I genuinely think the majority of people who want to see McDavid fail is because of how much the media slobbers over him. He’s a stand up guy, trains extremely hard without relying on just talent, good teammate, stays out of trouble, doesn’t cause drama.
But the media makes him a “teachers pet” so it causes non oilers fans to want him to fail.
Most people I see hate mcdavid are just people fed up hearing about mcdavid in the media. Plus any amazing player always has haters. Met lots of people in crosbys prime that thought he was over rated.
I was one of those that thought Crosby was overrated, until he started winning everything. I’m a McDavid fanboy and always have been, but it’s more to do with how he plays and so incredibly dynamic he is. Hard not to respect that level of skill.
Yeah I'm a very casual fan of hockey; literally started paying real attention this season; and I was on board the hate train... Until the cup final series.
McDavid did everything he could to will this team to a game 7, and he played with his whole heart on his sleeve, and it was an insane sight to see
Crosby was also objectively whiny as a younger player. McDavid's never had that issue.
But yes, the main reason I was never a Sid fan but love McDavid is that his greatness is so apparent based on his playstyle. I don't understand how anyone could watch him play and go, "eh, don't really like that guy."
Watch laflammes highlight videos of Crosby on YouTube, especially his puck protection and edge work highlights, it’s mind blowing because literally no other player does what he does, and these are all highlights you’ve never seen in the media before
I’ve watched plenty of mcdavid this year. He’s unstoppable the instant he gets any space. But watching entire shifts of them, there’s a difference. Mcdavid doesn’t hold on to the puck a lot on the walls, he looks for those few chances where he gets a bit of space to build speed and is amazing at scored on all of those chances. However, he doesn’t CREATE space like Crosby does
Watch the videos, and while Crosby doesn’t have that speed with the puck to cut through space, he fights through wall battles with the puck, holds on to it until he has a good play, and makes smart passes even when he’s on the ground with only 1 hand on the stick. It’s a very different style, but equally great to watch.
Respectfully, McDavid creates more space than anyone who has ever played the games except maybe Gretzky. He just does it differently than Crosby.
Crosby uses his insanely strong lower body and low center of gravity to bully people away. McDavid uses the fact that he is the most agile player in NHL history to separate from the other team in a single turn.
To say he doesn't create space is literally insane.
You both have excellent points and honestly are probably both right. They are excellent at their respective niche skill sets. I still get in awe every time mcdavid builds up a head of steam and just flies past some of the best ice skaters this world has seen. Truly a sight to behold.
I'm more biased towards Crosby being a penguins fan. His puck protection is absurd and the ability he has to create opportunities for others is second to no one. I still remember that time he bullied Jason spezza against the flames. That edge work was insane and he got a much deserved assist on the goal by Letang. Jason spezza is very skilled in his own right but he looked like a small child against Crosby out there.
You can apply that exact same logic to Sid though. His greatness was apparent from the very first shift of his NHL career. Not really getting this argument tbh.
And come off it, McDavid whines all the time. It's expected when you're head and shoulders above your peers so they have to resort to fucking you up to stop you.
Sid was clearly great from the jump, but I’m referring to the aesthetic of their playstyle. It’s so obvious when McDavid is on the ice - his speed and agility with the puck are otherworldly, which makes it an entertaining brand of hockey.
It's hard to find a reason why McDavid doesn't deserve a hockey-fan's (and sports in general) respect. Couldn't find a better athlete who's also not arrogant, doesn't showboat and cares more about the team than his own personal winnings.
This is exactly it. I'm not an Edmonton fan, but my media feed is filled to the brim with Mcdavid this, and Oilers that. Even after losing to Florida, it's still all oilers and Mcdavid. I've been blocking every single account that even speaks about Mcdavid or Oilers because I'm so sick of hearing about it. Just because I live an hour from Edmonton doesn't mean I suck the oil cock like every other asshole around here. Mcdavid is an S tier player but I can't stand to even hear his name anymore.
Thank you for providing the context to the narrative. Crosby was whiny. Mcdavid can be too. It’s about maturity and growth. Just because you’re good doesn’t mean you’re likeable.
Crosby was on another level though. I haven’t heard any fan bases chant “mcdavid sucks! Mcdavid sucks!” Not that I’ve heard, at least. Sid on the other hand … and that doesn’t come from out of no where lol
Tbf crosby was always pretty likable.
Sure on the ice he might have whined more then average but he also was a star player who got egged on anytime he was on the ice - and as viewers we'd just get zoom ins of the star complaining and remember that (likely because our teams faced pittsburgh, bias viewing and bias cameras/commentary) and not the full context.
But crosby as a human was always a down to earth guy, him and his family have a fantastic reputation in halifax and nova scotia where he grew up/parents still live last i knew and he frequently visits in summer - crosby has even have been known to do casual drop ins, knock on the door style, to young fans in the area - not a part of some league or team PR effort
Parents raised him right and fame never got to his head in any visible way.
I still remember the Canucks game in a regular season in which we won 5-1, but since McDavid score the entire next day; high lights of his goal. Nothing about the Canucks winning.
I’m an Edmonton fan and mcdavid fan but that stuff just pisses me off. Even media interviewing other Edmonton players after the game just ask about mcdavid. I feel bad for everyone who has to deal with it.
And Gretzky got far more preferential treatment than McDavid does. Not just in terms of favorable calls, but no one could even touch the guy, or they'd be headhunted by Semenko or McSorely. McDavid (like Crosby) gets banged around a *lot*.
I just like my own team. Nate MacKinnon and Cale Makar thrill me. McDavid's highlight reels are impressive but don't move me. And like a song you hear everywhere you go, it gets to where you can't even appreciate it anymore and just start to hate it.
For example, McDavid won a skills competition that he himself designed based on routines he already perfected, which my guy came in second for. Is it not understandable that I didn't enjoy that fully? The league probably shouldn't have done that
> I genuinely think the majority of people who want to see McDavid fail is because of how much the media slobbers over him.
Fully agree. And it's just unfortunate for McDavid that he has about the same charisma and media presence of a 4x4 board.
It's the generational talent curse. Every sport right now has that generational talent the media slobbers over and talks about all the time: Mahomes (NFL), LeBron (NBA), Caitlin Clark (WNBA), Shohei Othani (MLB), McDavid (NHL). Sometimes people get sick of hearing about them all the time and start to despise whenever they hear their names. Just overexposure.
I definitely felt this watching the playoffs this year. The Sportsnet bias and constant disrespect /non-discussions for the teams on the other side of the Oilers was nauseating. I've never seen anything like it.
Nothing against McDavid though. He is everything you have noted above.
I however do not like Draisaitl.
This is me precisely. Huge rewlspect for the guy but it's all that's every talked about. The Canucks held him shot less some games and there was no respect for the guys that smothered him. That's not mcdavids fault its the media people who can't see anything but mcdavid.
As someone who rooted for Florida the whole series I was sad for mcdavid and this is a sad moment. But the old saying “if you ain’t being hated on you ain’t doin shit” applies. Dudes a world class talent. People hate without a legit reason. That’s the way it goes
This for sure. Watching game 7, part of me wanted to see the oilers complete such an historic comeback and McDavid get the cup. But part of me also wanted Florida to win because I think it would be interesting if McDavid never wins a cup.
That’s the best point ever. Yeah the media slobs all over him I want him to win and I’m a panthers fan but I’m Ngl part of me just knows he will and when he does I know the media will be ALL over it lol
Not non oilers fans, it's fans with nothing else going on but to be sad haters. I'm a Bolts fan and damn he deserves a Cup. I don't know why people get so whiney over his attention. There is always a golden "child" player. Always, it's not challenging to ignore. I felt for him with the Conn Smythe. If he came out he abandoned his teammates. If he stayed in he's a sore loser. He was never going to win public opinion there.
People can hate him all they want, but his teammates opinions are really the only ones that matter and they clearly have his back.
I don’t get this though. I didn’t hate Ovi or Crosby when they were the kings of the NHL. Didn’t want Kane, Toews, Datsyuk, Karlsson, etc to fail just because they were on another team. I just watched their highlights over and over in awe of how good they were (Dats, especially) and wished they were on my Oilers lol. McDavid is on another level as far as hype goes, I guess, but I just can’t imagine wanting such a great player to fail out of spite.
For me, I just want to keep hating the Oilers for wasting McDavid. I believe Edmonton is a shit organization from the top down and I want those beliefs confirmed. And I don't want them rewarded for being shit either, but really I just want myself proven right.
I just can’t see how anyone can hate on him. Dudes easily the best player in the game. That goal in game 3 was bonkers and no one could replicate that. I hope he wins it one day so no one can question his legacy
Just like they said, the media is annoying and it naturally provokes the response. The talent is undeniable, the highlights are brilliant. But you get to a point where hes getting sucked off for the most mundane shit and it becomes insufferable. Im sure ill come around to liking him in later years, i just cant stomach the peak fellatio years. Just like i did with crosby, etc
I feel like a lot of people don’t directly root for him just because he’s a bit of a boring example of a star player in a league. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, for all we know he could be a more interesting person without cameras on him, not that even that matters. But as far as media personalities goes, its hard to get excited about the guy. All the energy I end up having rooting for him comes just from his on ice play… which is insane, but that level of play coupled with giving something more in interviews would probably garner wider support pulling for him 🤷♂️ imo
I agree with but I would add on how much of this series the media still wanted oilers to win. Even in the first 3 games when they weren't playing well you would hear things like "just one spark and they got this game and the series." Then when the series was tied it was "the oilers are going to do the reverse sweep." I was fine on either team winning since my team wasn't in it but I couldn't believe how much they dogged Florida. It wasn't all but it was noticeable.
I only wanna see him fail in Edmonton cuz they already had Gretzky, and then 3 straight 1st overalls, and then lucked into McDavid.
If he were to go to any other team, I could cheer for him (wait no, not Anaheim or Toronto).
Pretty much this.
My wife hates McDavid and she didn't know who he was or who he played for. She hates hearing his name 24/7 during games/commercials etc.
He's crammed down everyone's throat.
That’s a fair assessment – at least for adults. One hack is to see which players the kids like. I interact with a lot of minor hockey hockey kids and they all love McDavid because he’s clearly the best and is exciting to watch
I see a lot of non oilers fans shit on Mcdavid because the media covers him a lot. I simply see it as the NHL trying to market the most skilled player of all time.
the announcers and commentators on ESPN couldn't stopped slobbering over mcdavid and the oilers for the whole series with the panthers, only PK Subban was excited for florida. if it was any other team I would've been rooting alongside them but now im glad he's sad losing against the cats lol we got our first one in franchise history!!!! WOOOO!!!!
I can respect him, doesn't mean I have to like him. Being in the Pacific division and seeing him and Drai as much as we do definitely causes some resentment lol.
As a Florida Panthers fan, I definitely chalk the hate up to how he's a golden boy for the media. Man legit seems like a stand up dude and he's definitely the best skater on the ice today.
But the media treats him like he's LeBron James or something. He's great don't get me wrong but he's not the GOAT. During the series, it felt like the Panthers were playing McDavid and not the Oilers. If McDavid does this, he'll break the record if McDavid does that, he'll win the game. It's a team sport he's a part of a team.
Of course I'm biased but I got really sick of hearing the announcers freak out every time McDavid got near the net while getting mildly enthused when the Panthers scored. Going into Game 7 it felt like McDavid's victory lap, as if as if McDavid wasn't playing for the Oilers
I don't hate him, I just dont cheer for him. Mostly because his fans and the media shove him down our throats all year long. He can do no wrong; when he loses its his teammates fault. When he wins, he carried them singlehandedly. He farts ? Media makes a posts about it. However I have nothing but respect for the skillset.
I don't think it's about wanting McDavid to fail, at least it's not for me. I think objectively McDavid may be the most skilled player to ever play the game, and love watching the things he's able to pull off. However, I hate the way the Oilers are built with a roster lacking depth and defense, and wish McDavid could go somewhere that surrounded him with a little more talent. For that reason I was rooting for the Panthers to win that Final, and also I can't stand Evander Kane and don't want him to ever get his name on the cup.
Except that wasn't the case this year. The Oilers got to game 7 with depth. McDavid doesn't kill penalties and their penalty kill was so good it would still back momentum. They were +1 on the pk against florida. The Oilers had great depth scoring in the 3rd and 4th round which is evident as Drai's play dropped off after he got hurt in the Vancouver series. Ya they still have some bad players, but so do all good teams in the NHL during the salary cap era, it's the nature of the beast. And tbh, any team McDavid plays on, will in the eyes of many lack depth just due to the nature of the salary cap. But again, this years oilers were a lot different from the teams of recent years past and to say otherwise kinda just shows that you didn't watch the games......
The same thing happened with Crosby and will continue to happen to every player that is considered the face of the league. It’s just the nature of the game.
As you said though, anyone who watches him knows he’s a hard working player and doesn’t give anyone a reason to dislike him.
I loved seeing the Oilers fail despite having McDavid and Draisaitl because I like the underdogs, but honestly, finally really watching them and seeing their fan base/hearing their commentary staff talk off broadcast really won me over on the team.
Very true, but I don't know if it's just how society has changed or what but some other all-stars when they were media hyped I don't remember everyone shitting on them as bad as he gets it. Maybe it's partially jealousy?
I hear about Matthews way more than McDavid, unless I’m looking in the wrong places. McDavid is such a joy to watch, and we’ll likely never see a talent like him for the next 5-10 years
It's a tale as old as time. People will hate him until he's.dome playing and then they'll all slobber over his career and rank among the all time greats.
It happened to Gretzky, Orr, Lemieux, Crosby, LeBron, Jordan, Brady, the list goes on and on.
Has always been the same story with Sid. Funny/sad to see lots of toxicity in the Pens subreddit considering our guy has always gotten hate in the same ways and for the same reasons.
There is a lot of truth in this. They force him down our throats all year long to the point it's beyond fuckin annoying but they can't force me to like it or him. He can't fart without the media telling us about it. And this garbage about how 'nobody wants to win it more than him'. How the fuck would he know ? Has he made a quantitative census from every NHL player ?
Connor is amazing as a player and as a human. In 1983 Gretzky was beaten soundly by the islanders. He used that as motivation. They win 4/5 cups after that with Wayne. Although Wayne had other HOF players in mess kurri Coffey Andy Fuhr.
I’m very sour over the changes Bettman made with the draft lottery that sent McDavid to Edmonton instead of Buffalo. It’s not his fault at all but I have a hard time rooting for the guy because of it. Instead I get the joy of watching 13 years of non-playoff hockey and every ex Sabre win a cup.
At least some of us think McDavid is a stellar player deserving of the cup, but also don’t want to see it because Canada hasn’t won a cup since the early 90’s and it’s now a tradition.
There is a certain comfort in familiarity, like watching the folks in Toronto drink with their hands because they haven’t had cups for so long.
It’s crazy how much hate he gets when he is possibly one of the most competitive players in the game today and an astonishing player to watch. I was hoping he’d be able to silence haters but it wasn’t meant to be.
I don't know why people hate on McDavid, I rooted for Florida but that guy seems like a stand up guy that is a one of a kind generational talent. He too deserves the cup one day and I wish him the best.
For Draisaitl, that's a surprising amount of emotion that isn't "pissy".
This band of brothers wants to win it for the group as much as for themselves, looking forward to next season.
The Oilers should be very proud of what they had accomplished this season. They had a rocky start and really turned it around. A lot of people underestimated this team, and time and time again, they proved them wrong. Hell of a group and hell of a coach. That coach needs major recognition.
You keep as many as you can.
Honestly, I think most will want to stay, so it really comes down to who needs to actually get paid this next contract.
Vinny comes to mind, he's come into his own, has some desirable qualities some teams will want. But with how Bromberg played in the playoffs when called up, we probably can't pay him what he would want. He's getting older, he won't have many opportunities to sign a contract, so I wouldn't fault him if he goes somewhere else for a higher pay.
On the flip side you have guys like Janmark that have come out already saying they would take less to stay.
I do not see it being like a 21-22 flames team where most wanted out.
IMO of all the UFAs we have Foegele and Janmark would be the priority signings. The rest are nice to have but more replacement level talent. Broberg and Holloway will get small bumps with their next deal but no arbitration rights so it won’t be too much.
The core of the team is basically the same barring a trade so that’s exciting
So I'd like to hear what u guys think about McDavid refusing to come out to accept the Conn Smythe? IMO it's the right move because your team just lost the cup in a tight game it would seem insensitive to them if you went out to accept it and of course the Florida fans would boo you. Imo I wouldve accepted the trophy if it had been Florida in 6 to give your fans a happy moment but since it's not even in front of your fans I think he did the right thing.
That, and apparently he was nursing a serious abdominal injury that requires surgery, and had completely gassed himself in the last few minutes. I imagine he was popping down some painkillers.
He’d rather be doing his job as captain and be in the room with the boys during what is most likely the hardest moment in their careers up until now. Anyone who can’t understand that clearly didn’t play hockey growing up.
Or any team sport. It's one thing to fumble and fuck up and get swept. Coach will scream at you, you'll all feel like shit. To work your ass off and almost reverse sweep the series just to be beaten in game 7? Devastating. You did what you had to do and it wasn't enough, you can't blame yourself but you also can't blame anyone else. Shitty feeling and I support him being there for the team 100%.
See I feel like depending on fan base a lot of people laugh at Perry because of the 5 final appearances one ring and 4 of those 5 appearances are in the last five years all on different teams so it's just like how? If Perry didn't have the one ring from Anaheim I would say he must be cursed .
He made the right choice, go be with your team. You win as a team and you lose as a team. As captain it shows he’s with them and doesn’t care about personal accolades.
You go out to win a cup not beat records and win awards. His only knock is he hasnt won it all and he knows it. I don’t think you could have paid him a million dollars to skate out and accept it. And I understand and respect him for what he did.
I think it would have been stupid of him to come out. No joy would be there. I think if the series was different (ended in anything less than 6 games) he would have at least given it some thought. But once it went to 7 I knew there’s no way we would see him come out to receive it unless they won.
I think you hit the nail on the head. If they lose in 6 and he wins it I think he comes out for the home fans. Makes zero sense to leave your team after a tough game 7 loss to go grab a photo with an individual achievement award all while getting booed. F that.
Esp since you're not even in your barn to see your fans despite there being a large contingent of oilers fans there(btw kudos on the oilers for pulling the invasion. I didn't know there were that many oiler fans in Florida. Leafs fans of course but oilers fans? Literally during the game you could hear the dueling lets go Panthers/oilers which imo is what the game's all about.
Lol welcome to what it's like being a Leafs fan lol. At least you get the success. My doctor literally said to me it's a good thing I have low blood pressure compared to normal because being a Leafs fan probably would've given me a heart attack by now. If u know who Steve Dangle is a few years ago he had a heart monitor attached to him and it went I think as high as 215 bpm and I think the "at rest bpm" was 150. His wife who at the time has a young boy(,his son 1 1/2 i think ) legit was worried about his health and is to this day why Steve has refused to bring it back because it stressed his wife out too much.
Yeah it honestly amazes me how strong our hearts are atypically. I think the average "Danger zone for heart attack/failure is 175 bpm" so it amazes me how at sport events theres not more heart attacks etc. i know it would depend on other factors byr good grief.
The heart is an amazing organ, taking into account that it's essentially just a stupid muscle that needs to do its thing, namely compress/decompress to pump blood.
Unlike say a kidney that filters, yet the heart can take an amazing beating and still work, especially for a long time.
And combined with the rest of the body it just sorts itself out.
In Denmark our national sports agency made a study on soldiers, when we were deployed to Afghanistan and we walked patrols with heart monitors attached to us and got measured at different intervals during deployment - I can't remember the numbers exactly, but we were running around with numbers up near, I think it was 120 or 130 as our rest BPM and spiked higher when shit happened. Yet if you asked us, it just felt like a normal day back home.
I personally have no issues with it, and I revelled in their losing the finals. But a lot of fans seemingly are up in arms about it. Say what you will about him, but the fact he chose to be with his teammates at their lowest moment instead of accepting an award none of them were focused on is not an issue.
It's also why I think the MVP shouldn't go to a member on the losing team (which I was also downvoted quite heavily for saying), you put them in a weird spot. Nobody denies his playoffs were historically great. But it's just a weird situation to be in and him not coming out is a-okay in my books. Was where he needed to be, with his team. Got a lot of flack from other Canucks fans who want to take shots at his character for not coming out. I wouldn't either.
So imo why not announced the Conn Smythe winner at the award ceremony? I mean I think 90 percent of it you know who's winning the awards which is why a lot of people don't watch but imo if u do it like they used to where NONE of the awards were announced beforehand and keep the show under 2 hours (maybe one or two live performances but that's it) I think people would watch.
This is a solid suggestion honestly. Even on the winning team no one really cares about the conn smythe, so giving it out at the awards would be a better way to shine a spotlight on that player.
Imo I think the awards that aren't stat based such as the rocket should be announced the Winner at the awards ceremony. For example regular season MVP announced it at the ceremony. I don't want to know who it is in April because then why would I watch the ceremony?
> So I'd like to hear what u guys think about McDavid refusing to come out to accept the Conn Smythe?
Depends on the motivation for not coming out.
Wanting to be the C, staying with the team and handle a pretty rough loss - Great, no worries.
Wanting to stay away and let Panthers have their limelight and attention - Sure, might have backfired and brought *more* attention to Oilers, but the intent was good - great, no worries.
If it was just because he was pissy about a loss - Fuck no, bad style bud.
At the end of the game you could see how sad and dejected he was. Maybe he needed a few minutes to collect himself and regain his composure out of the spotlight. Maybe it felt like a hollow victory in the face of losing the cup. I don't blame him.
I'm totally fine with him not coming out to accept it. Honestly, I wish they didn't even put him in that position and they figured out some other time to present it to him. Somewhere he could be with his fans and his team cheering him on.
He is absolutely a team first guy, doesn’t care about the individual accolades. I respect his decision tremendously. Especially because he obviously knew it would be a polarizing move
Anyone complaining about him not coming out for it has clearly never experienced the highs and lows of a 7 game series as the best hockey player in the world. Dumb people need to stay in their lane
Looks like Drai and MvD were both playing injured, Mcdavid likely needs abdominal surgery and Drai with a broken rib and finger.
I broke a rib at age 12 blocking a shot in 1977, I was scared to death of sneezing, coughing, farting, taking a shit and/or deep breaths.
True, but Florida players will have the same issues, and they went hard in game 7, there was no hesitation when completing the forechecking etc..
But I get it, McDavid isn't a physical player, he will be more cautious if he has a injury.
It was a good final, I like that Florida won just because I'm from Sweden and liked that they represented the north a lot (3swedes+4 finns) but if Oilers would have won in 6 at home, I think it just would have been a more deserving win because I know Canadians are more like us: pure hockey people.
Panthers are beasts man, huge respect to them and how hard they work, this series was something else. Also took years off my life! Oilers will be back and so will the Panthers.
Man as much as I’m heart broken and sad I think that was some of the most exciting hockey iv watched. Panthers wanted the cup more and won it fair and square. No refs to blame no ice to blame. Florida locked it down when they were up. Really hope mcdavid gets the cup next year but I can’t imagine being an oilers player right now. Must’ve been a lot of sobbing in the locker room and rightfully so.
McDavid is amazing and will be hof and in the discussion among all time greats. I'd hate to see the only mark against him being not winning the cup. Genuinely hope he wins one day
Imagine carrying a 100 pound backpack while running a marathon. By some miracle, you're just a few yards from the first place so you start sprinting like never before. You even end up in front of them for a few, but at the line he beats you. Every one that had a chance and lost the marathon is disappointed they couldn't win, but it is especially hard on you.
There’s definitely a range. There’s some guys that don’t especially care and are in it for the money/fame. There are some guys, like McDavid, who want it as bad as could be and will do/sacrifice anything to get it.
And then there are a lot of guys in the middle who want it bad, are super competitive, and believe they want it as bad as can be, but won’t do the things/make the sacrifices to actually get it. They’ll work hard, but not the hardest. They’ll put their health and safety over a slightly better chance to win. They want to win it all, but it doesn’t burn them up to lose like it does some players. They’re definitely mentally healthier, but they don’t necessarily want it as bad as some guys.
I only hate/dislike players who have no respect for the game. Those who take runs at people every chance they get. Players who dive or fake injuries. Like get up.
Matthew Tkachuk likes to dive. Trouba go elbow someone. Kreider go run a goalie for the 4th time. Kadri suspended. Tom wilson has really changed his ways.
Marchand im mixed like hes a great hockey player but stop trying to hurt people dude.
Most players i dislike its purely based on how they act on the ice.
I agree he wasnt doing much after the van series but thats when he broke his finger/ribs… imagine having to take shots/hits with that kind of injury… hell just walking around would be painful with a broken rib.
U could def tell he wasnt himself cuz he lost possession of the puck too easily compared to before. I always speculated he was injured and it just got confirmed the other day
He’s a great player and had me scared every time he was on shift. Everyone wants to win the cup. Wanting is par for the course. It takes a team to get it. It sucks he was so close, but Panthers were the better team in the end. They overworked him in game 7 and that made him more a liability to the Oilers than a threat to the Panthers. I look forward to next season and how he carves a new path.
It probably Hurts him worse knowing he's Injured Again ! I imagine Kane is just as worked up too.
Oil need some Enforcers to step up so their top 5-6 or so don't get ruined before the end of another season.
You see Oil D etc Avoiding Checking not finishing their plays/Checks over and over and over meanwhile their star players are getting murdered over and over.
Forwards Playing Defense - Look at some of those goals if 1 player had met Panthers mid ice and stood up those goals would have never been able to fabricate themselves but they instead Avoided the hit or retreated right into Skinners Crease.
Needs to change must stop - and the tossing pucks away under slight or no pressure without thought of where its going.
Just my 2C
How can true hockey fans not respect mcdavid? Sure you don’t need to be a fan of him, but he is easily a top 5 of all time when he retires. No need to “hate on” him.
I don’t usually notice too many people trashing McDavid. He’s the blandest human alive. I *do*, however, get a kick out of Edmonton failing time and again after being given so many chances to win over the years.
See people always bring up this point, I think the most telling stat is 5 Canadian teams have lost a Finals Game 7 since ‘93. If it had anything to do with Canadian teams being worse off, they wouldn’t be coming so close, but they make it to the finals at an almost exactly statistically average rate. And they can clearly be on the same level as those teams, as is evidenced by the fact they make it to game 7 so often. The biggest part of the “Canada Curse” is that Canadian teams have lost 5 straight game 7s, which has only a 3% chance of occurring if we assume anything can happen in a Game 7 and treat them as a coin flip.
McDavid has a lot of nights where the Oilers will win 7-2 and he has 5 points. I've never seen a player stack on so many unnecessary extra points. I know he's freakishly good, but I feel like in tighter checking games he rarely goes off. But he's the absolute best at breaking a game wide open
Mark my words, McDavid will have his name on the Stanley Cup one day. Sadly, that legendary day has not come yet. But a game 7 after a 3-0 deficit, a first time cup winner that is Florida, and a Conn Smythe—McDavid is one of the most legendary hockey players and athletes to ever live who played one of the best ever hockey games in history.
I cheered for the oilers for the same reason that I cheered for the penguins when they were in the cup final. Like Crosby, McDavid deserves a cup. They will get it next year.
I genuinely think the majority of people who want to see McDavid fail is because of how much the media slobbers over him. He’s a stand up guy, trains extremely hard without relying on just talent, good teammate, stays out of trouble, doesn’t cause drama. But the media makes him a “teachers pet” so it causes non oilers fans to want him to fail.
Most people I see hate mcdavid are just people fed up hearing about mcdavid in the media. Plus any amazing player always has haters. Met lots of people in crosbys prime that thought he was over rated.
I was one of those that thought Crosby was overrated, until he started winning everything. I’m a McDavid fanboy and always have been, but it’s more to do with how he plays and so incredibly dynamic he is. Hard not to respect that level of skill.
Yeah I'm a very casual fan of hockey; literally started paying real attention this season; and I was on board the hate train... Until the cup final series. McDavid did everything he could to will this team to a game 7, and he played with his whole heart on his sleeve, and it was an insane sight to see
he’s not real & simultaneously he’s *beyond* unreal
Schrödingers McDavid
Crosby was also objectively whiny as a younger player. McDavid's never had that issue. But yes, the main reason I was never a Sid fan but love McDavid is that his greatness is so apparent based on his playstyle. I don't understand how anyone could watch him play and go, "eh, don't really like that guy."
Watch laflammes highlight videos of Crosby on YouTube, especially his puck protection and edge work highlights, it’s mind blowing because literally no other player does what he does, and these are all highlights you’ve never seen in the media before I’ve watched plenty of mcdavid this year. He’s unstoppable the instant he gets any space. But watching entire shifts of them, there’s a difference. Mcdavid doesn’t hold on to the puck a lot on the walls, he looks for those few chances where he gets a bit of space to build speed and is amazing at scored on all of those chances. However, he doesn’t CREATE space like Crosby does Watch the videos, and while Crosby doesn’t have that speed with the puck to cut through space, he fights through wall battles with the puck, holds on to it until he has a good play, and makes smart passes even when he’s on the ground with only 1 hand on the stick. It’s a very different style, but equally great to watch.
Respectfully, McDavid creates more space than anyone who has ever played the games except maybe Gretzky. He just does it differently than Crosby. Crosby uses his insanely strong lower body and low center of gravity to bully people away. McDavid uses the fact that he is the most agile player in NHL history to separate from the other team in a single turn. To say he doesn't create space is literally insane.
You both have excellent points and honestly are probably both right. They are excellent at their respective niche skill sets. I still get in awe every time mcdavid builds up a head of steam and just flies past some of the best ice skaters this world has seen. Truly a sight to behold. I'm more biased towards Crosby being a penguins fan. His puck protection is absurd and the ability he has to create opportunities for others is second to no one. I still remember that time he bullied Jason spezza against the flames. That edge work was insane and he got a much deserved assist on the goal by Letang. Jason spezza is very skilled in his own right but he looked like a small child against Crosby out there.
You can apply that exact same logic to Sid though. His greatness was apparent from the very first shift of his NHL career. Not really getting this argument tbh. And come off it, McDavid whines all the time. It's expected when you're head and shoulders above your peers so they have to resort to fucking you up to stop you.
Sid was clearly great from the jump, but I’m referring to the aesthetic of their playstyle. It’s so obvious when McDavid is on the ice - his speed and agility with the puck are otherworldly, which makes it an entertaining brand of hockey.
Sid also got to the cup final twice in his first four or so years and had one won though too. That must count for something?
Young Sid had that too. Go watch youtube.
It's hard to find a reason why McDavid doesn't deserve a hockey-fan's (and sports in general) respect. Couldn't find a better athlete who's also not arrogant, doesn't showboat and cares more about the team than his own personal winnings.
This is exactly it. I'm not an Edmonton fan, but my media feed is filled to the brim with Mcdavid this, and Oilers that. Even after losing to Florida, it's still all oilers and Mcdavid. I've been blocking every single account that even speaks about Mcdavid or Oilers because I'm so sick of hearing about it. Just because I live an hour from Edmonton doesn't mean I suck the oil cock like every other asshole around here. Mcdavid is an S tier player but I can't stand to even hear his name anymore.
I hated Crosby because of the whining. Nowadays he's cooled off now and I love him
Thank you for providing the context to the narrative. Crosby was whiny. Mcdavid can be too. It’s about maturity and growth. Just because you’re good doesn’t mean you’re likeable.
Crosby was on another level though. I haven’t heard any fan bases chant “mcdavid sucks! Mcdavid sucks!” Not that I’ve heard, at least. Sid on the other hand … and that doesn’t come from out of no where lol
ESPN just mutes the crowd when he does it... Also, people don't hate greatness. People envy winners. McDavid ain't won enough yet to be hated.
Tbf crosby was always pretty likable. Sure on the ice he might have whined more then average but he also was a star player who got egged on anytime he was on the ice - and as viewers we'd just get zoom ins of the star complaining and remember that (likely because our teams faced pittsburgh, bias viewing and bias cameras/commentary) and not the full context. But crosby as a human was always a down to earth guy, him and his family have a fantastic reputation in halifax and nova scotia where he grew up/parents still live last i knew and he frequently visits in summer - crosby has even have been known to do casual drop ins, knock on the door style, to young fans in the area - not a part of some league or team PR effort Parents raised him right and fame never got to his head in any visible way.
Brad Marchand, case in point.
I still remember the Canucks game in a regular season in which we won 5-1, but since McDavid score the entire next day; high lights of his goal. Nothing about the Canucks winning.
I’m an Edmonton fan and mcdavid fan but that stuff just pisses me off. Even media interviewing other Edmonton players after the game just ask about mcdavid. I feel bad for everyone who has to deal with it.
I got news for everyone. It was the exact same with Gretzky. The exact same. People far and wide hated on him. Time tends to forget the haters.
And Gretzky got far more preferential treatment than McDavid does. Not just in terms of favorable calls, but no one could even touch the guy, or they'd be headhunted by Semenko or McSorely. McDavid (like Crosby) gets banged around a *lot*.
I’m old and I’ll admit it, I was a Gretzky and Lemieux hater as a young fan.
People like to cheer for the underdog.
I just like my own team. Nate MacKinnon and Cale Makar thrill me. McDavid's highlight reels are impressive but don't move me. And like a song you hear everywhere you go, it gets to where you can't even appreciate it anymore and just start to hate it. For example, McDavid won a skills competition that he himself designed based on routines he already perfected, which my guy came in second for. Is it not understandable that I didn't enjoy that fully? The league probably shouldn't have done that
This kinda feels like Steve yzerman before he won his cups.
> I genuinely think the majority of people who want to see McDavid fail is because of how much the media slobbers over him. Fully agree. And it's just unfortunate for McDavid that he has about the same charisma and media presence of a 4x4 board.
It's the generational talent curse. Every sport right now has that generational talent the media slobbers over and talks about all the time: Mahomes (NFL), LeBron (NBA), Caitlin Clark (WNBA), Shohei Othani (MLB), McDavid (NHL). Sometimes people get sick of hearing about them all the time and start to despise whenever they hear their names. Just overexposure.
I definitely felt this watching the playoffs this year. The Sportsnet bias and constant disrespect /non-discussions for the teams on the other side of the Oilers was nauseating. I've never seen anything like it. Nothing against McDavid though. He is everything you have noted above. I however do not like Draisaitl.
This is me precisely. Huge rewlspect for the guy but it's all that's every talked about. The Canucks held him shot less some games and there was no respect for the guys that smothered him. That's not mcdavids fault its the media people who can't see anything but mcdavid.
As someone who rooted for Florida the whole series I was sad for mcdavid and this is a sad moment. But the old saying “if you ain’t being hated on you ain’t doin shit” applies. Dudes a world class talent. People hate without a legit reason. That’s the way it goes
I think seeing greatness falter is sometimes more interesting than seeing greatness be great. And I mean this in a totally insecure way.
This for sure. Watching game 7, part of me wanted to see the oilers complete such an historic comeback and McDavid get the cup. But part of me also wanted Florida to win because I think it would be interesting if McDavid never wins a cup.
That’s the best point ever. Yeah the media slobs all over him I want him to win and I’m a panthers fan but I’m Ngl part of me just knows he will and when he does I know the media will be ALL over it lol
Not non oilers fans, it's fans with nothing else going on but to be sad haters. I'm a Bolts fan and damn he deserves a Cup. I don't know why people get so whiney over his attention. There is always a golden "child" player. Always, it's not challenging to ignore. I felt for him with the Conn Smythe. If he came out he abandoned his teammates. If he stayed in he's a sore loser. He was never going to win public opinion there. People can hate him all they want, but his teammates opinions are really the only ones that matter and they clearly have his back.
I don’t get this though. I didn’t hate Ovi or Crosby when they were the kings of the NHL. Didn’t want Kane, Toews, Datsyuk, Karlsson, etc to fail just because they were on another team. I just watched their highlights over and over in awe of how good they were (Dats, especially) and wished they were on my Oilers lol. McDavid is on another level as far as hype goes, I guess, but I just can’t imagine wanting such a great player to fail out of spite.
Some people just want to watch the world burn...... especially people on Reddit 😅
For me, I just want to keep hating the Oilers for wasting McDavid. I believe Edmonton is a shit organization from the top down and I want those beliefs confirmed. And I don't want them rewarded for being shit either, but really I just want myself proven right.
I just can’t see how anyone can hate on him. Dudes easily the best player in the game. That goal in game 3 was bonkers and no one could replicate that. I hope he wins it one day so no one can question his legacy
Just like they said, the media is annoying and it naturally provokes the response. The talent is undeniable, the highlights are brilliant. But you get to a point where hes getting sucked off for the most mundane shit and it becomes insufferable. Im sure ill come around to liking him in later years, i just cant stomach the peak fellatio years. Just like i did with crosby, etc
They’re haters because either they’re jealous, or think it’s edgy, or because he makes their team look like amateurs.
I feel like a lot of people don’t directly root for him just because he’s a bit of a boring example of a star player in a league. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, for all we know he could be a more interesting person without cameras on him, not that even that matters. But as far as media personalities goes, its hard to get excited about the guy. All the energy I end up having rooting for him comes just from his on ice play… which is insane, but that level of play coupled with giving something more in interviews would probably garner wider support pulling for him 🤷♂️ imo
He is a great player for sure. But he has a dud of a personality (even by athlete standards) and frankly seems a little whiny.
I agree with but I would add on how much of this series the media still wanted oilers to win. Even in the first 3 games when they weren't playing well you would hear things like "just one spark and they got this game and the series." Then when the series was tied it was "the oilers are going to do the reverse sweep." I was fine on either team winning since my team wasn't in it but I couldn't believe how much they dogged Florida. It wasn't all but it was noticeable.
I feel like PK Subban was the only one on the telecasts who wasn't openly rooting for the Oilers and McDavid.
Don’t forget there’s a tinge of jealousy, especially coming from fans of other Canadian teams, because he was seen as an instant win the cup button.
On top of 3 other 1oa’s and Draisatl at 3oa
I only wanna see him fail in Edmonton cuz they already had Gretzky, and then 3 straight 1st overalls, and then lucked into McDavid. If he were to go to any other team, I could cheer for him (wait no, not Anaheim or Toronto).
Pretty much this. My wife hates McDavid and she didn't know who he was or who he played for. She hates hearing his name 24/7 during games/commercials etc. He's crammed down everyone's throat.
That’s a fair assessment – at least for adults. One hack is to see which players the kids like. I interact with a lot of minor hockey hockey kids and they all love McDavid because he’s clearly the best and is exciting to watch
I see a lot of non oilers fans shit on Mcdavid because the media covers him a lot. I simply see it as the NHL trying to market the most skilled player of all time.
the announcers and commentators on ESPN couldn't stopped slobbering over mcdavid and the oilers for the whole series with the panthers, only PK Subban was excited for florida. if it was any other team I would've been rooting alongside them but now im glad he's sad losing against the cats lol we got our first one in franchise history!!!! WOOOO!!!!
I can respect him, doesn't mean I have to like him. Being in the Pacific division and seeing him and Drai as much as we do definitely causes some resentment lol.
As a Florida Panthers fan, I definitely chalk the hate up to how he's a golden boy for the media. Man legit seems like a stand up dude and he's definitely the best skater on the ice today. But the media treats him like he's LeBron James or something. He's great don't get me wrong but he's not the GOAT. During the series, it felt like the Panthers were playing McDavid and not the Oilers. If McDavid does this, he'll break the record if McDavid does that, he'll win the game. It's a team sport he's a part of a team. Of course I'm biased but I got really sick of hearing the announcers freak out every time McDavid got near the net while getting mildly enthused when the Panthers scored. Going into Game 7 it felt like McDavid's victory lap, as if as if McDavid wasn't playing for the Oilers
People hate mcdavid?
I don't hate him, I just dont cheer for him. Mostly because his fans and the media shove him down our throats all year long. He can do no wrong; when he loses its his teammates fault. When he wins, he carried them singlehandedly. He farts ? Media makes a posts about it. However I have nothing but respect for the skillset.
This exactly. Where was the great almighty McDavid in game 6 and 7?
I don't think it's about wanting McDavid to fail, at least it's not for me. I think objectively McDavid may be the most skilled player to ever play the game, and love watching the things he's able to pull off. However, I hate the way the Oilers are built with a roster lacking depth and defense, and wish McDavid could go somewhere that surrounded him with a little more talent. For that reason I was rooting for the Panthers to win that Final, and also I can't stand Evander Kane and don't want him to ever get his name on the cup.
Except that wasn't the case this year. The Oilers got to game 7 with depth. McDavid doesn't kill penalties and their penalty kill was so good it would still back momentum. They were +1 on the pk against florida. The Oilers had great depth scoring in the 3rd and 4th round which is evident as Drai's play dropped off after he got hurt in the Vancouver series. Ya they still have some bad players, but so do all good teams in the NHL during the salary cap era, it's the nature of the beast. And tbh, any team McDavid plays on, will in the eyes of many lack depth just due to the nature of the salary cap. But again, this years oilers were a lot different from the teams of recent years past and to say otherwise kinda just shows that you didn't watch the games......
The same thing happened with Crosby and will continue to happen to every player that is considered the face of the league. It’s just the nature of the game. As you said though, anyone who watches him knows he’s a hard working player and doesn’t give anyone a reason to dislike him.
I loved seeing the Oilers fail despite having McDavid and Draisaitl because I like the underdogs, but honestly, finally really watching them and seeing their fan base/hearing their commentary staff talk off broadcast really won me over on the team.
Have you seen mcdavid play? No one like him.
Very true, but I don't know if it's just how society has changed or what but some other all-stars when they were media hyped I don't remember everyone shitting on them as bad as he gets it. Maybe it's partially jealousy?
I hear about Matthews way more than McDavid, unless I’m looking in the wrong places. McDavid is such a joy to watch, and we’ll likely never see a talent like him for the next 5-10 years
It's a tale as old as time. People will hate him until he's.dome playing and then they'll all slobber over his career and rank among the all time greats. It happened to Gretzky, Orr, Lemieux, Crosby, LeBron, Jordan, Brady, the list goes on and on.
would never root on his downfall. his Gretzky rivaling record he's been breaking recently are a perfect reason for the media to be all over him
Has always been the same story with Sid. Funny/sad to see lots of toxicity in the Pens subreddit considering our guy has always gotten hate in the same ways and for the same reasons.
There is a lot of truth in this. They force him down our throats all year long to the point it's beyond fuckin annoying but they can't force me to like it or him. He can't fart without the media telling us about it. And this garbage about how 'nobody wants to win it more than him'. How the fuck would he know ? Has he made a quantitative census from every NHL player ?
Connor is amazing as a player and as a human. In 1983 Gretzky was beaten soundly by the islanders. He used that as motivation. They win 4/5 cups after that with Wayne. Although Wayne had other HOF players in mess kurri Coffey Andy Fuhr.
I’m very sour over the changes Bettman made with the draft lottery that sent McDavid to Edmonton instead of Buffalo. It’s not his fault at all but I have a hard time rooting for the guy because of it. Instead I get the joy of watching 13 years of non-playoff hockey and every ex Sabre win a cup.
At least some of us think McDavid is a stellar player deserving of the cup, but also don’t want to see it because Canada hasn’t won a cup since the early 90’s and it’s now a tradition. There is a certain comfort in familiarity, like watching the folks in Toronto drink with their hands because they haven’t had cups for so long.
It’s crazy how much hate he gets when he is possibly one of the most competitive players in the game today and an astonishing player to watch. I was hoping he’d be able to silence haters but it wasn’t meant to be.
Anyone still hating on McDavid after his performance in the playoffs can't be taken seriously. They're just trolls.
He’s got the hardware to prove that at least.
McDavid’s looking around and taking in the sights last night before getting off the ice scared the hell out of me. He’ll be back
it reminded me of devin booker looking around and saying damn after losing to the bucks. obviouslt mcdavid is a much bigger star and better player
Link?
2:38 I think https://youtu.be/ULz4mwoY1lg
Corey Perry: “You get used to it.”
Just watch the broadcast, he was the last oiler off the ice.
Bruh the broadcast is over already 😆
Brother YouTube exists
I don't know why people hate on McDavid, I rooted for Florida but that guy seems like a stand up guy that is a one of a kind generational talent. He too deserves the cup one day and I wish him the best.
Just once, I want to see one of these players rip the Fanatics hat off of their head and slam it down and exclaim “and Fanatics sucks !” and walk off.
For Draisaitl, that's a surprising amount of emotion that isn't "pissy". This band of brothers wants to win it for the group as much as for themselves, looking forward to next season.
I had no horse in this race, I was pulling so hard for the Oilers though. I really like your club right now and thought your fans deserved it..
Appreciate it, it was a wild season/playoffs. Would love to see a series with our two teams again, it's been almost 40 years.
The Oilers should be very proud of what they had accomplished this season. They had a rocky start and really turned it around. A lot of people underestimated this team, and time and time again, they proved them wrong. Hell of a group and hell of a coach. That coach needs major recognition.
For real.. we've got a ways to go though lol. You guys go get a cup in the meantime!
Do you think they'll keep the band together? The bottom half of the team seems to be entirely UFAs.
You keep as many as you can. Honestly, I think most will want to stay, so it really comes down to who needs to actually get paid this next contract. Vinny comes to mind, he's come into his own, has some desirable qualities some teams will want. But with how Bromberg played in the playoffs when called up, we probably can't pay him what he would want. He's getting older, he won't have many opportunities to sign a contract, so I wouldn't fault him if he goes somewhere else for a higher pay. On the flip side you have guys like Janmark that have come out already saying they would take less to stay. I do not see it being like a 21-22 flames team where most wanted out.
IMO of all the UFAs we have Foegele and Janmark would be the priority signings. The rest are nice to have but more replacement level talent. Broberg and Holloway will get small bumps with their next deal but no arbitration rights so it won’t be too much. The core of the team is basically the same barring a trade so that’s exciting
*Jumbo Thorton raises his beer mug.
So I'd like to hear what u guys think about McDavid refusing to come out to accept the Conn Smythe? IMO it's the right move because your team just lost the cup in a tight game it would seem insensitive to them if you went out to accept it and of course the Florida fans would boo you. Imo I wouldve accepted the trophy if it had been Florida in 6 to give your fans a happy moment but since it's not even in front of your fans I think he did the right thing.
Under the circumstances I have zero issue with him not coming out.
Yeah, in that moment I’m sure accepting the Conn Smythe was the last thing on his mind. He was the last off the ice and needed to be with his team.
Apparently media are saying that McDavid also hugged every single player on the team going into the Locker room.
That, and apparently he was nursing a serious abdominal injury that requires surgery, and had completely gassed himself in the last few minutes. I imagine he was popping down some painkillers.
He’d rather be doing his job as captain and be in the room with the boys during what is most likely the hardest moment in their careers up until now. Anyone who can’t understand that clearly didn’t play hockey growing up.
Or any team sport. It's one thing to fumble and fuck up and get swept. Coach will scream at you, you'll all feel like shit. To work your ass off and almost reverse sweep the series just to be beaten in game 7? Devastating. You did what you had to do and it wasn't enough, you can't blame yourself but you also can't blame anyone else. Shitty feeling and I support him being there for the team 100%.
Except for Perry, he is used to it.
Beat me to it. Lol. Poor guy
See I feel like depending on fan base a lot of people laugh at Perry because of the 5 final appearances one ring and 4 of those 5 appearances are in the last five years all on different teams so it's just like how? If Perry didn't have the one ring from Anaheim I would say he must be cursed .
Put money on whatever team perry gets moved to next year to make it to the finals.
I feel like usually they present it a lot faster than that. That seemed like a really long delay for the presentation.
He made the right choice, go be with your team. You win as a team and you lose as a team. As captain it shows he’s with them and doesn’t care about personal accolades.
You go out to win a cup not beat records and win awards. His only knock is he hasnt won it all and he knows it. I don’t think you could have paid him a million dollars to skate out and accept it. And I understand and respect him for what he did.
Not a fan of Connor or the oilers at all. This is the right move. Dude is devastated he lost. Leave him alone.
Out of left field take: That thing is so stupidly pointy I wouldn't go near it
The Iron Throne of trophies
I think it would have been stupid of him to come out. No joy would be there. I think if the series was different (ended in anything less than 6 games) he would have at least given it some thought. But once it went to 7 I knew there’s no way we would see him come out to receive it unless they won.
I think you hit the nail on the head. If they lose in 6 and he wins it I think he comes out for the home fans. Makes zero sense to leave your team after a tough game 7 loss to go grab a photo with an individual achievement award all while getting booed. F that.
Esp since you're not even in your barn to see your fans despite there being a large contingent of oilers fans there(btw kudos on the oilers for pulling the invasion. I didn't know there were that many oiler fans in Florida. Leafs fans of course but oilers fans? Literally during the game you could hear the dueling lets go Panthers/oilers which imo is what the game's all about.
There’s a lot of canadian transplants in south florida, especially sunrise
BTW congrats to you on your team winning the cup
Thank you, also congratulate my heart, which kept pumping at a solid 175 bpm and did not stop until 4 am. I have never been more stressed
Lol welcome to what it's like being a Leafs fan lol. At least you get the success. My doctor literally said to me it's a good thing I have low blood pressure compared to normal because being a Leafs fan probably would've given me a heart attack by now. If u know who Steve Dangle is a few years ago he had a heart monitor attached to him and it went I think as high as 215 bpm and I think the "at rest bpm" was 150. His wife who at the time has a young boy(,his son 1 1/2 i think ) legit was worried about his health and is to this day why Steve has refused to bring it back because it stressed his wife out too much.
Yeah my buddy had his Fitbit on and you can see the spike during the 3rd haha
Yeah it honestly amazes me how strong our hearts are atypically. I think the average "Danger zone for heart attack/failure is 175 bpm" so it amazes me how at sport events theres not more heart attacks etc. i know it would depend on other factors byr good grief.
The heart is an amazing organ, taking into account that it's essentially just a stupid muscle that needs to do its thing, namely compress/decompress to pump blood. Unlike say a kidney that filters, yet the heart can take an amazing beating and still work, especially for a long time. And combined with the rest of the body it just sorts itself out. In Denmark our national sports agency made a study on soldiers, when we were deployed to Afghanistan and we walked patrols with heart monitors attached to us and got measured at different intervals during deployment - I can't remember the numbers exactly, but we were running around with numbers up near, I think it was 120 or 130 as our rest BPM and spiked higher when shit happened. Yet if you asked us, it just felt like a normal day back home.
I personally have no issues with it, and I revelled in their losing the finals. But a lot of fans seemingly are up in arms about it. Say what you will about him, but the fact he chose to be with his teammates at their lowest moment instead of accepting an award none of them were focused on is not an issue. It's also why I think the MVP shouldn't go to a member on the losing team (which I was also downvoted quite heavily for saying), you put them in a weird spot. Nobody denies his playoffs were historically great. But it's just a weird situation to be in and him not coming out is a-okay in my books. Was where he needed to be, with his team. Got a lot of flack from other Canucks fans who want to take shots at his character for not coming out. I wouldn't either.
So imo why not announced the Conn Smythe winner at the award ceremony? I mean I think 90 percent of it you know who's winning the awards which is why a lot of people don't watch but imo if u do it like they used to where NONE of the awards were announced beforehand and keep the show under 2 hours (maybe one or two live performances but that's it) I think people would watch.
This is a solid suggestion honestly. Even on the winning team no one really cares about the conn smythe, so giving it out at the awards would be a better way to shine a spotlight on that player.
Imo I think the awards that aren't stat based such as the rocket should be announced the Winner at the awards ceremony. For example regular season MVP announced it at the ceremony. I don't want to know who it is in April because then why would I watch the ceremony?
> So I'd like to hear what u guys think about McDavid refusing to come out to accept the Conn Smythe? Depends on the motivation for not coming out. Wanting to be the C, staying with the team and handle a pretty rough loss - Great, no worries. Wanting to stay away and let Panthers have their limelight and attention - Sure, might have backfired and brought *more* attention to Oilers, but the intent was good - great, no worries. If it was just because he was pissy about a loss - Fuck no, bad style bud.
I think he already had his gear off and didn't want to come out in his undies. Everyone is overthinking it
At the end of the game you could see how sad and dejected he was. Maybe he needed a few minutes to collect himself and regain his composure out of the spotlight. Maybe it felt like a hollow victory in the face of losing the cup. I don't blame him.
I'm totally fine with him not coming out to accept it. Honestly, I wish they didn't even put him in that position and they figured out some other time to present it to him. Somewhere he could be with his fans and his team cheering him on.
Anyone who gives him flack is an idiot
He is absolutely a team first guy, doesn’t care about the individual accolades. I respect his decision tremendously. Especially because he obviously knew it would be a polarizing move
Anyone complaining about him not coming out for it has clearly never experienced the highs and lows of a 7 game series as the best hockey player in the world. Dumb people need to stay in their lane
Fuck man… 😭
Hurts to watch this
Looks like Drai and MvD were both playing injured, Mcdavid likely needs abdominal surgery and Drai with a broken rib and finger. I broke a rib at age 12 blocking a shot in 1977, I was scared to death of sneezing, coughing, farting, taking a shit and/or deep breaths.
True, but Florida players will have the same issues, and they went hard in game 7, there was no hesitation when completing the forechecking etc.. But I get it, McDavid isn't a physical player, he will be more cautious if he has a injury. It was a good final, I like that Florida won just because I'm from Sweden and liked that they represented the north a lot (3swedes+4 finns) but if Oilers would have won in 6 at home, I think it just would have been a more deserving win because I know Canadians are more like us: pure hockey people.
They are a great team with a great coach. I have no doubt McDavid gets his cup.
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Good series. You guys took 5 years off my life this month. Tampa hasn’t even done that.
Panthers are beasts man, huge respect to them and how hard they work, this series was something else. Also took years off my life! Oilers will be back and so will the Panthers.
Next year let’s pick a neutral location and try to knock this out in under two weeks.
This was such a wholesome exchange between fans of the 2 teams who just played in the finals. You guys are amazing
Man as much as I’m heart broken and sad I think that was some of the most exciting hockey iv watched. Panthers wanted the cup more and won it fair and square. No refs to blame no ice to blame. Florida locked it down when they were up. Really hope mcdavid gets the cup next year but I can’t imagine being an oilers player right now. Must’ve been a lot of sobbing in the locker room and rightfully so.
It was a great series and game 7 didn’t disappoint. Both teams clawed. That last push by Edmonton took years off my life.
Kulak was to blame for the winning goal. Can’t give the offense that much space in that situation
I read McDavid will be going in for surgery, hope he recovers soon and the team can get some depth for early in the season so he can be 100% again.
How can you not love hockey
McDavid is amazing and will be hof and in the discussion among all time greats. I'd hate to see the only mark against him being not winning the cup. Genuinely hope he wins one day
That's inspirational as fuck. "He does every single thing right every single day just to win 1 day" Damnnnnnnn
So does literally every other person in the league I'd imagine
Imagine carrying a 100 pound backpack while running a marathon. By some miracle, you're just a few yards from the first place so you start sprinting like never before. You even end up in front of them for a few, but at the line he beats you. Every one that had a chance and lost the marathon is disappointed they couldn't win, but it is especially hard on you.
I’d certainly be hard on myself. Should have left the backpack at home.
In this case, the 100lbs backpack is the oilers. Take the backpack off...
I get the analogy, it's hard to not win but it's harder when you are so close.
There’s definitely a range. There’s some guys that don’t especially care and are in it for the money/fame. There are some guys, like McDavid, who want it as bad as could be and will do/sacrifice anything to get it. And then there are a lot of guys in the middle who want it bad, are super competitive, and believe they want it as bad as can be, but won’t do the things/make the sacrifices to actually get it. They’ll work hard, but not the hardest. They’ll put their health and safety over a slightly better chance to win. They want to win it all, but it doesn’t burn them up to lose like it does some players. They’re definitely mentally healthier, but they don’t necessarily want it as bad as some guys.
Drai would stab a man in the balls for him
Edmonton played their balls off in the finals, it's too bad they came up one shot short of tying the game, no puck luck either.
I only hate/dislike players who have no respect for the game. Those who take runs at people every chance they get. Players who dive or fake injuries. Like get up. Matthew Tkachuk likes to dive. Trouba go elbow someone. Kreider go run a goalie for the 4th time. Kadri suspended. Tom wilson has really changed his ways. Marchand im mixed like hes a great hockey player but stop trying to hurt people dude. Most players i dislike its purely based on how they act on the ice.
Well maybe you ALL should be on this level of wanting to win??
They will be back!
Then show up Leon, enough with the coasting!
I agree he wasnt doing much after the van series but thats when he broke his finger/ribs… imagine having to take shots/hits with that kind of injury… hell just walking around would be painful with a broken rib. U could def tell he wasnt himself cuz he lost possession of the puck too easily compared to before. I always speculated he was injured and it just got confirmed the other day
He’s a great player and had me scared every time he was on shift. Everyone wants to win the cup. Wanting is par for the course. It takes a team to get it. It sucks he was so close, but Panthers were the better team in the end. They overworked him in game 7 and that made him more a liability to the Oilers than a threat to the Panthers. I look forward to next season and how he carves a new path.
It's crazy that he is hated just like Crosby is/was, like Lebron. We're witnessing greatness, appreciate it while you can.
Game 7 was pure luck luck.
It probably Hurts him worse knowing he's Injured Again ! I imagine Kane is just as worked up too. Oil need some Enforcers to step up so their top 5-6 or so don't get ruined before the end of another season. You see Oil D etc Avoiding Checking not finishing their plays/Checks over and over and over meanwhile their star players are getting murdered over and over. Forwards Playing Defense - Look at some of those goals if 1 player had met Panthers mid ice and stood up those goals would have never been able to fabricate themselves but they instead Avoided the hit or retreated right into Skinners Crease. Needs to change must stop - and the tossing pucks away under slight or no pressure without thought of where its going. Just my 2C
How can true hockey fans not respect mcdavid? Sure you don’t need to be a fan of him, but he is easily a top 5 of all time when he retires. No need to “hate on” him.
I don’t usually notice too many people trashing McDavid. He’s the blandest human alive. I *do*, however, get a kick out of Edmonton failing time and again after being given so many chances to win over the years.
I’ll make sure to pour some beer out for him while I’m at the parade celebrating on Sunday. Go Panthers 🏆
Makes sense. McDavid gave it everything he had. Had Draisaitl played D the first three games, they would’ve won. So he prolly feels guilty.
Mark my words, the minute McDavid is not an Oiler player anymore, his future team will go on to win back to back championships.
Soon as he’s on an American team he’s got a chance I wish I was wrong but clearly each year I’m proven right Canadian teams will not win the cup
See people always bring up this point, I think the most telling stat is 5 Canadian teams have lost a Finals Game 7 since ‘93. If it had anything to do with Canadian teams being worse off, they wouldn’t be coming so close, but they make it to the finals at an almost exactly statistically average rate. And they can clearly be on the same level as those teams, as is evidenced by the fact they make it to game 7 so often. The biggest part of the “Canada Curse” is that Canadian teams have lost 5 straight game 7s, which has only a 3% chance of occurring if we assume anything can happen in a Game 7 and treat them as a coin flip.
You dont think it was a chance when they lost g7 finals with 1 goal. Lol.
He wants to win it just as badly as every other player that hasn’t won one yet ffs lol
I think the pressure on McDavid to wjn is a lot harder than anyone else
He is the best player in the world so most definitely
Please re-sign this man!
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Draisaitl and McDavid were the reasons I was cheering fort Edmonton. I also like that Paul Maurice won a cup
So upset he could punch a man in the nuts.
Lmao crying little bitch
McDavid has a lot of nights where the Oilers will win 7-2 and he has 5 points. I've never seen a player stack on so many unnecessary extra points. I know he's freakishly good, but I feel like in tighter checking games he rarely goes off. But he's the absolute best at breaking a game wide open
Mark my words, McDavid will have his name on the Stanley Cup one day. Sadly, that legendary day has not come yet. But a game 7 after a 3-0 deficit, a first time cup winner that is Florida, and a Conn Smythe—McDavid is one of the most legendary hockey players and athletes to ever live who played one of the best ever hockey games in history.
The GAME gives him so much, show a little respect and accept the trophy, POOR LOSER
Come on，you are the best！
McDavid will win one at some point he’s to good there is 0 doubt in my mind , the question is will it be w Edmonton
He became emotional when?
Honestly, I want McDavid to get one.. just not with Oilers!
You think those tears are sweet or salty? (Flames fan)
I cheered for the oilers for the same reason that I cheered for the penguins when they were in the cup final. Like Crosby, McDavid deserves a cup. They will get it next year.