoon. Even if you're starting from scratch and have to buy yourself tools the cost is mind bogglingly less than that.
They never tried to get me to do that at 60k miles. Battery terminal has been shitty since I bought the car in 2018(2017 Mazda 3 Sport)
If you have any hands on skill, you can probably do all this yourself for a few hundred bucks.
I have an M5 . Took it in for a recall shortly after I bought it. Got the same list. Mine was $3500. I think I paid $1500 with my mechanic doing most of the work.
That’s a Platinum Tucking for sure.
Shameful!! Never go to the dealer for anything unless you absolutely have to and for something that is under warranty.
Plugs and fluids are important things to replace when the manufacturer recommends, usually more often is better for trans. These services are mostly dealer recommended preventive maintenance items which are never necessary but may aid in prolonging the life of relevant systems. It's like extra credit. Many come with an extended warranty from the provider of the fluid additives and such, such as BG. There is absolutely some value in that. I am a career master tech and we do sell BG services at my shop. It's not entirely the wasteful snake oil these youtube guys always seem to claim it is. It is expensive and the benefits are practically never observed. Do your own research on what these products do, how effective they are, and what kind of protection plan they may come with. Check out the BG MOA ball bearing demonstration for example if you can find it. I am a big proponent of the engine flush or "crankcase cleaning service" and generally do it every few oil changes on personal vehicles. My cost is trivial with employee discount and my own free labor. I run MOA for every oil change and would always recommend it. The services are always expensive, but I would dare to say almost never a complete waste. The BG warranty is also very good - usually instant approval with no hassle as long as proof is present that their service schedule was followed.
They work on commission
lol. Seems like their labor is just to “look” for $2450
Customer declined everything and proceeds to outside shop for second opinion
Get out of the dealership. Most expensive place to have a car worked on and they cut corners wherever they can. Take that list to local independent shop and get a second estimate.
Bunch of BS. Try to find a mom/pop shop for opinion on what's actually needed