Unfortunately an older man was found underwater in the hot tub. I wasn’t there, but I heard it was in the hot tub in the sauna area. Unknown how long he was underwater. EMS worked him but couldn’t get him back. Dead on scene. Could have been several things that caused him to go under and drown
Hot tubs raise heart rate and drop blood pressure. They can be dangerous for elderly and those with heart condition conditions
https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/ask-the-doctor-hot-tubs-and-heart-health
Theres an older dude that falls asleep nightly there after the sauna, looks passed out. Ive approached staff about him a few times. I hope it wasn't him.
I’ve seen that guy a few times. I swear they don’t enforce any rules with that sauna. The other day I almost got nailed in the chops by a guy shadow boxing in there. Last week some girl spreads out a towel next to me and her head was just about in my lap.
Yeah, I know who you are talking about. She always lays out regardless of how packed the sauna is. Super disrespectful.
The crowd is mostly cool, but some super entitled and clueless people there too.
All that was reported here seeks accurate according to various reports i heard. Elderly man, passed out in hot tub and drowned. They drained the tub and got him out but it was too late. Kids were in the pool, so they got them out and closed the area. Last night pool was drained and staff cleaning everything because corporate was coming by to review the situation. Lots of staff missing from the shift yesterday too.
Wowzers. Of course NISD isn’t reporting that to the news. I am so heartbroken to hear you know someone personally affected by this injustice. May God bless
Not word of mouth. There is a factual reason as to how the man fell that is not being included in the news cast, all I’m seeing is during an interaction with a student.
If that student is right, it's crazy that the news is reporting that the teacher fall and hit his head during an altercation versus a student throwing a ball at his head. 😵💫
Have you seen “altercation” being used? I’m seeing interaction or redirection— all neutral words. Altercation does carry the proper connotation that *I* think is worth noting.
*Tile* **Teaching assistant for special needs students dies after altercation at high school**
Source: https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/special-needs-teaching-assistant-alfred-jimenez-dies-after-student-altercation-at-texas-brandeis-high-school-applied-learning-environment-ale-classroom-learning-disabilities
Edit: NISD instructional assistant Alfred “Mr. Fred” Jimenez died Saturday due to a blunt-force head injury sustained earlier this month during what district officials called an **"interaction" with a special-needs student** at the campus gymnasium.
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Or what about the kids that mugged / shoved an old lady onto the ground on ceaser Chavez st. 🤦🏻♂️ do better, teach your kids to be good. Fucking world going to shit
You should look up all the drama that surround it La vernia high. They had their vice principal kill himself after Dr Harvey and Miss Baron tried to frame him for the embezzlement they were doing.
That town also made national news multiple times.
Here you go. There isn't a single news article out there with all of the dots connected. If you went to the school or new people and faculty they were able to connect the dots. So basically all of the people in the town who were in the know understand the full connection of the picture.
https://www.wilsoncountynews.com/articles/lv-educator-dies/
He's now disgraced and works at an online university as an assistant professor.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-harvey-b5588497
Here's a link to the embezzlement information.
https://www.ksat.com/news/2012/05/16/theft-embezzlement-charges-investigated-at-la-vernia-isd-2/
I went to Brandeis and graduated last June. I heard this story from one of my professors that I had to tell my brothers who are currently attending Brandeis if they knew anything about it. I was not familiar with the teacher but I’ve seen him almost everyday at the cafeteria with special ED students, and this is honestly very heartbreaking.
Special needs kid knocked down a 76 year old instructor; he hit his head and died.
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2024/02/21/nisd-teacher-staff-union-calls-for-change-following-death-of-instructional-assistant/
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“The villains in this story sit in the governor’s mansion and the state Capitol, far away from the consequences of their continual undermining and endangerment of our schools,” said Melina Espiritu-Azocar, president of Northside AFT.
Why tf is a 76 year old man in a position like this in the first place? Being an instructor is one thing, but dealing with special needs kids can be substantially more physical than the norm. My niece is developmentally challenged and her behavior has always been an obstacle. She can go from being pleasant but distracted to a dark place where she becomes angry and physical quickly. She doesn't understand assault or what she has done. It's purely reflexive and base.
Not all special needs students are this way, but surely they are aware of the potential for such behavior. Why would they opt to utilize him here?
Any guardian involved with these types of students should be able to "roll with the punches" if you will. A 76 year old man may be absolutely a fantastic instructor but is vulnerable to injuries and falls.
Prior to this school year starting, retired teachers were offered a bonus to come back to teaching with full salary while also continuing to receive their pensions to help with the teacher shortage.
https://news4sanantonio.com/amp/news/local/northside-isd-offers-big-incentives-to-retired-teachers
https://www.tpr.org/education/2023-08-11/staffing-challenges-continue-as-san-antonio-schools-return-for-2023-2024?_amp=true
Furthermore the state approved a bill to increase pensions for retired teachers and in 2029 onward pensions will be increased 2% every time the pension trust fund's performance exceeds a seven percent average growth over the previous five years.
https://senate.texas.gov/news.php?id=20230522a
Because workplaces are not allowed to discriminate based on age. If he signed up to do that job, parameters should be put in place to enable him to do that job correctly. If the student needed extra assistance though I definitely agree that is something the principal / district needs to provide.
From the article:
>died at a hospital 10 days after he was injured on Feb. 7 in a class of students with severe learning and emotional disabilities.
So... not exactly gang warfare.
No, but to be fair, a lot of those kids need a 1:1 and they just don't get that kind of attention. I used to sub special needs elementary, it was the single most difficult duty I have ever had...and I worked in an asylum for the criminally insane for years.
"A student bit me. I've been punched in the throat. I've been kicked in the stomach. The student picked up said knife, swat at my stomach." Not gang warfare
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Phrasing it like that makes it seem like something very different happened. The guy fell when working with a special needs student and died later from the head injury. Sucks all the same though :/
i’ve worked with sped students long enough to know that someone is painting this incident as he “fell” while redirecting the student
i 100% believe the student caused the fall
now to be fair i have zero proof or statistics but i’m certain that the sheer number of sped students in incorrect placements who physically injure their teachers daily is far beyond what is actually reported.
This man's death has a lot of flaming points of view being thrown around.
On one side, people know someone who teaches and just how bad our school systems are. These people generally feel sorry for the man.
On the other side are people who strongly defend kids no matter what. It seems they may have been wronged as a student in the past.
Homicide as in manor of death not the legal conclusion. It doesn’t mean the student murdered the teacher but that the actions of the student led to the teachers death- a volitional act committed by the student. Other manors of death are suicide, accident, execution by the state, and undetermined.
It’s not accidental because the student caused the fall. It’s like being killed by a drunk driver. Your death would be ruled a homicide since the drivers actions lead to your death- not that the drunk driver intended to kill you. Or like in Matthew Perry’s case- his death was attributed to his ketamine use so it was ruled accidental- his own actions lead to his death but it was not intentional or it would have been ruled suicide.
Yep. Homicide just means the death was caused by another person. It doesn't determine the specifics but hopefully the investigation helps to reduce chances of it happening in the future.
Damn, I didn't see that. Definitely throws a different twist to it. What I've seen so far says the kid had "cognitive disabilities" and the teacher sustained a head injury while trying to redirect the student, which is vague but makes it seem like it likely wasn't intentional. Either way we'll probably know more in the next few days or weeks.
Imagine how hard he had to throw the ball, at the man’s head, to cause him to fall to the ground. Maybe not murder, but definitely showed intent to hurt.
Got a link to the article that talks about a ball? The kid had cognitive disabilities based on the articles so it feels more like it's going to be a settlement between the family and the district.
I also imagine a possible scenario where a kid with cognitive disabilities doesn't have the mental capacity to know what he's doing is dangerous and it's a shitty situation overall. Lots to find out.
My mother’s been a special needs teacher her entire life. Bad parenting is a heavy factor in about 70 percent of her students.
The problem is schools are putting kids with learning disabilities and kids with behavioral problems (which in lots of cases is actually caused by bad upbringings, not just disorders) in the same room and calling them special needs when in all actuality they have very different needs that need to be met. The kids who really want to learn, but have trouble are unfortunately left behind because they get put in the same room as violent students, who don’t actually have a learning disability, they just aren’t “safe” enough to be around other kids.
This is the situation that we had at the school I was working at which was 5th and 6th grade intermediate. They hired me as an extra behavior teacher but it turns out they had behavior kids in the same room with the lower cognitive functioning ability kids. Not life skills level but just kids who needed a whole lot more help because they were so far behind. Hiring me they were able to split the group. The teacher who was already there took the kids with cognitive disabilities and let me take the behavior kids. And some of those kids were very violent to the point where one who had a prosthetic limb would take it off and weaponize it. Those poor kids that had been in there before had been absolutely terrorized by the behavior of these kids but things turned around when we were able to separate the two groups.
People lump all these kids as special needs and think everyone with special needs has a cognitive disability and that's not true. I'm now at a middle school where I teach reading, math, and dyslexia intervention to "special needs" kids. Two of my students came up from life skills and have cognitive disabilities. The rest of them have perfectly normal IQs and can learn anything they need to. Some of them are just lazy (just like the kids out in general education) and some of them are tagged as behavior issue kids and they act out on a regular basis. Luckily I'm right next door to the behavior teacher who will come running if I need him.
That’s definitely true that violent kids need to be handled differently from those with only learning disabilities. I suppose that’s a reason a lot of schools have opted for inclusion approaches where possible.
And while bad parenting is a huge problem, there are also a lot of great parents with extremely challenging kids. Assuming the parents are bad without any evidence beyond the violent kid is wrong, and terribly unfair to a lot of parents who have put their whole hearts and souls into their special needs kids.
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Makes sense on why we got this email then.
I know news stations don't report in suicides. Murder suicide must be different but I'm guessing they got the preliminary report and determine that it leaned towards suicide
No, but multiple police cars, ambulance and other emergency responders. Evacuated the entire 1st floor, closed the pool for the remainder of the night and into the next day. Police response says “DOA”, so, thought there might be something to it.
DOA is just how the call is dispatched. Someone died and an officer was dispatched to do the report.
It could be some old man who just croaked at the gym or any number of other things. But something like that probably won't and frankly shouldn't be on the news.
You could maybe try the scanner website to see if the call was dispatched as a drowning vs unresponsive/unconscious vs full arrest/CPR in progress but that's about the most of it unless you know an SAFD medic. In all seriousness, probably got extra cops to Lifetime fitness just hoping to skeeze on fitness thots.
The water was contaminated by the body. Members have the right to know the cause and the remediation efforts to insure the safety and health of the club members.
>contaminated by the body
People were swimming around with this dude at the bottom? Doubtful
They for sure drained the water.
Sure it's not ideal. But if he didn't have measles or some shit...then nothing is "contaminated".
Someone died in the pool. That's really all you need to know in regards to cause. The rest of your concerns can be answered by the gym and isn't something that needs to be blasted on the news.
The public does not in fact have a right to know everything that happens in this city
You are disgusting. The only thing the members should have a right to is the knowledge that the club has taken all legal measures to ensure healthy and safety of members. There used to be a concept of dignity in death.
The cause? The only thing someone needs to know in this scenario is whether the contaminated pool water has been remediated. Bold of you to assume the right to know anything more.
So to kinda wrap this up- I found. A KENS5 report on this on YouTube. They said a 75 year old man was I. The hot tub for 2 hours and slipped under the water. A couple of members tried to revive him but were unsuccessful
I searched, found an annual mortality number per 100k, and then mathed from there. I have no clue where it was from, but it was definitely on the first page of Google results. I’d be happy to be corrected if it’s wrong.
One of several hundred people that died in Texas today and every single day. Nothing needs to be in the news and nothing needs to be posted as it really is not any of your business.
Two men were arguing over the weight rack at the LA Fitness here in Austin, Texas. There was a stabbing. This was not in the news either. I read it in ext Door.
#A woman passed out in a hot tub at the Rim two years ago due to the heat. Life Time regularly sets those tubs to 104, and they don’t check them as often as they should. Kids are constantly getting in.
"Por muy penoso que sea, debemos ser los mismos enfermos los que enseñemos a la sociedad cómo somos y cuáles son nuestras aspiraciones..."
El Mundo del Siglo Veintiuno (1996)
There’s almost ten thousand deaths per day in the US. You want details in the news on all of them? Or just the around 40 per day in San Antonio?
Face it, no one cares to know about every death, but famous people having sex with other famous people attract eyeballs.
Yeah like if the guy had taught a lot of his life and gave back to society through that dude should at least get SS ties to cost of living so he can afford to live on his own but nah; we love to vote against our own self interests (goes for all parties)
Yeah, it’s always at least 104, and I’ve seen it as high as 108. You have to look at the temp before getting g in, because there are two, and one is usually higher than 104.
Unfortunately an older man was found underwater in the hot tub. I wasn’t there, but I heard it was in the hot tub in the sauna area. Unknown how long he was underwater. EMS worked him but couldn’t get him back. Dead on scene. Could have been several things that caused him to go under and drown
Hot tubs raise heart rate and drop blood pressure. They can be dangerous for elderly and those with heart condition conditions https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/ask-the-doctor-hot-tubs-and-heart-health
That's how Matthew Perry passed
He was on ketamine
How was on Epstein
His death still stings. I watch Friends as background noise and it saddens me that he's gone.
He may have had a heart attack and died, and didn't drown?
Blood pressure went up and he probably had a heart attack.
Someone passed out at the hot tub at the Rim two years ago. They keep it turned up too high.
Bad soup
Theres an older dude that falls asleep nightly there after the sauna, looks passed out. Ive approached staff about him a few times. I hope it wasn't him.
I’ve seen that guy a few times. I swear they don’t enforce any rules with that sauna. The other day I almost got nailed in the chops by a guy shadow boxing in there. Last week some girl spreads out a towel next to me and her head was just about in my lap.
Yeah, I know who you are talking about. She always lays out regardless of how packed the sauna is. Super disrespectful. The crowd is mostly cool, but some super entitled and clueless people there too.
Is she hot?
It’s a sauna, so I would think so
Burn
Or the tall guy who goes around lunch time and starts doing his plyometric exercises 🙄 deep breathing and sweating on everyone
did you see another users comment? it may be him
Yeah. I'm here now. Gonna ask
Well...?
All that was reported here seeks accurate according to various reports i heard. Elderly man, passed out in hot tub and drowned. They drained the tub and got him out but it was too late. Kids were in the pool, so they got them out and closed the area. Last night pool was drained and staff cleaning everything because corporate was coming by to review the situation. Lots of staff missing from the shift yesterday too.
hot tub got'em
Ahh the sauna thats the goto place to shadow box
What about that teacher that was killed by a high school student at Brandeis HS. Crazy world.
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Wowzers. Of course NISD isn’t reporting that to the news. I am so heartbroken to hear you know someone personally affected by this injustice. May God bless
It's been on the news every morning since it has happened.
That a student threw a ball at their teacher?
I see, didn't realize you were specifically referencing that part. However I don't see why word of mouth like that would be relevant on a news cast.
Not word of mouth. There is a factual reason as to how the man fell that is not being included in the news cast, all I’m seeing is during an interaction with a student.
I interact with people all the time, never have I been injured during a simple interaction.
I heard about it on the radio
i did not hear about it until i saw it on people magazine's instagram
If that student is right, it's crazy that the news is reporting that the teacher fall and hit his head during an altercation versus a student throwing a ball at his head. 😵💫
Have you seen “altercation” being used? I’m seeing interaction or redirection— all neutral words. Altercation does carry the proper connotation that *I* think is worth noting.
*Tile* **Teaching assistant for special needs students dies after altercation at high school** Source: https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/special-needs-teaching-assistant-alfred-jimenez-dies-after-student-altercation-at-texas-brandeis-high-school-applied-learning-environment-ale-classroom-learning-disabilities Edit: NISD instructional assistant Alfred “Mr. Fred” Jimenez died Saturday due to a blunt-force head injury sustained earlier this month during what district officials called an **"interaction" with a special-needs student** at the campus gymnasium. Source: https://www.sacurrent.com/news/gofundme-to-cover-funeral-costs-of-san-antonio-educator-who-died-after-on-the-job-injury-33886832
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Or what about the kids that mugged / shoved an old lady onto the ground on ceaser Chavez st. 🤦🏻♂️ do better, teach your kids to be good. Fucking world going to shit
You should look up all the drama that surround it La vernia high. They had their vice principal kill himself after Dr Harvey and Miss Baron tried to frame him for the embezzlement they were doing. That town also made national news multiple times.
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Here you go. There isn't a single news article out there with all of the dots connected. If you went to the school or new people and faculty they were able to connect the dots. So basically all of the people in the town who were in the know understand the full connection of the picture. https://www.wilsoncountynews.com/articles/lv-educator-dies/ He's now disgraced and works at an online university as an assistant professor. https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-harvey-b5588497 Here's a link to the embezzlement information. https://www.ksat.com/news/2012/05/16/theft-embezzlement-charges-investigated-at-la-vernia-isd-2/
I went to Brandeis and graduated last June. I heard this story from one of my professors that I had to tell my brothers who are currently attending Brandeis if they knew anything about it. I was not familiar with the teacher but I’ve seen him almost everyday at the cafeteria with special ED students, and this is honestly very heartbreaking.
Students with ED* students in special education*
Excuse me what's the back story here?
Special needs kid knocked down a 76 year old instructor; he hit his head and died. https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2024/02/21/nisd-teacher-staff-union-calls-for-change-following-death-of-instructional-assistant/
Axe ground “The villains in this story sit in the governor’s mansion and the state Capitol, far away from the consequences of their continual undermining and endangerment of our schools,” said Melina Espiritu-Azocar, president of Northside AFT.
Why tf is a 76 year old man in a position like this in the first place? Being an instructor is one thing, but dealing with special needs kids can be substantially more physical than the norm. My niece is developmentally challenged and her behavior has always been an obstacle. She can go from being pleasant but distracted to a dark place where she becomes angry and physical quickly. She doesn't understand assault or what she has done. It's purely reflexive and base. Not all special needs students are this way, but surely they are aware of the potential for such behavior. Why would they opt to utilize him here? Any guardian involved with these types of students should be able to "roll with the punches" if you will. A 76 year old man may be absolutely a fantastic instructor but is vulnerable to injuries and falls.
Because they can’t retire and this is what they have experience in probably.
Prior to this school year starting, retired teachers were offered a bonus to come back to teaching with full salary while also continuing to receive their pensions to help with the teacher shortage. https://news4sanantonio.com/amp/news/local/northside-isd-offers-big-incentives-to-retired-teachers https://www.tpr.org/education/2023-08-11/staffing-challenges-continue-as-san-antonio-schools-return-for-2023-2024?_amp=true Furthermore the state approved a bill to increase pensions for retired teachers and in 2029 onward pensions will be increased 2% every time the pension trust fund's performance exceeds a seven percent average growth over the previous five years. https://senate.texas.gov/news.php?id=20230522a
Because workplaces are not allowed to discriminate based on age. If he signed up to do that job, parameters should be put in place to enable him to do that job correctly. If the student needed extra assistance though I definitely agree that is something the principal / district needs to provide.
Had that special needs strength, I guess.
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2024/02/21/nisd-teacher-staff-union-calls-for-change-following-death-of-instructional-assistant/
It has been ruled a homicide.
[https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2024/02/19/instructional-assistant-dies-from-serious-injury-by-student-in-classroom-at-brandeis-high-school/](https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2024/02/19/instructional-assistant-dies-from-serious-injury-by-student-in-classroom-at-brandeis-high-school/)
From the article: >died at a hospital 10 days after he was injured on Feb. 7 in a class of students with severe learning and emotional disabilities. So... not exactly gang warfare.
No, but to be fair, a lot of those kids need a 1:1 and they just don't get that kind of attention. I used to sub special needs elementary, it was the single most difficult duty I have ever had...and I worked in an asylum for the criminally insane for years.
Homicide = homicide
"A student bit me. I've been punched in the throat. I've been kicked in the stomach. The student picked up said knife, swat at my stomach." Not gang warfare
Thats not gang warfare dumbass that’s just violence just because it’s a school with more poc doesn’t mean everything is gang related
So we all agree then? Cool.
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That’s insane, I didn’t even hear about that. My partner went to Brandeis…. Jesus what is happening
Phrasing it like that makes it seem like something very different happened. The guy fell when working with a special needs student and died later from the head injury. Sucks all the same though :/
i’ve worked with sped students long enough to know that someone is painting this incident as he “fell” while redirecting the student i 100% believe the student caused the fall now to be fair i have zero proof or statistics but i’m certain that the sheer number of sped students in incorrect placements who physically injure their teachers daily is far beyond what is actually reported.
Yes and NISD/ Brandeis knows that
This man's death has a lot of flaming points of view being thrown around. On one side, people know someone who teaches and just how bad our school systems are. These people generally feel sorry for the man. On the other side are people who strongly defend kids no matter what. It seems they may have been wronged as a student in the past.
no shit? no one said they didn't
Reread the articles, he didn’t just fall— the struggle with the student caused the fall.
Yep...
According to article " The Bexar County Medical Examiner has ruled his death a homicide."
Homicide as in manor of death not the legal conclusion. It doesn’t mean the student murdered the teacher but that the actions of the student led to the teachers death- a volitional act committed by the student. Other manors of death are suicide, accident, execution by the state, and undetermined.
right, and accidental fall was right there and wasn't chosen
It’s not accidental because the student caused the fall. It’s like being killed by a drunk driver. Your death would be ruled a homicide since the drivers actions lead to your death- not that the drunk driver intended to kill you. Or like in Matthew Perry’s case- his death was attributed to his ketamine use so it was ruled accidental- his own actions lead to his death but it was not intentional or it would have been ruled suicide.
Yep. Homicide just means the death was caused by another person. It doesn't determine the specifics but hopefully the investigation helps to reduce chances of it happening in the future.
Manner of death not legal conclusion
Don't down play the severity of what happened.
Feel free to share more articles that provide more info, lots of speculation until we see more.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kens5.com/amp/article/news/local/nisd-police-chief-discusses-investigation-into-brandeis-high-school-death-homicide/273-c80c262b-a8ec-4ce4-b61e-795b0785313b
Yep I saw that one thanks
If he fell why would they rule it a homicide ?
Damn, I didn't see that. Definitely throws a different twist to it. What I've seen so far says the kid had "cognitive disabilities" and the teacher sustained a head injury while trying to redirect the student, which is vague but makes it seem like it likely wasn't intentional. Either way we'll probably know more in the next few days or weeks.
Imagine how hard he had to throw the ball, at the man’s head, to cause him to fall to the ground. Maybe not murder, but definitely showed intent to hurt.
Got a link to the article that talks about a ball? The kid had cognitive disabilities based on the articles so it feels more like it's going to be a settlement between the family and the district.
Forget the ball. Imagine pushing someone so forcibly they fall down and crack their head.
I also imagine a possible scenario where a kid with cognitive disabilities doesn't have the mental capacity to know what he's doing is dangerous and it's a shitty situation overall. Lots to find out.
I do not have a link, it is hearsay. But not hard to believe. We will have to see what the real facts are as the story progresses.
He died of blunt force trauma to the head
students with severe learning and emotional disabilities.... per article Bad parenting I assume. The teacher was pushed by the student
"cognitive disabilities" from another article. That implies a condition that's less likely to be related to upbringing. Shitty situation all around.
Are your parents to blame for your ignorant comment?
My mother’s been a special needs teacher her entire life. Bad parenting is a heavy factor in about 70 percent of her students. The problem is schools are putting kids with learning disabilities and kids with behavioral problems (which in lots of cases is actually caused by bad upbringings, not just disorders) in the same room and calling them special needs when in all actuality they have very different needs that need to be met. The kids who really want to learn, but have trouble are unfortunately left behind because they get put in the same room as violent students, who don’t actually have a learning disability, they just aren’t “safe” enough to be around other kids.
This is the situation that we had at the school I was working at which was 5th and 6th grade intermediate. They hired me as an extra behavior teacher but it turns out they had behavior kids in the same room with the lower cognitive functioning ability kids. Not life skills level but just kids who needed a whole lot more help because they were so far behind. Hiring me they were able to split the group. The teacher who was already there took the kids with cognitive disabilities and let me take the behavior kids. And some of those kids were very violent to the point where one who had a prosthetic limb would take it off and weaponize it. Those poor kids that had been in there before had been absolutely terrorized by the behavior of these kids but things turned around when we were able to separate the two groups. People lump all these kids as special needs and think everyone with special needs has a cognitive disability and that's not true. I'm now at a middle school where I teach reading, math, and dyslexia intervention to "special needs" kids. Two of my students came up from life skills and have cognitive disabilities. The rest of them have perfectly normal IQs and can learn anything they need to. Some of them are just lazy (just like the kids out in general education) and some of them are tagged as behavior issue kids and they act out on a regular basis. Luckily I'm right next door to the behavior teacher who will come running if I need him.
That’s definitely true that violent kids need to be handled differently from those with only learning disabilities. I suppose that’s a reason a lot of schools have opted for inclusion approaches where possible. And while bad parenting is a huge problem, there are also a lot of great parents with extremely challenging kids. Assuming the parents are bad without any evidence beyond the violent kid is wrong, and terribly unfair to a lot of parents who have put their whole hearts and souls into their special needs kids.
https://preview.redd.it/vigyjbd0p4kc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a718ce6f518398c42045a8d510e956612e407a0a Makes sense on why we got this email then.
Exactly! And they never said it was reopened so I missed out on pool time yesterday.
Heard from my trainer that it was an older gentleman who passed out in the hot tub and drowned. Really sad honesty
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About 7PM
do you think that any time someone dies someone needs to put it in the newspaper?
There was a murder suicide in my neighborhood and it never made the news. Shit is just regular, I guess.
I know news stations don't report in suicides. Murder suicide must be different but I'm guessing they got the preliminary report and determine that it leaned towards suicide
News stations don’t report those intentionally
No, but multiple police cars, ambulance and other emergency responders. Evacuated the entire 1st floor, closed the pool for the remainder of the night and into the next day. Police response says “DOA”, so, thought there might be something to it.
DOA is just how the call is dispatched. Someone died and an officer was dispatched to do the report. It could be some old man who just croaked at the gym or any number of other things. But something like that probably won't and frankly shouldn't be on the news.
Oh like someone drowned?
I do not know…that’s why I’m asking.
You could maybe try the scanner website to see if the call was dispatched as a drowning vs unresponsive/unconscious vs full arrest/CPR in progress but that's about the most of it unless you know an SAFD medic. In all seriousness, probably got extra cops to Lifetime fitness just hoping to skeeze on fitness thots.
Oh ok. Im sure itll come out in the news eventually.
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it’s called the obituary section of the news paper.
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It's not newsworthy so don't expect to hear about it.
Exactly. Probably a heart attack. Lots of out of shape folks in the sauna/hot tub area.
Damn when they say Lifetime, they mean it.
Deathtime Fitness
So lifetime fitness is making human caldo, wild.
So it wasn't a lifetime contract then? /S
Well actually it seems it was
Maybe his contract just expired 🤔
He’s not getting out of his contract that easily!
I shouldn't be laughing as hard at this, but yeah. You're right.
Seems like the most lifetime contract you could possibly have
Was there up to the very end
People die, if it was of natural causes you have no right to an explanation.
Died in a pool of water shared by others. Def have a right to an explanation.
Why do you believe that you ghoul?
The water was contaminated by the body. Members have the right to know the cause and the remediation efforts to insure the safety and health of the club members.
>contaminated by the body People were swimming around with this dude at the bottom? Doubtful They for sure drained the water. Sure it's not ideal. But if he didn't have measles or some shit...then nothing is "contaminated".
Someone died in the pool. That's really all you need to know in regards to cause. The rest of your concerns can be answered by the gym and isn't something that needs to be blasted on the news. The public does not in fact have a right to know everything that happens in this city
You are disgusting. The only thing the members should have a right to is the knowledge that the club has taken all legal measures to ensure healthy and safety of members. There used to be a concept of dignity in death.
Go back to gossiping on Next Door.
The cause? The only thing someone needs to know in this scenario is whether the contaminated pool water has been remediated. Bold of you to assume the right to know anything more.
This comment should be higher.
Again ?..
Yeah, I was walking out and saw the ambulance and fire truck and was like oh damn somebody died. That sucks. Pool was open yesterday though.👍
Yep, I was there and arrived as the ambulance was leaving. My friend’s friend is a lifeguard there and was there when it happened. So sad
So to kinda wrap this up- I found. A KENS5 report on this on YouTube. They said a 75 year old man was I. The hot tub for 2 hours and slipped under the water. A couple of members tried to revive him but were unsuccessful
Life happens
This is the opposite tho
That happens too. In a city the size of SA, it happens about 60-75 times per day.
Where’s your link for this? I know it isn’t nearly as high as that.
I searched, found an annual mortality number per 100k, and then mathed from there. I have no clue where it was from, but it was definitely on the first page of Google results. I’d be happy to be corrected if it’s wrong.
Annual mortality rate from stabbings in San Antonio 2024? Is that what you searched?
Is it though?
Or doesn't
All of you in this comment section are probably the same rubber neckers desperately holding up traffic to see a body over a fender bender.
Does every death have to be newsworthy?
One of several hundred people that died in Texas today and every single day. Nothing needs to be in the news and nothing needs to be posted as it really is not any of your business.
Dude got stabbed in the butt at an LA Fitness in Austin
Lifetime or LA fitness?
Lifetime
If there’s no news, how do you know someone died?
Because the police incident said DOA
Heard this happening to an LA Fitness (on 1604?) a couple years ago in their pool.
Rename to Deathtime Fitness?
Two men were arguing over the weight rack at the LA Fitness here in Austin, Texas. There was a stabbing. This was not in the news either. I read it in ext Door.
#A woman passed out in a hot tub at the Rim two years ago due to the heat. Life Time regularly sets those tubs to 104, and they don’t check them as often as they should. Kids are constantly getting in.
Penoso
"Por muy penoso que sea, debemos ser los mismos enfermos los que enseñemos a la sociedad cómo somos y cuáles son nuestras aspiraciones..." El Mundo del Siglo Veintiuno (1996)
It's not Taylor Swift so you won't hear shit about it. That's the sad thing
There’s almost ten thousand deaths per day in the US. You want details in the news on all of them? Or just the around 40 per day in San Antonio? Face it, no one cares to know about every death, but famous people having sex with other famous people attract eyeballs.
Which lifetime?
281 location
Not impressed that the teacher union thought it was a good opportunity to play politics and blame Mr Fred’s death on Gov Abbott.
Nobody should have to work at 76, that in itself is a failure on the government’s part
Yeah like if the guy had taught a lot of his life and gave back to society through that dude should at least get SS ties to cost of living so he can afford to live on his own but nah; we love to vote against our own self interests (goes for all parties)
He didn’t have to work. He retired 10+ years ago and went back to work because he missed the community.
We get that but 99% of older pop is forced to coz SS sucks and doesn’t pay living amount
99% of older people are forced to work? That is a very interesting claim.
Ok dude you knew what I meant. Enjoy your parents working until they can’t move or enjoy it when it happens to you. And also enjoy the block
He didn’t have to work. He retired 10+ years ago and went back to work because he missed the community.
Can you elaborate? What is this about?
How hot was the hot tub? Once you start going over your body temperature, there's only a certain amount of time that you should be in a hot tub.
Yeah, it’s always at least 104, and I’ve seen it as high as 108. You have to look at the temp before getting g in, because there are two, and one is usually higher than 104.