Ya'll are fuckin math whizzes. My simple brain does it like 20.95 / 10 = 2.09, then 2.09 \* 2 = 4.18 and finally 20.95 + 4.18 = 26 dollars. My brain gets tired towards the end and says fuck it.
The brain adjusts to abilities and is lazy, when you do not force it to be fast. Your way is logical, focused in dividing it in easier steps, instead of the fastest way.
This is the smartest way to do it.
You want to know the easiest way to do something? Ask the lazy/tired guy. This kind of thinking is the essence of common core math and it's way better than multiplying by 1.2.
There's an easier way to do that. By moving the decimal, you skip the need to do division (if you are in your method). $26.77 -> $2.67, for example. From there, I round up ($3) and double it. It sounds complicated, but just sliding the decimal over is super easy. Also, this works with tipping, but I didn't suggest doing this if you are an engineer lol.
There's an even easier way than this. The way I do it is I look at my bill and see the total, then I multiply that by 1 and pay the total. Works great and nobody ever complains.
...But then again, I live in Australia.
Yes because for some people these are different concepts to do in their brain. No judgement or anything, but for some people this does not come intuitively.
I am a scientist and I "move the decimal" on the regular when switching units of measure (aka dividing by factors of 1000). People's brains are wired differently, what matters is if the math is correct.
>There's an easier way to do that. By moving the decimal, you skip the need to do division (if you are in your method). $26.77 -> $2.67, for example.
That's how I would do this! I have discalculia so I always try to find tricks to calculate things like this. And then it still takes me ridiculously long to add the numbers up lol. Still pretty much looks like a foreign script to me if I look at numbers for too long, I just can't deal with it.
I do this too, with one additional step. At the end, I rounds the tip down to make the final shot charged on the card a whole number. So my tip would have been 5.05 on the above bill.
if it’s less than $100 take the first digit then double it and add 1
on a $21 bill 2*2 is 4, 4 + 1 is $5
on $85 8*2 is 16, add 1 is $17
the most you’ll end up tipping is 30% on a $10 bill
For all the shit common core got/gets, this is exactly the sort of stuff you're meant to learn in the grander scheme from it.
It shows you how to break down processes into many methods to get to the same end and allows you to infer your own ways that work best for you
I’ve been doing it this way for like 20 years.
$2 for every $10
$1 for every $5
Then I just round up to the next nearest dollar
So like on a $57 bill, I tip $12. I never even think about a calculator at all.
I just wanted to chime in and mention that 20% is 2 \* 10%. I move the decimal place over and double.
(I also rarely tip 20%. My minimum is usually rounding the amount up to nearest $10, then 20% of that. Math simpler. Employees better compensated.)
It's not simpler... 20% is easy because you just double the number and divide by 10.
43.75 and you need a 20% tip... 87.50 and divide by 10, you get 8.75.
TBF you should still do *0.20 to find out what to put on the actual tip line. *1.2 is only good for the whole total after tip. If you do *1.2 first then you’ll still need to do 25.14 - 20.95 to find out what to put on the tip line
So either way its still 2 steps, with the second step being either addition or subtraction depending on if its 0.2 or 1.2. Or alternatively both steps can be multiplication, you could just do both *1.2 and *0.2 to get both lines
Here’s my method when I tip:
Round price up to nearest dollar amount, even if its less than .50, round up (so in this case $21.00)
Simplify to 10% (just move the decimal point over 1 position) - in this case $2.10.
Now double it and round up, in this case $4.20 —> $5. Tip $5.
Tip will be slightly above 20%, and makes math super easy.
It might sound complex, but I’ve done it long enough it’s less than a second or two to figure out.
A way to calculate the current amount + 20% more, if it was 15% you could either do 1.15 like they did or do .15 and add it to the original. Just skips a step.
This is what I do. 2.09 doubled is 4.18. Although I usually just round to the nearest dollar and then move the decimal to the left and double. So $21 is 2.10, doubled 4.20. I would have put down $25.15 or $25.20.
Hold up. I'm British and been to the US a lot but still learning this tipping culture stuff....
...you're meant to use the PRE-tax amount to figure out the tip not the total? I've never heard this before. I need more people to confirm!!
>My understanding was you tip on the pretax cost, not the post tax total
Isn't this completely arbitrary when you choose the tipping % / amount yourself?
My understanding is that most restaurants only need the "total" line, anyways. The tip line is effectively a checksum or safeguard in case the total line is ambiguous or otherwise illegible.
I usually just do the math on my phone calculator, round up to the nearest dollar, then draw an arrow down through the tip line and write the total as calculated.
the only part that counts is what gets entered in the machine. The paper is just a backup in the case of a dispute. How often do you check your receipts to the charges on your statement?
That's why I find it so strange when I go to the states and the waiter asks for my card, then goes to the back God knows what he did with it and then come back. Here (up north), you bring me the machine, I input my own tip, pin number (yes, I know n stands for number) and validate the transaction myself.
I hear non-americans complain about this a lot. Been in this industry my whole life and I can't think of a single time I've seen someone do anything malicious with a card. Like, I'm sure it's happened/happens, but this isn't even remotely common.
As long as there’s a signature you can fill it in. If they write anything on the check in the tip box it’s not illegal to fill in the total it’s called math lmao
I recently moved to the US and honestly thought everyone did it like this. I’ve been doing this for two years now and this is the first time I hear it’s unusual. Also, tipping being standard here is ridiculous.
Americans like to feel they have a good deal, then they like to complain about the government taking their money through taxes, then they like to reward people, secretly they all think they’re being scammed somewhere along the line.
The restaurant check covers all four of these bases.
I'm in Europe and that actually explains why Americans are so against taxes.
When I go to a store, prices include taxes. No pressure to tip. most of my taxes are already taken from my salary, including healthcare, so I never have to "give up" that amount, I just never get it in the first place.
This drastically reduces the perceived "sacrifice" I make to the state. It also simplifies my budget.
It is really annoying that prices are given without tax, but I think a big part of the reason is that sales tax is different from city to city/county to county, so national retailers and consumer goods companies would fight a requirement to list price with tax in physical stores, and they need to know your shipping address before they can give your full price online, too.
Yeah, I don't think they realize that if I drive 15 minutes, I'm in a new tax rate. In Europe, the tax rate is the same for the whole (individual) country, I believe.
Plus, I don't always know what it is because they go up periodically.
I can't believe they make you do the math yourself. Just tell me the amount, and then I'll say what I want to pay, you put that in the machine, hey presto.
The worst is that it works like this: they bring you the bill, you give them your card, they take the bill and your card away, swipe/tap it for the original amount without tip, then they bring you the card back with that receipt where you put the gratuity, you get your card back and hand that paper back to them after you fill and sign it, you leave and they go back inside and update the amount billed in your card by that much that you wrote.
I've had tip updates taking a week to reflect in my statement. I've had tips wrongly billed (for more of course). I've had a card that I only used in one place cloned and used on the Internet.
The whole thing is a clusterfuck. And god forbid you tip less than 20% or don't tip for poor service...
>hang on, you GIVE them your card, where they can just do whatever they want with it?
>What if you want to pay using your phone?
Alot of places don't accept payments via phone. They aren't set up for it.
I have always wondered why the payment system in the USA so shit and backwards, lol.
Japan uses NFC.
Even India uses QR codes for direct bank payment through phone.
A card scanner costs way more than putting a QR code on the counter.
And to top it all off, the card doesn't have a security pin, OTP or anything to protect anything? Wtf.
It's like you guys live in the 1980s.
Our representatives and their overlords in the US are big fans of corporate welfare. Sub-minimum wage for service workers, and at the nation's #1 employer (other than the military) most of the workers require food stamps to live.
That is bullshit that people increase the tip %, because tip already scale with inflation.
15% is 15% regardless of how much or little the costs increase.
Yep. At a 10% tip rate, a server would have to serve 10 dishes in order to receive enough tip to buy one dish themself. At a 20% tip rate, a server would have to serve only 5 dishes in order to receive enough tip to buy one dish themself. This is true regardless of inflation. If you think tipping rates should increase with inflation, then taking it to the extreme, at some point the tip rate should be 100%, and a server would have to serve only 1 dish in order to receive enough tip to buy one dish themself.
UK is going that way too now.
I went to breakfast in london and they had one of those swivel screens with suggested tips on it, 5-15%.
Now it becomes standard to put in a 12.5% tip as standard in a lot of restaurants.
I'm not even gonna lie, your job it to take my order and then bring your food to me, I don't want you to check up on how I found the food, I don't need a super polite extreme service. I just want my food dude.
I'd rather even tip the chef.
Just pay your staff the fair wage.
That's most often just small trendy hip places. And it only works in London where people pay £13 for a salad bowl.
Some normal restaurants are trying this, but it will never become a thing all over the UK because there is no culture for it, and a few hip places getting away with it in London are not enough to start a tipping culture.
I always just select 0% and no one bats an eye because thank god it never became a societal expectation.
I go to London regularly for work, and find it has actually gotten worse than the US in some cases.
Last time I was there I was hit with: a "mandatory" service charge of 12%, an "optional" tip, and also if I wanted to put 2 pounds extra on the bill to "support a charity of our choosing". It has gotten completely out of hand.
What makes it worse is the combination of the cost of living crisis and the already insane prices in London.
Definitely not we should be copying America in.
We know. We don't like it either. But, sadly, individuals in America have been convinced over many decades that societal problems should fall on the lay-man consumer, instead of corporations being regulated properly.
i've personally never heard anyone say 20% is now a minimum. no, 20% is what you get for great service. where are you hearing that 20% is supposed to be considered a baseline? where is that coming from?
Man, years ago I went to lunch with a bunch of work buddies. It was a Chinese buffet with a set price. Everybody threw a bunch of cash on the table to cover their meal plus a tip. I'll be damned if one guy didn't count the money up and decide that it was "too much" and took his tip out. lol You can tip too little but not too much...unless it's a stripper.
Correct, there is always a 0-tip option. I program credit card readers for a living, it's a hard-requirement in their software to have either a 0 or "other" button.
I used one the other day, that was either messed up, or the programmer was trolling lol. The other/custom option was layered under the 20% option, so there was no way to click other. I just laughed, and walked away. Left my shit there.
This is what I would have done as a New Zealander that’s never had to tip before.. is it really not normal to write a percentage? How do people know when others have only tipped a small percent - quick maths?
I mean, it’s pretty easy to tell when the bill is like $50 and the tip is $5.
Come to think of it, I’ve heard many other countries have all of their sales tax and everything included on the price tag in stores and what not. In America it’s not, so we have been trained to do % conversions pretty much every day.
I’d say most people can’t conjure an exact number on a whim, but I think most have good number sense for percentages here, at least a ball park idea.
So I guess it applies here. Most people intuitively know around what % of a bill that the tip is.
What exists in the US is not a tip culture.
It is an optional copayment of worker salary/service by the client
And it should be illegal.
In any case, the company that does that should also give me the right to pay for the consumed or not. And pay what I decide to be worth
I used to work as a server. Many of us hated the whole tipping thing and would’ve preferred to jsut get paid a flat rate. It’s why I quit, I hated having to dance like a monkey, and still get ripped because someone was having a bad day. You’d be surprised, especially older people get a kick out of their power over your wage. They were straight bullies.
However there were some (usually attractive women that played into older men’s delusions) that LOVED tipping. Because it’s a game and they automatically win lol.
This is just the place I worked at though, I was only a server that one time.
Yeah I would imagine pretty privilege plays into the tipping big time. How much were you roughly making in tips on a good day?
Where I'm from tipping isn't considered mandatory like the US but people still tip if the service is worthy of it, staff still put in the same effort regardless though you can't really do the bare minimum just because you're on a wage lol
Pretty privilege was all of it where I worked. And it did go both ways, sometimes the more appealing men would get tipped better by the ladies.
I remember on Christmas, some guy came in and tipped all the women on staff $100. I was the only guy, he told me he wouldn’t tip a man.
Actually, I had a lot of people say terrible shit to me for being a male server. Got called slurs, told I should get a real job, etc. It was insane. This was in the south though.
I really was making an abysmal wage there. My coworkers did alright.
Yeah, it lets people get away with underpaying the workers by customers deciding to not tip, and by employers for not just charging what they need to on the menu to cover an actual decent wage.
just give it a minute, all the servers will come out swinging about how it's actually an awesome system because they make bank, conveniently ignoring their non-tipped coworkers abysmal pay and the fact that their employer basically gets free labor from them at the expense of everyone else. or the folks who insist that restaurants wouldn't make any money if they had to actually pay their workers, despite the rest of the world somehow making it work just fine.
I get it, if you can make $25/hr on tips waiting tables you probably wouldn't go to bat for the group trying to get rid of that system, but it only makes sense in that context.
And in many places cooks don't even get a share of the tips, when (at least for me) they do the most important part of the restaurant. If it was for me I would just list the dishes I want myself, get up and deliver it to the kitchen and then go get my dish when it's ready.
Idk man have u checked out r/americabad bros think any criticism of america is out of line, but fail to realise instead of getting defensive about what criticism people give, they could put that energy into addressing the issues. Same goes for every country.
can someone from US explain to me this thing
We got a culture in our country where if the bill is say 18$ we would round it up to 20$ (lower standard of living so 2$ is okay tip), if its 3$ we make it 4$, everything done in cash
Way easier and you dont need change
Why do people make sure for the tip to be exactly 10 / 15 / 20?
It doesn’t need to be exactly those, those are just commonly agreed upon numbers. You can tip whatever you want. Some people do just round up to the next dollar, next $5, whatever they want. Everyone has their own personal rule set for tipping, but the point of a % is to keep it proportional to the bill, which in theory reflects how much work the server did.
However it’s not a perfect system because the server that’s carrying out 10 $10 cheeseburgers and the server that’s carrying out 1 $100 steak are both getting the same tip at 10%.
It's so crazy to me that the US still doesn't just have payment terminals. Like we've had portable debit/credit machines in canada for 20+ years. Why y'all still doing this weird pay and then write a number on a receipt and pay again thing?
And you still don't have etransfer and have all these weird apps for sending money but it charges you to do so. O.o
My conspiracy theory is that the restaurant industry wants to encourage cash transactions so that less can be claimed on taxes. Wait staff gets to keep more income, owners are given an extra reason to justify their shitty pay and can also claim less in tax.
Eating at a restaurant in the USA is like time travelling back to the summer of 69’
It's a legacy from reconstruction after slavery. The concept was ironically borrowed from Europe.
After the civil war, jobless blacks were allowed to serve food in restaurants but weren’t paid. Tips were their only compensation.
Worked in bar management for years, what's the issue? You must be new to this...
The rule is that you live and die by the total. As long as the total line amount is correct then the rest is irrelevant.
Literally only changed because automated machines can ask you for more money and ofc that's the move I guess. So many machines asking you to tip a percent based on total.
I mean fuck it, the math checks out lol
20.95*1.2=25.14
Wow … I’ve always done it like: 20.95*0.20= 4.19. 4.19+20.95= 25.14. What you’ve shown here is so much simpler. I feel… foolish lol
But your way is the way I do it cuz I can do it in my head. With the *1.2 method, I would need to bust out a calculator.
Ya'll are fuckin math whizzes. My simple brain does it like 20.95 / 10 = 2.09, then 2.09 \* 2 = 4.18 and finally 20.95 + 4.18 = 26 dollars. My brain gets tired towards the end and says fuck it.
The brain adjusts to abilities and is lazy, when you do not force it to be fast. Your way is logical, focused in dividing it in easier steps, instead of the fastest way.
Then there's my ADHD brain that learned to just move the decimal to the left and double the number. Round to the nearest dollar amount for easy total.
It's not a ADHD brain, a lot of people do it like this
Yeah, the "ADHD brain" method adds a few steps involving the King of Bahrain, a garden hose, and the 1963 Dodgers.
Why the King of Bahrain though
Get out of my head
Oh no! They're in my head too!
This is the way
Which is, ironically, often the fastest way to do math in your head
This is the smartest way to do it. You want to know the easiest way to do something? Ask the lazy/tired guy. This kind of thinking is the essence of common core math and it's way better than multiplying by 1.2.
Happy cake day!
There's an easier way to do that. By moving the decimal, you skip the need to do division (if you are in your method). $26.77 -> $2.67, for example. From there, I round up ($3) and double it. It sounds complicated, but just sliding the decimal over is super easy. Also, this works with tipping, but I didn't suggest doing this if you are an engineer lol.
There's an even easier way than this. The way I do it is I look at my bill and see the total, then I multiply that by 1 and pay the total. Works great and nobody ever complains. ...But then again, I live in Australia.
This works in nz too
I don't bother with the multiply-by-1 step. r/LifeProTips
Did you just try to explain that instead of dividing by 10 you can "just move the decimal" ... ?
That’s gold Jerry!
Yes because for some people these are different concepts to do in their brain. No judgement or anything, but for some people this does not come intuitively.
Thank you for being observant and empathetic!
I am a scientist and I "move the decimal" on the regular when switching units of measure (aka dividing by factors of 1000). People's brains are wired differently, what matters is if the math is correct.
Of course you move the decimal, that's what dividing by powers of tens is??? What else do you think people do? Long division?
>There's an easier way to do that. By moving the decimal, you skip the need to do division (if you are in your method). $26.77 -> $2.67, for example. That's how I would do this! I have discalculia so I always try to find tricks to calculate things like this. And then it still takes me ridiculously long to add the numbers up lol. Still pretty much looks like a foreign script to me if I look at numbers for too long, I just can't deal with it.
I do this too, with one additional step. At the end, I rounds the tip down to make the final shot charged on the card a whole number. So my tip would have been 5.05 on the above bill.
I do this but round up.
There's an easier way. I look at the bill and just pay the amount printed there. I live on the other side of the Atlantic, so there's that.
i do like going there. so much simpler. pay and leave no fuss
Why be exact?? ~20ish Dollars is ~4ish tip... If they were great, it's $5,
if it’s less than $100 take the first digit then double it and add 1 on a $21 bill 2*2 is 4, 4 + 1 is $5 on $85 8*2 is 16, add 1 is $17 the most you’ll end up tipping is 30% on a $10 bill
For all the shit common core got/gets, this is exactly the sort of stuff you're meant to learn in the grander scheme from it. It shows you how to break down processes into many methods to get to the same end and allows you to infer your own ways that work best for you
I feel like the people who bitch about common core are parents who weren’t good at math in the first place. At least that’s been my experience.
I'm a data scientist and that's how I have to do it... ;(
Right? Ten percent is about two dollars, means 20% is about four dollars. Four dollar tip. I'm not adding up the pennies.
Wanna flip some lids? I do it all in tenths, cause they're easy. Slide a decimal. 20% tip = 10% of bill, *2
This is the way. 10% x 2. Move the decimal to get 10%. So simple.
This is the way
I just count 2$ for every 10$. Mainly because I just prefer to round.
I’ve been doing it this way for like 20 years. $2 for every $10 $1 for every $5 Then I just round up to the next nearest dollar So like on a $57 bill, I tip $12. I never even think about a calculator at all.
I just wanted to chime in and mention that 20% is 2 \* 10%. I move the decimal place over and double. (I also rarely tip 20%. My minimum is usually rounding the amount up to nearest $10, then 20% of that. Math simpler. Employees better compensated.)
This is the best way to quickly figure percentages and I will die on this hill
It's not simpler... 20% is easy because you just double the number and divide by 10. 43.75 and you need a 20% tip... 87.50 and divide by 10, you get 8.75.
I do it the other way around, I take 10% of the price, and then just double that.
TBF you should still do *0.20 to find out what to put on the actual tip line. *1.2 is only good for the whole total after tip. If you do *1.2 first then you’ll still need to do 25.14 - 20.95 to find out what to put on the tip line So either way its still 2 steps, with the second step being either addition or subtraction depending on if its 0.2 or 1.2. Or alternatively both steps can be multiplication, you could just do both *1.2 and *0.2 to get both lines
Here’s my method when I tip: Round price up to nearest dollar amount, even if its less than .50, round up (so in this case $21.00) Simplify to 10% (just move the decimal point over 1 position) - in this case $2.10. Now double it and round up, in this case $4.20 —> $5. Tip $5. Tip will be slightly above 20%, and makes math super easy. It might sound complex, but I’ve done it long enough it’s less than a second or two to figure out.
I feel like the 1.2 is a cash thing. I get a bill for 21 bucks I'm going to tip 20% I know my total is ~25 I give the server 30 and ask for 5 back.
Guys, guys, guys you’re over complicating it. Just take the first 3 digits, 2.09 and add 2.09. $4.18
... your rounding lost a penny, you monster
sorry, i’m being a total fool, what is the 1.2?
20% more than 1
Thanks for the clarity u/Buttraper
mildly interesting
thats nuts
r/rimjobsteve
r/rimjob_steve
1 = 100% 1.1 = 110% 1.05 = 105% 1.2 = 120%
I think you just taught me quick math…
I’ll give you another - Percentages are reversible. 20% of 100 is 100% of 20. 7% of 50 is 50% of 7.
I took two calc 1, 2, and 3, then differential equations and never realized this Thanks, buttraper!
Holy shit.
1.2 is the price of the meal plus the 20 percent tip. So 120% which is 1.2
its 1 plus 0.2 😎
1 is the original total .2 = 20% 1.2 = total+20%
It's a decimal representation of 120%.
TIL some people don't learn decimal.
They could be a toddler still
A way to calculate the current amount + 20% more, if it was 15% you could either do 1.15 like they did or do .15 and add it to the original. Just skips a step.
1.2 is 120%. You multiply the original price by 1.2 to get +20% on it.
Move the decimal one place and double it. - The more you know -
>20.95 >209.5 >419 I think I missed up somewhere.
> missed up And more than once, too.
No, no. You just move the decimal one place, then double it, like so: > 20.95 > 2.095 > 2..095
This is what I do. 2.09 doubled is 4.18. Although I usually just round to the nearest dollar and then move the decimal to the left and double. So $21 is 2.10, doubled 4.20. I would have put down $25.15 or $25.20.
Did you see all the Beautiful Minds up there writing out whole formulas for this?! 😆
My understanding was you tip on the pretax cost, not the post tax total. So it didn’t work (unless someone is tipping 20% outside the USA)
Hold up. I'm British and been to the US a lot but still learning this tipping culture stuff.... ...you're meant to use the PRE-tax amount to figure out the tip not the total? I've never heard this before. I need more people to confirm!!
I tip on pre tax.
Why would you tip for being taxed? Tip for what you’re actually paying for, the pre-tax figure
>My understanding was you tip on the pretax cost, not the post tax total Isn't this completely arbitrary when you choose the tipping % / amount yourself?
Well, a tip is supposed to be on the pre-tax amount and he tipped on the post-tax amount. So he tipped more than 20% on the pre-tax amount.
He probs used his phone to calculate and just wrote down the total. He saved him 1 character and a period hhaaha
He probably did x*1.2 on his calculator so he didn’t know the difference without having to subtract it.
My understanding is that most restaurants only need the "total" line, anyways. The tip line is effectively a checksum or safeguard in case the total line is ambiguous or otherwise illegible. I usually just do the math on my phone calculator, round up to the nearest dollar, then draw an arrow down through the tip line and write the total as calculated.
Lol your use of checksum is great
the only part that counts is what gets entered in the machine. The paper is just a backup in the case of a dispute. How often do you check your receipts to the charges on your statement?
That's why I find it so strange when I go to the states and the waiter asks for my card, then goes to the back God knows what he did with it and then come back. Here (up north), you bring me the machine, I input my own tip, pin number (yes, I know n stands for number) and validate the transaction myself.
I hear non-americans complain about this a lot. Been in this industry my whole life and I can't think of a single time I've seen someone do anything malicious with a card. Like, I'm sure it's happened/happens, but this isn't even remotely common.
What would happen if someone just wrote "20%" on the tip line and left the total line blank?
Someone would probably do the math, write in the total, and charge it to the card. But they aren't supposed to.
What if someone wrote 0.8 😅
Free money glitch
As long as there’s a signature you can fill it in. If they write anything on the check in the tip box it’s not illegal to fill in the total it’s called math lmao
I recently moved to the US and honestly thought everyone did it like this. I’ve been doing this for two years now and this is the first time I hear it’s unusual. Also, tipping being standard here is ridiculous.
"Tipping being standard here is ridiculous." Amen!
I was visiting last year and had to work out what 20% was so I don't understand the fuss
Americans like to feel they have a good deal, then they like to complain about the government taking their money through taxes, then they like to reward people, secretly they all think they’re being scammed somewhere along the line. The restaurant check covers all four of these bases.
I'm in Europe and that actually explains why Americans are so against taxes. When I go to a store, prices include taxes. No pressure to tip. most of my taxes are already taken from my salary, including healthcare, so I never have to "give up" that amount, I just never get it in the first place. This drastically reduces the perceived "sacrifice" I make to the state. It also simplifies my budget.
It is really annoying that prices are given without tax, but I think a big part of the reason is that sales tax is different from city to city/county to county, so national retailers and consumer goods companies would fight a requirement to list price with tax in physical stores, and they need to know your shipping address before they can give your full price online, too.
Yeah, I don't think they realize that if I drive 15 minutes, I'm in a new tax rate. In Europe, the tax rate is the same for the whole (individual) country, I believe. Plus, I don't always know what it is because they go up periodically.
When your entire life revolves solely around the dollar, it's easy for companies to appeal to that necessity, regardless of how fair it actually is
The way you pay and pay the tip is also ridiculous. In most places elsewhere it's just on the machine they hand you.
I love the uk for letting me say no to tipping on the machine. Most places say no themselves lol
I love France (and most of Asia) even more for not even giving me the option most of the time.
I can't believe they make you do the math yourself. Just tell me the amount, and then I'll say what I want to pay, you put that in the machine, hey presto.
The worst is that it works like this: they bring you the bill, you give them your card, they take the bill and your card away, swipe/tap it for the original amount without tip, then they bring you the card back with that receipt where you put the gratuity, you get your card back and hand that paper back to them after you fill and sign it, you leave and they go back inside and update the amount billed in your card by that much that you wrote. I've had tip updates taking a week to reflect in my statement. I've had tips wrongly billed (for more of course). I've had a card that I only used in one place cloned and used on the Internet. The whole thing is a clusterfuck. And god forbid you tip less than 20% or don't tip for poor service...
hang on, you GIVE them your card, where they can just do whatever they want with it? What if you want to pay using your phone?
>hang on, you GIVE them your card, where they can just do whatever they want with it? >What if you want to pay using your phone? Alot of places don't accept payments via phone. They aren't set up for it.
It's interesting how in the land of the free you are expected to essentially trust others with your bank account each time you pay at a restaurant.
Why do they take the card away? This is baffling me wtf
I have always wondered why the payment system in the USA so shit and backwards, lol. Japan uses NFC. Even India uses QR codes for direct bank payment through phone. A card scanner costs way more than putting a QR code on the counter. And to top it all off, the card doesn't have a security pin, OTP or anything to protect anything? Wtf. It's like you guys live in the 1980s.
You're not wrong. When I was in Brazil last time I paid with my phone for a cup of sugar cane juice on a street vendor stand.
Our representatives and their overlords in the US are big fans of corporate welfare. Sub-minimum wage for service workers, and at the nation's #1 employer (other than the military) most of the workers require food stamps to live.
Tipping is out of hand. 20% used to be a LARGE tip very recently. Now it’s supposed to be considered as baseline. Rant but true.
That is bullshit that people increase the tip %, because tip already scale with inflation. 15% is 15% regardless of how much or little the costs increase.
Yep. At a 10% tip rate, a server would have to serve 10 dishes in order to receive enough tip to buy one dish themself. At a 20% tip rate, a server would have to serve only 5 dishes in order to receive enough tip to buy one dish themself. This is true regardless of inflation. If you think tipping rates should increase with inflation, then taking it to the extreme, at some point the tip rate should be 100%, and a server would have to serve only 1 dish in order to receive enough tip to buy one dish themself.
I think tipping should be illegal. Same with adding tax to items at checkout so the totals are fucked
Except that tip doesn’t have to stop at 100%. E.g. It could easily get to 700%
UK is going that way too now. I went to breakfast in london and they had one of those swivel screens with suggested tips on it, 5-15%. Now it becomes standard to put in a 12.5% tip as standard in a lot of restaurants. I'm not even gonna lie, your job it to take my order and then bring your food to me, I don't want you to check up on how I found the food, I don't need a super polite extreme service. I just want my food dude. I'd rather even tip the chef. Just pay your staff the fair wage.
That's most often just small trendy hip places. And it only works in London where people pay £13 for a salad bowl. Some normal restaurants are trying this, but it will never become a thing all over the UK because there is no culture for it, and a few hip places getting away with it in London are not enough to start a tipping culture. I always just select 0% and no one bats an eye because thank god it never became a societal expectation.
I want to believe you but I'm concerned about how quickly these things can become the norm.
I go to London regularly for work, and find it has actually gotten worse than the US in some cases. Last time I was there I was hit with: a "mandatory" service charge of 12%, an "optional" tip, and also if I wanted to put 2 pounds extra on the bill to "support a charity of our choosing". It has gotten completely out of hand.
What makes it worse is the combination of the cost of living crisis and the already insane prices in London. Definitely not we should be copying America in.
American problem btw
We know. We don't like it either. But, sadly, individuals in America have been convinced over many decades that societal problems should fall on the lay-man consumer, instead of corporations being regulated properly.
You say you dont like it, yet everyone is doing it lmao
i've personally never heard anyone say 20% is now a minimum. no, 20% is what you get for great service. where are you hearing that 20% is supposed to be considered a baseline? where is that coming from?
15% is still my baseline. I’ll do 20% if I’m in a good mood or like the server.
What happens if you tip less?
The waitress stares at you … menacingly !
jail :(
Tip too much? Believe it or not, straight to jel.
Man, years ago I went to lunch with a bunch of work buddies. It was a Chinese buffet with a set price. Everybody threw a bunch of cash on the table to cover their meal plus a tip. I'll be damned if one guy didn't count the money up and decide that it was "too much" and took his tip out. lol You can tip too little but not too much...unless it's a stripper.
The big problem right now is that most machines automatically add or suggest a minimum of 18-20% minimum and give option for more
Surley they give an option for a custom amount or no tip? Can‘t imagine it to be legal without.
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> They're hoping people are too lazy / ashamed to use the other / custom tip button and input their number And they'd be right!
Correct, there is always a 0-tip option. I program credit card readers for a living, it's a hard-requirement in their software to have either a 0 or "other" button.
I used one the other day, that was either messed up, or the programmer was trolling lol. The other/custom option was layered under the 20% option, so there was no way to click other. I just laughed, and walked away. Left my shit there.
This is what I would have done as a New Zealander that’s never had to tip before.. is it really not normal to write a percentage? How do people know when others have only tipped a small percent - quick maths?
I mean, it’s pretty easy to tell when the bill is like $50 and the tip is $5. Come to think of it, I’ve heard many other countries have all of their sales tax and everything included on the price tag in stores and what not. In America it’s not, so we have been trained to do % conversions pretty much every day. I’d say most people can’t conjure an exact number on a whim, but I think most have good number sense for percentages here, at least a ball park idea. So I guess it applies here. Most people intuitively know around what % of a bill that the tip is.
I hate tipping culture 🤬
What exists in the US is not a tip culture. It is an optional copayment of worker salary/service by the client And it should be illegal. In any case, the company that does that should also give me the right to pay for the consumed or not. And pay what I decide to be worth
Staff must be making a killing on tips though, I doubt they want the system to change either. The customer is the only one getting screwed.
I used to work as a server. Many of us hated the whole tipping thing and would’ve preferred to jsut get paid a flat rate. It’s why I quit, I hated having to dance like a monkey, and still get ripped because someone was having a bad day. You’d be surprised, especially older people get a kick out of their power over your wage. They were straight bullies. However there were some (usually attractive women that played into older men’s delusions) that LOVED tipping. Because it’s a game and they automatically win lol. This is just the place I worked at though, I was only a server that one time.
Yeah I would imagine pretty privilege plays into the tipping big time. How much were you roughly making in tips on a good day? Where I'm from tipping isn't considered mandatory like the US but people still tip if the service is worthy of it, staff still put in the same effort regardless though you can't really do the bare minimum just because you're on a wage lol
Pretty privilege was all of it where I worked. And it did go both ways, sometimes the more appealing men would get tipped better by the ladies. I remember on Christmas, some guy came in and tipped all the women on staff $100. I was the only guy, he told me he wouldn’t tip a man. Actually, I had a lot of people say terrible shit to me for being a male server. Got called slurs, told I should get a real job, etc. It was insane. This was in the south though. I really was making an abysmal wage there. My coworkers did alright.
[It's spreading to everything now.](https://youtu.be/fho85Cd94ug)
Yeah, it lets people get away with underpaying the workers by customers deciding to not tip, and by employers for not just charging what they need to on the menu to cover an actual decent wage.
That is by far the most mildly interesting thing I’ve ever seen on this sub.
Tipping is stupid.
I mean, it’s pretty stupid. After having lived in a country without tipping where the service and quality is better than the US..yeah, it’s dumb.
No one on Reddit is on the other side of this issue
just give it a minute, all the servers will come out swinging about how it's actually an awesome system because they make bank, conveniently ignoring their non-tipped coworkers abysmal pay and the fact that their employer basically gets free labor from them at the expense of everyone else. or the folks who insist that restaurants wouldn't make any money if they had to actually pay their workers, despite the rest of the world somehow making it work just fine. I get it, if you can make $25/hr on tips waiting tables you probably wouldn't go to bat for the group trying to get rid of that system, but it only makes sense in that context.
It can easily be more than $25/hr also I assume most of that is in cash that it's not 100% reported to the IRS, so part of that is just tax free
And in many places cooks don't even get a share of the tips, when (at least for me) they do the most important part of the restaurant. If it was for me I would just list the dishes I want myself, get up and deliver it to the kitchen and then go get my dish when it's ready.
Idk man have u checked out r/americabad bros think any criticism of america is out of line, but fail to realise instead of getting defensive about what criticism people give, they could put that energy into addressing the issues. Same goes for every country.
can someone from US explain to me this thing We got a culture in our country where if the bill is say 18$ we would round it up to 20$ (lower standard of living so 2$ is okay tip), if its 3$ we make it 4$, everything done in cash Way easier and you dont need change Why do people make sure for the tip to be exactly 10 / 15 / 20?
It doesn’t need to be exactly those, those are just commonly agreed upon numbers. You can tip whatever you want. Some people do just round up to the next dollar, next $5, whatever they want. Everyone has their own personal rule set for tipping, but the point of a % is to keep it proportional to the bill, which in theory reflects how much work the server did. However it’s not a perfect system because the server that’s carrying out 10 $10 cheeseburgers and the server that’s carrying out 1 $100 steak are both getting the same tip at 10%.
It's so crazy to me that the US still doesn't just have payment terminals. Like we've had portable debit/credit machines in canada for 20+ years. Why y'all still doing this weird pay and then write a number on a receipt and pay again thing? And you still don't have etransfer and have all these weird apps for sending money but it charges you to do so. O.o
My conspiracy theory is that the restaurant industry wants to encourage cash transactions so that less can be claimed on taxes. Wait staff gets to keep more income, owners are given an extra reason to justify their shitty pay and can also claim less in tax. Eating at a restaurant in the USA is like time travelling back to the summer of 69’
If I’m too tipsy I just write MATH and write the total $26 at the bottom.
When I’m wasted I’ll tip 13 dollars cuz it’s Taylor swift fave number
I'm french and not used to this american nonsense, can someone explain it to me ? What's the point of the gratuity line ?
You write down how much of the server's salary you're willing to pay so they can pay their rent...
It's a legacy from reconstruction after slavery. The concept was ironically borrowed from Europe. After the civil war, jobless blacks were allowed to serve food in restaurants but weren’t paid. Tips were their only compensation.
As someone from a country that doesn't do tips... what's weird or interesting here?
Isn’t this what you’re supposed to do? I live in a non tip country.
You typically write the $ amount.
Wait I don’t get why that’s interesting haha
That’s how it’s done in my country
Maybe they were a visiting USA. We have tipping were I'm from but it doesn't have a dollar line. You select a percentage unless your doing cash
This is how Terrence Howard tips.
I usually just guess and put a whole number, with MATH on the tip line
What’s interesting about it??
I'm not 'Murican, is this a weird thing to do?
Worked in bar management for years, what's the issue? You must be new to this... The rule is that you live and die by the total. As long as the total line amount is correct then the rest is irrelevant.
This tipping culture in the US is totally sick. You'd better pay your people properly
Why was this still at the table when you sat down?
Some restaurants have wait staff but let you seat yourself. People can grab tables before they are cleaned.
Move the decimal over to the left by one space and then double it. That has made the most sense to me
I use cash to tip.
Looks kind of sophisticated - I may start doing it that way!
It’s not interesting 🧐
I round up the tax then add a bit. Our tax is 8.3%. Unless it’s a large bill I’ll do the math. Or if the server sucks they get what they deserve.
20% is easy math. Take the total, move the decimal one number to the left, and double it
I've always just moved the decimal over one spot then times by 2. $20.95 would be 2.10(round up) x2 so 4.20
Friend: How much are you tipping? Him: 20% Friend: \*looks at the bill\* you mean like $5? Him: Read. My. Lips...
Are we tipping on tax now?
A lot of services that put recommended tips on the receipt will sneakily base it on the tax being included.
I’ve always tipped on the total amount.
The norm was always to calculate tip BEFORE tax, but that may have changed in recent years. I personally just do total cuz it’s easier.
Literally only changed because automated machines can ask you for more money and ofc that's the move I guess. So many machines asking you to tip a percent based on total.
I usually put 0 and give the guy cash instead.
Why is this interesting?