Not surprising. The standards aren't there and when I taught a course there, it became clear they were more focused on keeping international students happy than focusing on educational standards and excellence.
This right here. I attended trade school there in 2019, 2021 and again this past fall. The difference was night and day from the beginning. It was blatantly obvious they are just catering to international studemts
Legitimately this! I went to Fanshawe in 2022 to escape ~~hell~~ Farm Boy and an international student OUTRIGHT PLAGIARIZED my work! Nothing was done about it either, despite MULTIPLE complaints.
Also, most of the students in my class from a certain region would absolutely do *none* of the group work. It was so bad, I told one of the professors in my last semester that I must pick my own group or I will work alone. Thankfully, the majority of the domestic students convinced the professor to let us pick our own groups by saying the same thing. My group scored one of the highest grades, the international students scored lowest.
Lastly, it absolutely IRKED me that they had to attend class to pass but they straight up never showed up. They’d show up a half hour to a full hour late for exams and they’d still be okay to take them! One professor told me that the professors were afraid to say anything because the international students just have to accuse them of racism and they’re out of a job.
Thank God there’s a cap. We need quality students not moochers who only use Canada as a stepping stone into the USA.
Lol seriously. Its like they're cutting the only programs that actually have standards for graduation. I dunno how this actually solves their problem.
Can't have international students so they cut the programs popular with domestic students? Even if the admin is acting in pure self interest / corrupt intent it makes no sense.
That’s what happens when they get used to the dough that comes with the flood of internationals, reverting to the numbers they had before the flood no longer puts that big profit in their pocket
I’m surprised many of these sound like useful programs vs supply chain management, hopefully they’re not doing everything they can to keep the international student supply chain management equivalent programs in place of useful courses
Agreed. I looked over the list of programs to be cut and thought a number of them appeared useful. There may be others close though. It will be a big drop in money though for the college.
> hopefully they’re not doing everything they can to keep the international student supply chain management equivalent programs in place of useful courses
Ofc they are, domestic students don't pay the bills and it makes the cap look bad when they kill the useful programs.
I’ve worked with a few alleged grads of Supply Chain Mgmt that were international students. Every single one of them was absolutely useless. Most didn’t last more than 3 months, when it became obvious that they didn’t know anything. They turned that workplace into a revolving door.
Upper management has since put kybosh on hiring anyone that graduated after 2020, due to the undue strain it put on HR.
Damn, programs at their Frost Campus appear to be heavily affected by this. It’s a shame - I graduated from there and their environmental programs were very good at the time.
I was in the Conservation and Environmental Law Enforcement (NRL) program a little more than a decade ago. It was very competitive and well taught, only 1/3 of those enrolled in September made it to graduation. It had no international students at the time.
Surprised that they would cut programs that are highly regarded in the field with a solid reputation. Cuts to other programs on the list make sense but others will come at a big loss for domestic students.
I guess it’s a case of a surgeon having to amputate a limb to save the. body.
I took NRL as well (~8 years ago) and same thing. Only domestic students, very competitive acceptance, and the only program of its kind in Ontario. A damn shame.
Graduated from Fish and Wildlife last year. Still a great program, still vast majority domestic students. I actually can only recall ever encountering one international student in F&W, a girl from France.
In our GIS batch of 40 students there were 4-5 brown, 2-3 Phills and the rest local Canadian. This was last year for the frost campus where I felt the majority were local unlike some other colleges around GTA where you feel you teleported to India.
I’m all for the reductions of international students and removing all these no name colleges, a side effect will mean that all these colleges and universities who hired like crazy these past 3 years will be laying off staff like crazy.
Currently in their GIS program. They're making cuts and completly revamping that program. So it won't be nearly as in depth and will cover maybe 60% of what they cover now(?) Just glad I'm graduating now before it all goes to shit haha
I was a contract instructor there until 2022 when I gave up because of the quality of students in my program. Out of 65 students 3 were domestic in my class. The program I taught isn’t on this list. Many of the programs they’re cutting aren’t the ones international students take so they’re definitely hurting domestic students to protect the cash grab they have left.
I don’t get it, it just doesn’t make sense. Why wouldn’t they make the cuts to the course with higher international students since that’s the student body that will be reduced🤷🏼♀️. Hid I’m so glad my kids are finished school🤦🏼♀️
Problem is Admins know the value of Admins, but does anyone really know what a "teacher" contributes to an educational enterprise? Surely whatever value they add can be replaced with even more administration right?
Hospitals are the same.
Can’t hire clinical staff. But always have money for a new admin assistant.
It’s because directors and VPs see their workload as overwhelming and can justify hiring someone to help. Because it’s about them
But they can’t understand why a unit needs more dieticians, or social workers, or PSWs, or nurses
My mom was a nurse. Her last full time job before she retired, she was on a team of about a dozen nurses. That team had an assistant supervisor, a supervisor, an assistant manager and a manager. The manager at least had other teams report to them, but the other three were just for my mom's team, and almost everything needed to be approved by all 4 of them.
But surely if they'd gotten a deputy assistant supervisor / manager things would have gone so much smoother!
I also work in healthcare.
This is true everywhere.
Nothing gets done because every admin wants their input on very common sense things
Want to try a new product? Takes 15 people to decide on using it. And everyone has an opinion. Even the managers 10 years out of practice who haven’t touched a patient in any recent time.
Half the comments I see is nursing pseudo-science bullshit that doesn’t even make biological sense.
And I’m a nurse.
I see these email chains and just want to say “wtf”. That’s not how it works.
I swear there are people whose job is replying to email chains, offering stupid advice, and then moving onto the next email
Like nothing ever gets done and nothing changes.
Thats because many nurses dont want to spend their entire career “on the floor.”
So pointless management positions are created. Suprised that logic never made it to schools, which generally only have guidance and pricipal/vp.
hell, university admins know what their job is - to prop up an institution whose main product is offering an "experience" to rich kids.
Every academic I know seethes about endless layers of committee-member provost-y whatevers whose job is to ...well no one is quite sure. Provide mission based leadership fundamentals and key advice to senior stakeholders?
At least in Wellington's peninsular armies, provosts got special hats.
Forgive me for calling you out on this, but it’s insulting for you to use the word “academia” in the same sentence as flaming (or any other of these garbage institutions).
The Frost campus (environmental), where most of the cuts are happening, is very different than the main campus in Peterborough. Very high standards for most of the programs with average graduation rate across all environmental programs at 60%.
Graduates from Fleming Frost campus are highly sought after in the environmental/conservation field and the student base at the frost campus are mostly domestic students.
Did you just cite a 60% graduation rate (that’s almost half of the students not passing) as a positive?!
Again- these are all garbage schools including the “better” programs you mention.
Yes that’s a positive. Lots of classes work off of an 80% marking scheme to pass the course, anything below and you fail. 60% graduation rate weeds out the people that A) don’t put in the work and B) simply aren’t good enough. This ensures employers that they are receiving high quality graduates and is why graduates from the Frost campus are highly sought after by the MNR, conservation authorities, and Ontario/Canada parks.
I’ve studied zoology in university, have completed wildlife conservation programs in South Africa and can say that the Fleming Frost campus provides a top notch education in the conservation field.
"These 29 programs at Fleming will be suspended, the college reports:
Business – Accounting (BAC)
Business – HR (BHC)
Conservation and Environmental Law Enforcement (NRL)
Ecological Restoration (ERJ)
Ecosystem Management Technology (EMX, EPX, EPD, EMD)
Electrical Power Generation (EPG)
Emergency Management (EMP)
Environmental Technician (ETN)
Environmental Technology (ETY)
Environmental Visual Communication (EVC)
Fish & Wildlife Technology (FW)
GAS Environmental & Natural Resource Studies (GSN)
General Arts & Science University Transfer (GSU)
GIS Applications (GIA) & GIS Applications Online (GAO)
GIS Cartographic (GC)
Global Business (GBS)
Health, Safety and Environmental Compliance (HSE)
Heavy Equipment Techniques (MPH)
International Business Management (IBM)
Law Clerk (LCK)
Marketing Management (MKT)
Mechatronics (MTY)
Project Management (PMG)
Recreation & Leisure Services (RLS)
Supply Chain (SCL)
Therapeutic Recreation (THR)
Urban Forestry (UF)
Urban Forestry Technician (UFT)
Waste Resource Management (SWM)"
I did the GIS program remotely in 2021 and was disappointed on so many levels, but this is a sad solution. So many natural resource management programs gone...
Mostly the Lindsay campus, which has some very good programs. Will be interesting to see how many upper level staff are spared. Huge loss to the school and surrounding community.
The town of lindsay is celebrating the student cap... 3200 of 4300 students at the frost campus are foreign, and lindsay is 24000 people.... rent in lindsay is higher than most cities but you don't hear about it, 500 dollars a month to share 3 to 1 room us now comon.
30% is the admitted amount at frost, witch seems to he getting the largest cut of Flemings international students
https://www.kawartha411.ca/2024/04/24/fleming-college-cutting-programs-in-wake-of-cap-on-international-students/
That doesn't say Frost, that says "30% of the college’s student body". Refering to the campuses in Peterborough, Haliburton, and Lindsay. Most of the international students are over at the Peterborough campus.
I've probably had maybe 5-10 international students in my classes at Frost campus over the past two semesters. Even then it was mostly people going into the drilling and blasting program which is the only program of it's kind in Canada.
Buahaha more then that get on the orange bus to frost at 8am in the morning.... 50+ per bus load..... 8 live on my floor on colborne st alone.... in an 2 bedroom subletted apartment ( they are working to evict them now)
Damn that lowkey sucks. I got all domestic students in my rental over on Durham Street West. Paying $650 for a private bedroom and only like 5-10 minute walk from campus.
Lindsay has issues with not enough housing for students, but it's actually cheaper than most student housing in college towns. What you're paying $500 for in Lindsay is closer to $800 in Peterborough.
I lived in Lindsay for 3.5 years in student houses. 4 different houses total (had trouble getting longer than 4 month leases for the first bit). Rent ranged from $500-650. Never shared a room, can't recall ever seeing more than one or two listings for shared rooms. These are issues at all Ontario post-secondary institutions currently, but it isn't a huge one in Lindsay. The issue there is more a simply lack of availability than issues with the quality of the housing*, it is very hard to secure a room due to high demand.
*Beyond the normal student living woes like messy roommates and overbearing landlords.
Currently looking for a room in Peterborough, and stressed the fuck out about how much more pricy and how much worse the rooms look than Lindsay.
Lindsay's had a housing issue since the 90s recession. They never really tried to recover. Wages being lower then other cities hasn't changed for the locals. Unless you have a degree and get one of the few jobs that need it.
I grew up in Fenelon Falls, before the Tim Horton's existed.
Lindsay could have followed Kitchener/Waterloo in terms of encouraging developers to buy up slum lord properties and turn them into multi-plex apartments. Would work really great for generating the economic growth in the construction industry.
Given the courses they’ve chosen to cut, it’s easy to criticize them for their decisions but Fleming is a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. Colleges and universities are underfunded - they rely on international students to keep the lights on so-to-speak.
Also, housing was neglected. The problems were obviously coming, but not politically
Important/popular enough to do anything about until now. These two problems combined and now we have the symptoms of the problems laying themselves bare in front of us.
I think universities should be the last to cut the international students. At least they're studying at an accredited university.
How about we ban every single fucking strip mall college first. They are the real problem. With their BS 18 month backdoor PR diplomas.
but Dofu supports the private model. Starve public colleges of funding. Watch them twist. They innovate and pump up International. Feds cut that. Ontario Colleges will die out, and strip mall education will move right in.
When I went to post secondary, there weren't any international students in my program in 4 years. It's been all about the money grab and now the international students were taking up valuable spots that prevented our own residents from attending. Including medical, pharmacy and engineering students. We need those professionals here but the international students leave and we have shortages. Or they stay and expect to be granted permanent residents after working for a short time. Many bring their families over and don't work and were supported by taxpayers who can't get into the programs we want.
Simple solution is require a higher percentage of on campus housing, and ban satteliete campuses.
I can see the logic for a bay st campus for MBA schools. But these colleges and low tier universities like Algoma are setting up in the GTA without providing any infrastructure.
Satellite campuses are useful to extending a college’s reach to smaller communities that may not be able to support a standalone college. Fanshawe, for example has Woodstock as one of its satellite campuses.
And no, some programs can’t be taught online.
Thats fair, But Algoma has more students in Brampton and Mississauga than in the Soo.
Yet no housing, no athletics, no library. It isnt fair to the communities or the students.
Fleming college has 1 of the top 3 GIS programs in the country. It's a well recognized college. Ontario's cut to their base funding is why they needed so many international students in the first place.
Not surprising. The standards aren't there and when I taught a course there, it became clear they were more focused on keeping international students happy than focusing on educational standards and excellence.
Dare I say it’s become like this at most colleges. It was when I attended 6 years ago.
This right here. I attended trade school there in 2019, 2021 and again this past fall. The difference was night and day from the beginning. It was blatantly obvious they are just catering to international studemts
Legitimately this! I went to Fanshawe in 2022 to escape ~~hell~~ Farm Boy and an international student OUTRIGHT PLAGIARIZED my work! Nothing was done about it either, despite MULTIPLE complaints. Also, most of the students in my class from a certain region would absolutely do *none* of the group work. It was so bad, I told one of the professors in my last semester that I must pick my own group or I will work alone. Thankfully, the majority of the domestic students convinced the professor to let us pick our own groups by saying the same thing. My group scored one of the highest grades, the international students scored lowest. Lastly, it absolutely IRKED me that they had to attend class to pass but they straight up never showed up. They’d show up a half hour to a full hour late for exams and they’d still be okay to take them! One professor told me that the professors were afraid to say anything because the international students just have to accuse them of racism and they’re out of a job. Thank God there’s a cap. We need quality students not moochers who only use Canada as a stepping stone into the USA.
Ah, the programs with the most domestic students, interesting
just my thoughts. so many environmental programs gone
Lol seriously. Its like they're cutting the only programs that actually have standards for graduation. I dunno how this actually solves their problem. Can't have international students so they cut the programs popular with domestic students? Even if the admin is acting in pure self interest / corrupt intent it makes no sense.
That’s what happens when they get used to the dough that comes with the flood of internationals, reverting to the numbers they had before the flood no longer puts that big profit in their pocket
I was waiting to see hotel management..
I’m surprised many of these sound like useful programs vs supply chain management, hopefully they’re not doing everything they can to keep the international student supply chain management equivalent programs in place of useful courses
Agreed. I looked over the list of programs to be cut and thought a number of them appeared useful. There may be others close though. It will be a big drop in money though for the college.
They're cutting all the programs that have a sizable domestic student population.
They are using that to make a statement
> hopefully they’re not doing everything they can to keep the international student supply chain management equivalent programs in place of useful courses Ofc they are, domestic students don't pay the bills and it makes the cap look bad when they kill the useful programs.
I’ve worked with a few alleged grads of Supply Chain Mgmt that were international students. Every single one of them was absolutely useless. Most didn’t last more than 3 months, when it became obvious that they didn’t know anything. They turned that workplace into a revolving door. Upper management has since put kybosh on hiring anyone that graduated after 2020, due to the undue strain it put on HR.
Damn, programs at their Frost Campus appear to be heavily affected by this. It’s a shame - I graduated from there and their environmental programs were very good at the time.
I was in the Conservation and Environmental Law Enforcement (NRL) program a little more than a decade ago. It was very competitive and well taught, only 1/3 of those enrolled in September made it to graduation. It had no international students at the time. Surprised that they would cut programs that are highly regarded in the field with a solid reputation. Cuts to other programs on the list make sense but others will come at a big loss for domestic students. I guess it’s a case of a surgeon having to amputate a limb to save the. body.
I took NRL as well (~8 years ago) and same thing. Only domestic students, very competitive acceptance, and the only program of its kind in Ontario. A damn shame.
Now they are nothing but a cash grab, 3200 of 4300 students are foreign in a town of 24k
Graduated from Fish and Wildlife last year. Still a great program, still vast majority domestic students. I actually can only recall ever encountering one international student in F&W, a girl from France.
Literally no foreign students in the conservation law program when I was there.
In our GIS batch of 40 students there were 4-5 brown, 2-3 Phills and the rest local Canadian. This was last year for the frost campus where I felt the majority were local unlike some other colleges around GTA where you feel you teleported to India.
The post graduate GIS program in 2017 was almost all Ontario University graduates. Think we have maybe 1-2 students that were truly international.
Every college president planned their finances on international students, now they’re all making cuts.
WTF did people think would happen? Get rid of the foreign fees and you get rid of the bulk of the school’s income. This is just the beginning…
I’m all for the reductions of international students and removing all these no name colleges, a side effect will mean that all these colleges and universities who hired like crazy these past 3 years will be laying off staff like crazy.
Fleming College is a far cry from a no name college
Wasn’t talking about this school in particular
Pretty sad. I know their GIS program was top notch. Sad that the most niche programs got cut.
Currently in their GIS program. They're making cuts and completly revamping that program. So it won't be nearly as in depth and will cover maybe 60% of what they cover now(?) Just glad I'm graduating now before it all goes to shit haha
Whelp. It’s all gone now. I’m glad I graduated back in 2021.
That sucks. I did their post graduate GIS program on 2017. Absolutely amazing.
Wow that’s so sad. Good for you for being on the other side of it! Currently in a GIS post grad and there’s so much depth to the subject
I was a contract instructor there until 2022 when I gave up because of the quality of students in my program. Out of 65 students 3 were domestic in my class. The program I taught isn’t on this list. Many of the programs they’re cutting aren’t the ones international students take so they’re definitely hurting domestic students to protect the cash grab they have left.
I graduated from the NRL program which was 100% domestic. It has been axed. Fleming was the only college to offer the program 🥲
I don’t get it, it just doesn’t make sense. Why wouldn’t they make the cuts to the course with higher international students since that’s the student body that will be reduced🤷🏼♀️. Hid I’m so glad my kids are finished school🤦🏼♀️
As someone who enjoyed being at Fleming: adapt or die. There is a lot of fat to cut at the top of the ladder in academia.
And you can rest assured that the useless overpaid bums in admin will NOT be the first to be cut.
Problem is Admins know the value of Admins, but does anyone really know what a "teacher" contributes to an educational enterprise? Surely whatever value they add can be replaced with even more administration right?
Hospitals are the same. Can’t hire clinical staff. But always have money for a new admin assistant. It’s because directors and VPs see their workload as overwhelming and can justify hiring someone to help. Because it’s about them But they can’t understand why a unit needs more dieticians, or social workers, or PSWs, or nurses
My mom was a nurse. Her last full time job before she retired, she was on a team of about a dozen nurses. That team had an assistant supervisor, a supervisor, an assistant manager and a manager. The manager at least had other teams report to them, but the other three were just for my mom's team, and almost everything needed to be approved by all 4 of them. But surely if they'd gotten a deputy assistant supervisor / manager things would have gone so much smoother!
I also work in healthcare. This is true everywhere. Nothing gets done because every admin wants their input on very common sense things Want to try a new product? Takes 15 people to decide on using it. And everyone has an opinion. Even the managers 10 years out of practice who haven’t touched a patient in any recent time. Half the comments I see is nursing pseudo-science bullshit that doesn’t even make biological sense. And I’m a nurse. I see these email chains and just want to say “wtf”. That’s not how it works.
The sensible ones are overwhelmed with work and have no time for email threads or committees, therefore the vicious cycle continues.
I swear there are people whose job is replying to email chains, offering stupid advice, and then moving onto the next email Like nothing ever gets done and nothing changes.
Thats because many nurses dont want to spend their entire career “on the floor.” So pointless management positions are created. Suprised that logic never made it to schools, which generally only have guidance and pricipal/vp.
Nurses don’t wanna stay on the floor because of bs like this. If you can’t beat ‘em join em type of mentality if it’s already every man for himself
You are giving someone an idea I betcha
hell, university admins know what their job is - to prop up an institution whose main product is offering an "experience" to rich kids. Every academic I know seethes about endless layers of committee-member provost-y whatevers whose job is to ...well no one is quite sure. Provide mission based leadership fundamentals and key advice to senior stakeholders? At least in Wellington's peninsular armies, provosts got special hats.
The people in charge of making cuts rarely decide to layoff themselves.
That's because everyone is friends with each other. It's easier to say goodbye to low enrollment in courses than it is to cherished colleagues!
Forgive me for calling you out on this, but it’s insulting for you to use the word “academia” in the same sentence as flaming (or any other of these garbage institutions).
The Frost campus (environmental), where most of the cuts are happening, is very different than the main campus in Peterborough. Very high standards for most of the programs with average graduation rate across all environmental programs at 60%. Graduates from Fleming Frost campus are highly sought after in the environmental/conservation field and the student base at the frost campus are mostly domestic students.
Did you just cite a 60% graduation rate (that’s almost half of the students not passing) as a positive?! Again- these are all garbage schools including the “better” programs you mention.
Yes that’s a positive. Lots of classes work off of an 80% marking scheme to pass the course, anything below and you fail. 60% graduation rate weeds out the people that A) don’t put in the work and B) simply aren’t good enough. This ensures employers that they are receiving high quality graduates and is why graduates from the Frost campus are highly sought after by the MNR, conservation authorities, and Ontario/Canada parks. I’ve studied zoology in university, have completed wildlife conservation programs in South Africa and can say that the Fleming Frost campus provides a top notch education in the conservation field.
Fleming has many accredited programs that are not just diploma mills.
"These 29 programs at Fleming will be suspended, the college reports: Business – Accounting (BAC) Business – HR (BHC) Conservation and Environmental Law Enforcement (NRL) Ecological Restoration (ERJ) Ecosystem Management Technology (EMX, EPX, EPD, EMD) Electrical Power Generation (EPG) Emergency Management (EMP) Environmental Technician (ETN) Environmental Technology (ETY) Environmental Visual Communication (EVC) Fish & Wildlife Technology (FW) GAS Environmental & Natural Resource Studies (GSN) General Arts & Science University Transfer (GSU) GIS Applications (GIA) & GIS Applications Online (GAO) GIS Cartographic (GC) Global Business (GBS) Health, Safety and Environmental Compliance (HSE) Heavy Equipment Techniques (MPH) International Business Management (IBM) Law Clerk (LCK) Marketing Management (MKT) Mechatronics (MTY) Project Management (PMG) Recreation & Leisure Services (RLS) Supply Chain (SCL) Therapeutic Recreation (THR) Urban Forestry (UF) Urban Forestry Technician (UFT) Waste Resource Management (SWM)" I did the GIS program remotely in 2021 and was disappointed on so many levels, but this is a sad solution. So many natural resource management programs gone...
Mostly the Lindsay campus, which has some very good programs. Will be interesting to see how many upper level staff are spared. Huge loss to the school and surrounding community.
The town of lindsay is celebrating the student cap... 3200 of 4300 students at the frost campus are foreign, and lindsay is 24000 people.... rent in lindsay is higher than most cities but you don't hear about it, 500 dollars a month to share 3 to 1 room us now comon.
We only have 1500 full time students at Frost campus and the majority are domestic students.
30% is the admitted amount at frost, witch seems to he getting the largest cut of Flemings international students https://www.kawartha411.ca/2024/04/24/fleming-college-cutting-programs-in-wake-of-cap-on-international-students/
That doesn't say Frost, that says "30% of the college’s student body". Refering to the campuses in Peterborough, Haliburton, and Lindsay. Most of the international students are over at the Peterborough campus. I've probably had maybe 5-10 international students in my classes at Frost campus over the past two semesters. Even then it was mostly people going into the drilling and blasting program which is the only program of it's kind in Canada.
Buahaha more then that get on the orange bus to frost at 8am in the morning.... 50+ per bus load..... 8 live on my floor on colborne st alone.... in an 2 bedroom subletted apartment ( they are working to evict them now)
Damn that lowkey sucks. I got all domestic students in my rental over on Durham Street West. Paying $650 for a private bedroom and only like 5-10 minute walk from campus.
Yes if you look online its all foreign owners literally ripping off their own kids in the new subdivision next to wilsons feild.... its actually sad
Lindsay has issues with not enough housing for students, but it's actually cheaper than most student housing in college towns. What you're paying $500 for in Lindsay is closer to $800 in Peterborough.
500 to share with 3 other people, not 500 for a room, private rooms are well over 1k
I lived in Lindsay for 3.5 years in student houses. 4 different houses total (had trouble getting longer than 4 month leases for the first bit). Rent ranged from $500-650. Never shared a room, can't recall ever seeing more than one or two listings for shared rooms. These are issues at all Ontario post-secondary institutions currently, but it isn't a huge one in Lindsay. The issue there is more a simply lack of availability than issues with the quality of the housing*, it is very hard to secure a room due to high demand. *Beyond the normal student living woes like messy roommates and overbearing landlords. Currently looking for a room in Peterborough, and stressed the fuck out about how much more pricy and how much worse the rooms look than Lindsay.
We shall see when they shut down the school...huge impacts coming.
Check back next year lol
Lindsay's had a housing issue since the 90s recession. They never really tried to recover. Wages being lower then other cities hasn't changed for the locals. Unless you have a degree and get one of the few jobs that need it. I grew up in Fenelon Falls, before the Tim Horton's existed. Lindsay could have followed Kitchener/Waterloo in terms of encouraging developers to buy up slum lord properties and turn them into multi-plex apartments. Would work really great for generating the economic growth in the construction industry.
We shall see when they shut down the school...huge impacts coming.
And the cap is nowhere near restrictive enough still.
Given the courses they’ve chosen to cut, it’s easy to criticize them for their decisions but Fleming is a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. Colleges and universities are underfunded - they rely on international students to keep the lights on so-to-speak. Also, housing was neglected. The problems were obviously coming, but not politically Important/popular enough to do anything about until now. These two problems combined and now we have the symptoms of the problems laying themselves bare in front of us.
Some of those programs I'm surprised are getting suspended since they are in high demand. But then there are some I'm not surprised at all.
Wednesday pub nights could get a pitcher for $6
I think universities should be the last to cut the international students. At least they're studying at an accredited university. How about we ban every single fucking strip mall college first. They are the real problem. With their BS 18 month backdoor PR diplomas.
but Dofu supports the private model. Starve public colleges of funding. Watch them twist. They innovate and pump up International. Feds cut that. Ontario Colleges will die out, and strip mall education will move right in.
When I went to post secondary, there weren't any international students in my program in 4 years. It's been all about the money grab and now the international students were taking up valuable spots that prevented our own residents from attending. Including medical, pharmacy and engineering students. We need those professionals here but the international students leave and we have shortages. Or they stay and expect to be granted permanent residents after working for a short time. Many bring their families over and don't work and were supported by taxpayers who can't get into the programs we want.
Simple solution is require a higher percentage of on campus housing, and ban satteliete campuses. I can see the logic for a bay st campus for MBA schools. But these colleges and low tier universities like Algoma are setting up in the GTA without providing any infrastructure.
Satellite campuses are useful to extending a college’s reach to smaller communities that may not be able to support a standalone college. Fanshawe, for example has Woodstock as one of its satellite campuses. And no, some programs can’t be taught online.
Thats fair, But Algoma has more students in Brampton and Mississauga than in the Soo. Yet no housing, no athletics, no library. It isnt fair to the communities or the students.
International students are like crack to these institutions. Sad, it was once a great school with a good academic reputation.
This is what the racists called for
Good bye hotel and motel management
Well when you import the shit… your left with the shit.
Hahaha oh no, the unethical cash cow of scamming foreigners is running out of milk
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That makes no sense, there's no specific image that domestic students look like.
Fleming college has 1 of the top 3 GIS programs in the country. It's a well recognized college. Ontario's cut to their base funding is why they needed so many international students in the first place.
Careful what you wish for.
Oh no...anyways