Definitely a 2nd exorcist.
2nd paragon warsuits are way less good than the first one, which is only really good because of vahl.
You'll be amazed how little damage three multimeltas do to a tank when you aren't rerolling hits or wounds.
In fact, I'll do the math right now (assuming you are shooting at some T10 or greater tank)
3 Paragons (@170 points)
6 melta shots hitting on 3's, wounding on 5's : 1.333 wounds.
If the target has a 4+ invuln, and you are in melta range, that's an average of : 3.66 damage. Even with zero invulns and armor saves, that's only 7.33 wounds. Not enough to kill something.
That's worse than retributors jumping out of an immolator.
5 retributors (4x MM) jumping out of an immolator (twin linked MM) @ 220 points
I always try to save one miracle die of 3 to guarantee one of the immolator's guns hits the target (it doesn't have to wound) to activate it's ability. But I'm not going to factor that into the calculations here when determining the immolators damage.
Immolator gets 2 MM shots, hitting on 3's. They wound on 5's, but twin linked.
Or .74 wounds.
If I'm doing my math right, each hit with twin linked on 5's means 55% chance of a wound (1/3 + 1/3\*2/3).
The retributors have 8 MM shots, hitting on 4's, wounding on 5's (with twin linked essentially from the immolator), so 4 shot's hit, 2.222 shots wound
That's 2.9622 wounds, which is over double the paragon wounds, for much less than double the price.
If you're in melta range, that's 16.2921 wounds ignoring saves. More than enough to kill something.
Now, in theory the paragons are more survivable, but in practice I feel like most armies have some 'good at terminators/elite infantry' shooting that otherwise is kind of wasted vs sisters, but they are happy to dump into paragons (any multi wound stuff in the str 6 to 9 range). In practice I feel like I get about one turn worth of shooting at close range from both the paragons and the retributors.
Another thing to consider is that paragons (if you have a mace and a CP for tank shock) are a viable charge threat, whereas retributors really aren't no matter what. And of course the paragons have the grenade launchers which are another 1.111 wounds scoring expected 2.222 damage. So it's not quite as cut and dry as a I make it seem here.
Also a fair point. Although I can't imagine either of those would change too much? I anticipate more buffs/nerfs on units like retributors, bss, dominion, arcos, etc.
But you're right, I should be patient. Maybe I'll even want that terrible box of an insane volume of seraphim. 😂
Oh I'm newer to the game, dont know the old box setups. With the seeming downgrade of the boxes moving forward, we'd be lucky to get a leg from one of them now.
IMO an Immolator or more fly girls would be solid! Between the 2nd squad of paragons or exorcist I’d say they’re both valid. Some people have had success running the 2nd squad of suits.
I'm going to offer a rare vote for the 3 paragons. Give one a mace and you can tank shock pretty hard, they have a 4+ invuln, which is way better than the 6+ the Exorcist has, and for me the Exorcist has way less overall shooting.
Not that the Exorcist is poor, but I've whiffed so many times with my two that I feel like they are far from a sure thing and the paragons have more options.
I'm waiting to buy more Arco until I see the new codex. I only have 3 from the combat patrol now. I honestly don't love them. I'm a bit shoot-ier and at least want something that can do both like penitent engine or knight.
Between those 2 choices I think an Exorcist is better.
As I was typing i realized that with the additional allied knights, that's a lot of walkers. A 2nd tank may make more sense.
Definitely a 2nd exorcist. 2nd paragon warsuits are way less good than the first one, which is only really good because of vahl. You'll be amazed how little damage three multimeltas do to a tank when you aren't rerolling hits or wounds. In fact, I'll do the math right now (assuming you are shooting at some T10 or greater tank) 3 Paragons (@170 points) 6 melta shots hitting on 3's, wounding on 5's : 1.333 wounds. If the target has a 4+ invuln, and you are in melta range, that's an average of : 3.66 damage. Even with zero invulns and armor saves, that's only 7.33 wounds. Not enough to kill something. That's worse than retributors jumping out of an immolator. 5 retributors (4x MM) jumping out of an immolator (twin linked MM) @ 220 points I always try to save one miracle die of 3 to guarantee one of the immolator's guns hits the target (it doesn't have to wound) to activate it's ability. But I'm not going to factor that into the calculations here when determining the immolators damage. Immolator gets 2 MM shots, hitting on 3's. They wound on 5's, but twin linked. Or .74 wounds. If I'm doing my math right, each hit with twin linked on 5's means 55% chance of a wound (1/3 + 1/3\*2/3). The retributors have 8 MM shots, hitting on 4's, wounding on 5's (with twin linked essentially from the immolator), so 4 shot's hit, 2.222 shots wound That's 2.9622 wounds, which is over double the paragon wounds, for much less than double the price. If you're in melta range, that's 16.2921 wounds ignoring saves. More than enough to kill something. Now, in theory the paragons are more survivable, but in practice I feel like most armies have some 'good at terminators/elite infantry' shooting that otherwise is kind of wasted vs sisters, but they are happy to dump into paragons (any multi wound stuff in the str 6 to 9 range). In practice I feel like I get about one turn worth of shooting at close range from both the paragons and the retributors. Another thing to consider is that paragons (if you have a mace and a CP for tank shock) are a viable charge threat, whereas retributors really aren't no matter what. And of course the paragons have the grenade launchers which are another 1.111 wounds scoring expected 2.222 damage. So it's not quite as cut and dry as a I make it seem here.
And it’s even more depressing against anything with a 4+ invuln or with 4 - 6 wounds (when non-kill damage starts to appear frequently).
Thanks, good points!
Wait until the Codex! It's almost here
Also a fair point. Although I can't imagine either of those would change too much? I anticipate more buffs/nerfs on units like retributors, bss, dominion, arcos, etc. But you're right, I should be patient. Maybe I'll even want that terrible box of an insane volume of seraphim. 😂
Definitely Exorcist. I love the Paragons, I have nine myself, but they are outperformed by the Exorcist.
9!!!! Haha
Yup. Got them back when they were a bit better than they are at present.
Quite the collection! Never know with the codex, they could be back with a bang. 🦾
Here's to hoping! 🥂
Sanctorum guard box had 6 by itself.
Oh I'm newer to the game, dont know the old box setups. With the seeming downgrade of the boxes moving forward, we'd be lucky to get a leg from one of them now.
It was a solid box for mechanized sisters. 2 sets of paragons, Vahl, 5 sacrosanct, and a bss.
IMO an Immolator or more fly girls would be solid! Between the 2nd squad of paragons or exorcist I’d say they’re both valid. Some people have had success running the 2nd squad of suits.
Second exorcist is almost mandatory if you wanna play them effectively.
Between these two? Take a cassy ;)
I shouuuuld buy one honestly.
I'm going to offer a rare vote for the 3 paragons. Give one a mace and you can tank shock pretty hard, they have a 4+ invuln, which is way better than the 6+ the Exorcist has, and for me the Exorcist has way less overall shooting. Not that the Exorcist is poor, but I've whiffed so many times with my two that I feel like they are far from a sure thing and the paragons have more options.
That's not your question but I think you need more cac like Arco
I'm waiting to buy more Arco until I see the new codex. I only have 3 from the combat patrol now. I honestly don't love them. I'm a bit shoot-ier and at least want something that can do both like penitent engine or knight.
As of now exorcist I am hoping that the new book makes the warsuites way more viable.
From those options a second Exorcist, though I think an Immolator would add more to the list with points left over.