* Bellingham International Airport in Washington state
* Cozumel International Airport in Mexico
* Syracuse Hancock International Airport in New York
* George Bush Intercontinental Airport in Houston
This happened to me recently. Spent 15 minutes looking for a restaurant that wasn't at the airport before I realized I don't know what airport I was in.
How come Bellingham is so gross? All the main roads are littered in trash as if a majority of the town just throws trash out their car window. It's fucking gross. Clean it up
It's not? Bellingham is huge.
I went to school there like 10 years ago and it was fine
Recently trekked up there and had a blast. Where he fuck are you talking about... Bellisfair? Downtown? Such a weird question
Walking from Aslan to Boundary Bay was fine and no one I was with thought it was "gross," even people that had been there for a first time
Your link does not state that btw. It literally just talks about how much litter is picked up, but doesn't compare that between states.
Going into your data on Bellingham. Whatcom county had 58k lbs of litter, Skagit had 103k lbs, King had 407k, Kitsap 332k
So in the PNW Bellingham area is 5th in litter of 7 counties.
Suck! Getting to Cozumel is a hassle: fly to Cancun - take a bus or shuttle south to Playa del Carmen’s ferry terminal - take a ferry across to the island. All this with luggage is a pain so I hope they can eventually start service at that airport again.
There is a ferry, it takes time yes but it’s not all that inconvenient.
I prefer to stay in Playa del Carmen and just go over to the island rather then staying on Cozumel.
So your response to the complaint of it being a hassle to get to Cozumel is to say to not go up Cozumel?
Great advice bud!
I'd also note that you can't drive over the water in a car...
What the fuck is wrong with the Internet lately? I wasn’t saying my way is correct. I’m just saying that’s what I find easiest I’m not trying to start a fucking Internet fight with anybody Jesus.
How is renting a car and driving on the one road to Playa del carmen before getting an infrequent car ferry easier than getting one of the regular buses and getting on one of the regular normal ferries?
Not true.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/business/southwest-airlines-boeing-airports.html
'Southwest’s chief executive, Bob Jordan, said in an interview with CNBC on Thursday that the decision to exit those airports was unrelated to delays in receiving new Boeing planes, although those delays were causing other problems.'
Southwest says this is due to a 'cost cutting drive'.
'Southwest Quits Four Airports in Cost-Cutting Drive' is the title of that story although the headline implies that story also previously attributed the changes to Boeing.
My home airport is SYR and I was directly affected by this. It was clearly not about planes lmao. The planes exist and were already slated for flights. They wanted a scapegoat and got called out.
OP changed the title of the original article to fit the narrative. Reddit at it's finest lol
> Southwest to stop service to 4 airports in wake of rising losses **and more Boeing delivery problems**
In all fairness to OP, this is the usual news media shenanigans of changing titles later on after a more controversial and/or clickbaity title has already garnered attention. I checked the story earlier this morning and it was the same title OP posted here. The URL for the story also still reflects that:
>...business/**boeing-problems-southwest-ends-service-4-airports**/index.html
Now that the original title has done its job and run its course, CNN can pivot to a less controversial and more accurate title to be preserved for history.
Yeah, I'd agree. CNN (and other news media; it's not just them, but it happens to be them in this case) wants to have its cake and eat it too. They want the clicks and attention garnered with inflammatory half-truth headlines, and they want the respectability of a prestige news outlet. It's a deeply concerning state of affairs when the news benefits off of riling people up with clickbait before changing it down the line so that history will only (or mostly only) see the facade of fair reporting. That being said, it's not exactly a new state of affairs since yellow journalism is well over a century old, but the problem persists.
CNN changed the title. I saw it the other way before. Look at the URL.
If anything this sounds like Boeing PR telling media outlets 'are you sure you named this article right and not opportunistically/as click bait' and the outlets taking action.
[Southwest’s chief executive, Bob Jordan, said in an interview with CNBC on Thursday that the decision to exit those airports was unrelated to delays in receiving new Boeing planes, although those delays were causing other problems.](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/business/southwest-airlines-boeing-airports.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb)
Edit: Here’s the video of the interview (scroll to 2:46)
https://youtu.be/534TuxF4Xu0?si=tILsqOBbBBE2zExf
I agree - Cramer is obnoxious!
I have some experience in the industry and my sense is that other than GWB Airport, the other three likely don’t have a slot system. Happy to be corrected by someone in the know.
Those in charge of this care not… they have milked the cow dry and have what they came for. There are no real/personal consequences for planes crashing due to corporate thievery. When Boeing finally goes under from being bled out for profits, no one will go to jail and those who committed these atrocities will get a bonus and new higher paying position with another Corporation.
TLDR: We’re Fucked
I think about this all the time and I'm not really sure. It's happening at all levels of business and government. Smooth talking MBAs taking control of organizations that should be run by engineeers and philosophers and then gutting them and making off like bandits. Old reliable brands being scooped up by holding companies and turned into shells of their former selves and slowly eroded to death. I don't know if laws can be passed to make this kind of transfer illegal. I mean, anti-trust laws do exist in North America but no one enforces them because governments are captured.
People in general need to be educated about WHY and HOW their quality of life is rapidly falling and why the cost of everything is ballooning while quality of goods is in decline. Everyone can sense it but everyone is just gobbling up propaganda and blaming whoever is currently in office.
Corporate leaders and other business types who exist only to extract wealth from the population at its own expense need to be seen in full light for the villains they are and they need to be afraid.
Anyway its probably only going to get worse before it gets better. I'm sure there are examples from history.
Again I agree 100% with your full comment. We’re in the stage of capitalism where the snake is consuming itself, tail first… feels like we’re about half way back to the head.
You're right but it's ridiculous. There's a lot of efficiencies gained by standardising your fleet. Don't blame the company for doing what makes sense, blame the vendor for failing to provide what they committed to. It's not like southwest bought a plane off of Temu
Literally IN THE LINKED ARTICLE:
"However, in an interview later Thursday on CNBC, Jordan said that the decision to cut service to those four airports would have been made in attempt to improve financial results and would been done with or without the delivery issues with Boeing."
So... bullshit.
On Southwest they do when booking by opting not to be on a MAX. Better to spend your money on another airline that doesn’t put all their passengers at risk by using that awful plane. Or is there not enough evidence of how many corners have been cut in the builds yet???
That's correct, they do. The 700s and 800s are long proven platforms that have been in use for a long time. The MAX platform is brand new and is shoddy shit. It requires a computer to fly because they were forced to move the engines forward and up so that they wouldn't scrape the ground, being so much bigger than previous engines. That is the source of the crash that grounded ALL of the MAX platform a couple years ago, remember that? That computer took over the plane and force corrected the plane into the ground, killing everyone on board. All because the airline flying that plane didn't opt for the EXPENSIVE PAID training on how to turn that system OFF.
I refuse to fly SWA at this point. They are the most expensive and least safe airline in the US at this point. The ONLY time a ticket is cheap is when you buy during a sale. The rest of the time, they are more expensive by sometimes double.
it should really be written as "Boeing problems lead Southwest to drop service at four airports."
Even "from four aiports" would work and be less ambiguous than "to"
I wish they would look at Airbus options, but that won’t happen given the cost of training and having to rework maintenance for another type of plane.
The Southwest model is to cheaply by only operating one type of aircraft, only flying routes that are optimal for that aircraft. It simplifies their training and logistics tremendously.
The 175-E2 is dead in the US and doesn’t fill the gap left by the Max7. The 321 is too big to replace the Max7 and WN would likely have to buy an airline to get them in a timely manner.
The A220 might work, but with its rather deep order list and P&W engine issues, it wouldn’t help much by the time the 7 rolls into service.
Yeah now that I think about it, the A321 appears to have replaced the 757. Pretty wild, basically the same airplane as the 757-200 except with better efficiency and economics.
The 321 doesn’t have the same performance as a 757. American tried just swapping them out on some of their South American routes and ended up regularly leaving people behind or limiting seating. The NEOs might be better, but it’s still not a great one to one.
They don’t have the range that the Max7 has and a proper logistics chain would likely be difficult to maintain as no one in the US uses it. The E jets are great, but they just don’t fit WN’s needs.
Boeing needs to purge the company of the bean counters who've caused their problems, replacing them with engineers and quality control inspectors. The Board of Directors should be GONE, in it's entirety. They have failed miserably and should be swept clean.
And purged of assassins who'd go after whistleblowers. People turning up dead before going to court makes Boeing look bad, like they are covering up something more
As a fellow Bob, I can tell you Bob Jordan doesn’t want to blame Boeing outright for this. But I promise you every major airline is currently making decisions influenced by Boeing’s bullshit right now.
* Bellingham International Airport in Washington state * Cozumel International Airport in Mexico * Syracuse Hancock International Airport in New York * George Bush Intercontinental Airport in Houston
Damn, the only other company that flies out of Bellingham is Alaska as far as I know.
and allegient ðŸ˜
Ugh. Yeah, and that drive up from SeaTac blows.
Look at me. I'm the Canadian now. Viva la VYR!
Alaska does have flights out of Paine Field (Everett) that might work for some people.
SW flies mostly out of Hobby in Houston anyway
Yeah I stumbled across their gate in IAH and wondered how many people accidentally went to the wrong airport haha
my wife. didn't realize her return flight was IAH had to Uber to hobby to get her car.
That happened so much in the past the first time SWA was there that there used to be a shuttle bus between the airports.
This happened to me recently. Spent 15 minutes looking for a restaurant that wasn't at the airport before I realized I don't know what airport I was in.
Curses they just started going to Bellingham
Just take flix bus from Bellingham to Seattle or Portland. That's what I did when I left Bellingham
Yeah, but then you get to deal with SeaTac, bus travel, other bullshit.
I wouldn't know. I mostly ride Amtrak
Stfu, you just said that you took the bus. Amtrak doesn't run out of Bellingham often enough to make it convenient.
How come Bellingham is so gross? All the main roads are littered in trash as if a majority of the town just throws trash out their car window. It's fucking gross. Clean it up
It's not? Bellingham is huge. I went to school there like 10 years ago and it was fine Recently trekked up there and had a blast. Where he fuck are you talking about... Bellisfair? Downtown? Such a weird question Walking from Aslan to Boundary Bay was fine and no one I was with thought it was "gross," even people that had been there for a first time
Washington is literally one of the worst states for litter https://ecology.wa.gov/Waste-Toxics/Solid-waste-litter/Litter/Litter-pickup
Your link does not state that btw. It literally just talks about how much litter is picked up, but doesn't compare that between states. Going into your data on Bellingham. Whatcom county had 58k lbs of litter, Skagit had 103k lbs, King had 407k, Kitsap 332k So in the PNW Bellingham area is 5th in litter of 7 counties.
There's no Amtrak in Bellingham. How bout you stfu. Flix bus is the easiest way to connect without taking Greyhound or any other bus lines. Derp
Yes there is, albeit in Fairhaven but it’s Bellingham to me
Imagine down voting me even after I made you eat your words. What a petty thing to be butthurt over. Haha. Idiot
Seems like it would be quicker to fly out of Vancouver.
Portland? Lol. Would be better to fly out of YVR at that point.
Bush? God damn that sucks for anyone who doesn’t live close to Hobby.
Suck! Getting to Cozumel is a hassle: fly to Cancun - take a bus or shuttle south to Playa del Carmen’s ferry terminal - take a ferry across to the island. All this with luggage is a pain so I hope they can eventually start service at that airport again.
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Mexico is a developing country. Insufficient and failing infrastructure is definitely not a first world problem.
You don’t get it. Mexico doesn’t have the first world problem, you do.
Mexicans don’t go to Cozumel? WOW.
Via Southwest Airlines?
Rent a car. It’s cheep, plus you can explore the Yucatán via car. I’ve done it several times.
Rent a car to go to places other than the place being discussed as a pain to get to?
There is a ferry, it takes time yes but it’s not all that inconvenient. I prefer to stay in Playa del Carmen and just go over to the island rather then staying on Cozumel.
So your response to the complaint of it being a hassle to get to Cozumel is to say to not go up Cozumel? Great advice bud! I'd also note that you can't drive over the water in a car...
What the fuck is wrong with the Internet lately? I wasn’t saying my way is correct. I’m just saying that’s what I find easiest I’m not trying to start a fucking Internet fight with anybody Jesus.
How is renting a car and driving on the one road to Playa del carmen before getting an infrequent car ferry easier than getting one of the regular buses and getting on one of the regular normal ferries?
I travel a lot. 150+ days a year. I hate busses, I hate being trapped in one place and having a car gives me the freedom to explore. Last time I was on the Yucatán we rented a car after stepping off the airplane. Car rented was completed in less then 30min and we were on a beach 1.5 hours after getting off the plane. Drove to Tulum, Chichén Itzá and probably visited 3-4 cenotes. If we had to wait on busses and schedules we’d never have done all that in 3 days.
Cool... None of that is relevant to the ease of getting to Cozumel - which is literally what this comment thread is discussing
God damnit. Bellingham is so close to my company’s branch and now zip going to have to make the 2 hr trek to/from SeaTac
any reports/guesses on the number of employees affected (aside from the impact to the airports)?
They really call it "intercontinental airport" huh?
Not true. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/business/southwest-airlines-boeing-airports.html 'Southwest’s chief executive, Bob Jordan, said in an interview with CNBC on Thursday that the decision to exit those airports was unrelated to delays in receiving new Boeing planes, although those delays were causing other problems.' Southwest says this is due to a 'cost cutting drive'. 'Southwest Quits Four Airports in Cost-Cutting Drive' is the title of that story although the headline implies that story also previously attributed the changes to Boeing.
My home airport is SYR and I was directly affected by this. It was clearly not about planes lmao. The planes exist and were already slated for flights. They wanted a scapegoat and got called out.
Facts schmacts! What matters around here is affirming the prevailing ideologies. No one cares about facts anymore.
OP changed the title of the original article to fit the narrative. Reddit at it's finest lol > Southwest to stop service to 4 airports in wake of rising losses **and more Boeing delivery problems**
In all fairness to OP, this is the usual news media shenanigans of changing titles later on after a more controversial and/or clickbaity title has already garnered attention. I checked the story earlier this morning and it was the same title OP posted here. The URL for the story also still reflects that: >...business/**boeing-problems-southwest-ends-service-4-airports**/index.html Now that the original title has done its job and run its course, CNN can pivot to a less controversial and more accurate title to be preserved for history.
Well I guess that might actually be worse than a guy trying to get fake Internet points lol
Yeah, I'd agree. CNN (and other news media; it's not just them, but it happens to be them in this case) wants to have its cake and eat it too. They want the clicks and attention garnered with inflammatory half-truth headlines, and they want the respectability of a prestige news outlet. It's a deeply concerning state of affairs when the news benefits off of riling people up with clickbait before changing it down the line so that history will only (or mostly only) see the facade of fair reporting. That being said, it's not exactly a new state of affairs since yellow journalism is well over a century old, but the problem persists.
CNN changed the title. I saw it the other way before. Look at the URL. If anything this sounds like Boeing PR telling media outlets 'are you sure you named this article right and not opportunistically/as click bait' and the outlets taking action.
If anything - using Boeing as a scapegoat here is a way to shift blame/political pressure from Southwest.
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[Southwest’s chief executive, Bob Jordan, said in an interview with CNBC on Thursday that the decision to exit those airports was unrelated to delays in receiving new Boeing planes, although those delays were causing other problems.](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/business/southwest-airlines-boeing-airports.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb) Edit: Here’s the video of the interview (scroll to 2:46) https://youtu.be/534TuxF4Xu0?si=tILsqOBbBBE2zExf
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I agree - Cramer is obnoxious! I have some experience in the industry and my sense is that other than GWB Airport, the other three likely don’t have a slot system. Happy to be corrected by someone in the know.
Boeing is reaping the rewards of their poor choices
Those in charge of this care not… they have milked the cow dry and have what they came for. There are no real/personal consequences for planes crashing due to corporate thievery. When Boeing finally goes under from being bled out for profits, no one will go to jail and those who committed these atrocities will get a bonus and new higher paying position with another Corporation. TLDR: We’re Fucked
Perhaps, we should change this.
Agreed, what do you suggest?
I think about this all the time and I'm not really sure. It's happening at all levels of business and government. Smooth talking MBAs taking control of organizations that should be run by engineeers and philosophers and then gutting them and making off like bandits. Old reliable brands being scooped up by holding companies and turned into shells of their former selves and slowly eroded to death. I don't know if laws can be passed to make this kind of transfer illegal. I mean, anti-trust laws do exist in North America but no one enforces them because governments are captured. People in general need to be educated about WHY and HOW their quality of life is rapidly falling and why the cost of everything is ballooning while quality of goods is in decline. Everyone can sense it but everyone is just gobbling up propaganda and blaming whoever is currently in office. Corporate leaders and other business types who exist only to extract wealth from the population at its own expense need to be seen in full light for the villains they are and they need to be afraid. Anyway its probably only going to get worse before it gets better. I'm sure there are examples from history.
Again I agree 100% with your full comment. We’re in the stage of capitalism where the snake is consuming itself, tail first… feels like we’re about half way back to the head.
Yeah i just find it useful for myself to write it out so i can get better at communicating it.
This is far better than people with problems at 30 thousand feet.
A classic case of "Two is one, and one is none."
For an airline there size flying one type is becoming a liability!
You're right but it's ridiculous. There's a lot of efficiencies gained by standardising your fleet. Don't blame the company for doing what makes sense, blame the vendor for failing to provide what they committed to. It's not like southwest bought a plane off of Temu
Well, it looks like it actually is. Boeing gets closer to Temu with each passing day, and with each engineer losing his or her job to an MBA.
Literally IN THE LINKED ARTICLE: "However, in an interview later Thursday on CNBC, Jordan said that the decision to cut service to those four airports would have been made in attempt to improve financial results and would been done with or without the delivery issues with Boeing." So... bullshit.
Yeah a different article the other day said they made the changes due to major financial losses
Reading this thread, sitting on a Boeing 737 Max8 plane at the gate now delayed 2 hours because of a radio/intercom problem.
That stuff hasn't changed in decades and Airbus uses most of the same parts. You're probably fine.
Had one delayed due to 10 seats becoming inoperable yesterday.
You're probably going to be fine!
Good luck!
no worries, you don't need a radio/intercom to fly!
Boeing probably forgot to install the radio/intercom in the first place...
…you should opt to take a different plane…just warning…
.. Do you think the passengers get to vote on a plane?
On Southwest they do when booking by opting not to be on a MAX. Better to spend your money on another airline that doesn’t put all their passengers at risk by using that awful plane. Or is there not enough evidence of how many corners have been cut in the builds yet???
might not be the MAX, but according to the story, Southwest flies only Boeing
That's correct, they do. The 700s and 800s are long proven platforms that have been in use for a long time. The MAX platform is brand new and is shoddy shit. It requires a computer to fly because they were forced to move the engines forward and up so that they wouldn't scrape the ground, being so much bigger than previous engines. That is the source of the crash that grounded ALL of the MAX platform a couple years ago, remember that? That computer took over the plane and force corrected the plane into the ground, killing everyone on board. All because the airline flying that plane didn't opt for the EXPENSIVE PAID training on how to turn that system OFF. I refuse to fly SWA at this point. They are the most expensive and least safe airline in the US at this point. The ONLY time a ticket is cheap is when you buy during a sale. The rest of the time, they are more expensive by sometimes double.
This headline made my brain think they were only flying out of four airports now. Nope, that’s not it. Language can be weird.
it should really be written as "Boeing problems lead Southwest to drop service at four airports." Even "from four aiports" would work and be less ambiguous than "to"
It should really read "Southwest to drop service at four airports." Boeing's shenanigans did not lead this.
I wish they would look at Airbus options, but that won’t happen given the cost of training and having to rework maintenance for another type of plane.
Southwest, you might want to get a few A321s or ERJ-175s or something, maybe diversify your equipment a bit.
The problem is that completely destroys their business model.
The Southwest model is to cheaply by only operating one type of aircraft, only flying routes that are optimal for that aircraft. It simplifies their training and logistics tremendously.
The 175-E2 is dead in the US and doesn’t fill the gap left by the Max7. The 321 is too big to replace the Max7 and WN would likely have to buy an airline to get them in a timely manner. The A220 might work, but with its rather deep order list and P&W engine issues, it wouldn’t help much by the time the 7 rolls into service.
Yeah now that I think about it, the A321 appears to have replaced the 757. Pretty wild, basically the same airplane as the 757-200 except with better efficiency and economics.
The 321 doesn’t have the same performance as a 757. American tried just swapping them out on some of their South American routes and ended up regularly leaving people behind or limiting seating. The NEOs might be better, but it’s still not a great one to one.
E195s could be a good option for their model…
They don’t have the range that the Max7 has and a proper logistics chain would likely be difficult to maintain as no one in the US uses it. The E jets are great, but they just don’t fit WN’s needs.
Definitely get the logistics chain issues. Though the e195 has a 2600nm range. Should be more than sufficient for Conus and Carribean operations.
Can the airlines sue Boeing for loss of profit over the plane issues?
Boeing needs to purge the company of the bean counters who've caused their problems, replacing them with engineers and quality control inspectors. The Board of Directors should be GONE, in it's entirety. They have failed miserably and should be swept clean.
And purged of assassins who'd go after whistleblowers. People turning up dead before going to court makes Boeing look bad, like they are covering up something more
I hope this leads to dropping SW as a government carrier.
The shareholders made a bunch of money though.
As a fellow Bob, I can tell you Bob Jordan doesn’t want to blame Boeing outright for this. But I promise you every major airline is currently making decisions influenced by Boeing’s bullshit right now.
Just booked tickets to Japan and I can't fly non stop without it being on a new Boeing. I'm also paying 17% more to avoid flying on a Boeing.
Better, Faster, Cheaper. You only get to pick two.
Why would you avoid it? Most Boeing flights to Japan are on 777s, the widebody aircraft with the best safety record around.
Couldn't get one. 787-8 were what was available to me direct.
So any updates on the whistleblower who magically passed away? Are these problems in relation to this?
Not to mention the racism I experienced
I was just trying to be helpful. So I get told to stfu and downvoted? Shows you what type of rude jerks live in shithole Bellingham
lol who are you even talking to. Take your meds