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It feels like it's just become insiders copying texts from sources into tweets. It's been a long time since anyone in sports journalism has asked hard questions, the teams treat them as an extension of PR, and those that don't report the team line can lose access.
Jenny Vrentas was doing great work at SI which is what got her picked up the NYT. She did a huge investigation into the Deshaun Watson victims, unearthed much more than the NFLs own investigation and it’s brilliantly written as well.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/03/25/mmqb-podcast-bonus-episode-inside-the-deshaun-watson-cases
In other SI work, Buzz Bissinger wrote the original "Friday Night Lights" article in SI which then became a book of the same name, then a major movie, then a watered down but still entertaining TV show.
The original piece was a brilliant and very sad look at small town Texas high school football.
SI used to be some of the best print journalism, period, at least as far English-language and American journalism went.
> a long time since anyone in sports journalism has asked hard questions
Literally the biggest scandal in sports right now, the Shohei Ohtani interpreter gambling story, was unearthed by reporters asking hard questions.
And it needs to be independent from the very teams and leagues that it covers. Sports journalism is often was too cozy with the leagues, teams and players that it covers to the point where most of it sounds like they are just publishing a press release from the league. Huge media deals and conglomeration of news outlets has led to a lack of criticism in many areas sports is just one.
The Schaaps of the world would have no revenue path today. Long-form journalism is dependent on people paying for news. Now everyone says “paywall? Eww. That should be illegal.” Actual journalism costs money.
We haven’t had real sports journalism in years. Right now it’s a business agreement. The teams and athletes give the “journalist” access so they can sell clicks and videos, and in exchange the journalist act as an unofficial marketing team.
It was always like that. William Randolph Hearst was in cahoots with whatever route would sell the most papers, even getting the US into a war. In the 90s it was taboo for baseball reporters to report on the players openly doing steroids in the clubhouse. Reporters got blackballed for it.
See the Chicago Bulls. We basically have two reporters. K.C. Johnson & Joe Cowley.
K.C. is basically the only one who covers us. Every story is “Bulls lost by 60 as Bulls Player X displays dazzling footwork.”. Straight up team Public Relations & will never rock the boat. Any time they’re done with a player they’ll leak stuff & trash the player to the media like clockwork like “Bulls execs have privately become concerned about anImpatientPenguins work ethic & commitment to the team“
We have one other reporter who basically every “bad” story has to be filtered through because he’s the only one who will tell it. He is HATED by Bulls fans who write off everything he says as just being a “hater” even though he’s been right about a fair bit.
It’s like a microcosm of manufacturing consent. If you pay attention, the Bulls LOVE leaking stuff to trash players when they’re done with them or think it could make them look better.
I have no idea how guys like KC are considered journalists. They literally just do whatever the front office wants. If I pulled up 20 Bulls articles from the past 30 years rn I bet you could guess his take on every issue just from the title & what I’ve told you.
& This is a franchise with a LOT of incompetence, bad working conditions, clownery, etc. under the hood if you look. Our old GM choked out a coach & kept his job for like 10 years.
If you ever listen to post game press conferences it’s journalists asking leading questions to fit the narrative of a story they’re writing, hoping to get a run of the mill quote that offers nothing.
It used to be the only way to get news, now we have many options to learn about these players so sports columnists are not valued nearly as much.
This shows a depressing misunderstanding of what sports reporters do, which is far more than “ask questions at press conferences.”
Countless huge scandals, from Penn State to the current Shohei Ohtani gambling thing, would never have been brought to light without serious, investigative sports journalism.
Honestly, it turns out that the number of "hard truths" about these guys that people care about numbers close to zero. If there are shenanigans, they tend to come to light one way or another. Most day-to-day stuff is pretty worthless, though, and personal stuff is often TMI.
The writer describes "nobody knew about the budget" times... well when companies do really well, even today, they piss money away like you wouldn't believe. "Businesses have to be efficient," my ass. Hell, the largesse contributes to the company's reputation. "We're doing so well we don't even care what we spend!" It's only when the tide of the market turns, and managers get the squeeze, that they start penny-pinching and the company becomes the same ol' shithole as everywhere else.
The writer describes "nobody gets juicy info from inside the team anymore" and then describes finding out about Pete Rose by... talking to people *outside* the team, all over Ohio.
The writer describes "established journalists miss stories in their neighborhood" then describes how maverick journalists outside the establishment got the scoop anyways.
Based on this piece, I'm not seeing the actual problem here.
Do we really need 7 guys from 5 different newspapers asking a player what went wrong after he shot 2-13 or something?
I definitely miss the longer form stuff (like from grantland or si back in the day) though.
People are generally happy reading a quick tweet from an athlete or an insider or listening to them on a podcast or a show like hot ones.
The one area where it makes me nervous is with the gambling; especially in the ncaa sports. If ESPN and the ncaa/nfl/nba are in kahoots, I could see a massive gambling scandal (especially with refs and the nba--we know it's happened) getting swept under the rug.
The author mentions stadium deals. The braves stadium deal was highly reported on and was clearly done unethically, if not illegally, to subvert the will of the voters. It didn't change anything and these stadium deals will keep getting done no matter what. They got done when there were tons of reporters and they were bad then.
Grantland was so damn good. Bill Barnwell’s stuff was always a go-to for me, and I’m guessing his work is still high quality because it’s consistently behind a paywall on ESPN’s website.
I would miss it if it was actual journalism. I spent a few years in the journalism world myself and Video Game and Sports "Journalists" are *really* stretching the definition of the word, they're all just insiders in various pockets.
Why should sports journalism fare any better than all the other journalism?
This is a small part of the problem. Journalists are this country's immune system, and we are immunodeficient.
I actually think sports reporters are better and know much more about the intricacies of the games these days. Especially with regards to basketball.
My sense is that modern beat sports reporters are very hesitant to truly criticize a player they have to cover on a regular basis. It used to be you could read about which players showed up to camp out of shape and didn’t workout in the off season.
They don’t offer up these sorts of criticisms anymore.
Well we had ESPN take advantage of a young LeBron by agreeing to do that "The Decision" BS which we all knew he would regret.
We had ESPN lambast the Patriots needlessly over deflategate, going so far as to give fake reports so they could be the first ones to defame them. The Pats and Brady lost a lot from this. ESPN only gained.
And we've had over a decade of Stephen A Smith just screaming at the camera as the backbone of their sports reporting.
ESPN absolutely deserves to go bankrupt. Their legacy of milking cable for 20% of the entire cost of any subscription is coming to a glorious end. They can fuck right off.
Journalists buried their heads in the sand when blogging and social media including YouTube started taking over.
Unpopular opinion: Blogging and vlogging exposed journalism for the grift that the vast majority of it is. It’s all just PR.
Edit: I must have been tired when I wrote that. Corrected.
why would anyone care about the player or the owner is beyond me.. i just turn on tv or stream for couple hours and watch the game… i don’t care what these millionaires do in their private life
All journalism. There’s a lot of shit journalism. But the good ones. They’re pretty much the only people trying to keep public officials and corporations to account. It’ll be a free for all open slather on corruption when it’s all gone
Investigative journalism cost too much money and time. The loud mouth debate shows is much cheaper and easier to produce. Sad but the future of sports media doesn't look bright.
If that's what sports journalists are supposed to do, then that died a long ass time ago. Profit motive is what has shifted the role of journalists over time.
You mean like giving our heroes the “Lance Armstrong” treatment? I’m always when some sports legend who is physically stronger and fitter than they were 20 years before, a biological impossibility, is given credit for a “grueling offseason workout program.” Victory goes to the best cheaters in sports now, as in politics and business.
Yeah, we’re in pretty rotten shape. Not enough coverage of SafeSport and abuse issues. Shoddy reporting on the U.S. women’s soccer pay dispute, driven mostly by fan media that dared not question the team’s narrative. Not good. But that’s true of journalism in general. Imagine what your local city council can get away with now that the local paper has withered.
It's like asking the same questions over and over and over again, with the same responses doesn't attract people's attention.
For example in Spain the media bleep up against Ibai(streamer) when he managed to ge Courtois, Reguilon, Neymar to play with him and his friends and got to ask them questions to them but in a funny way, questions that a reporter wouldn't even dare so he got statements that wasn't the usually said by them to the media.
We also got to hear them bantering which was fun. The media quickly stated that that wasn't journalism, that what they do it is, the proceeded to do an interview asking the same questions from the last day interview but to other player from a different team.
Example of questions:
How is the season going?
How is the relationship with X teammate/coach/president?
What's your feeling about X referee decision?(They would ask this one even if it didn't happen in their match)
Who do you think will win the League?
Who do you think will win the Champions?
If they played with a Superstar. How was training/playing/day to day with X?
Obviously the answers to those questions are always politically correct and repeated by all players with slight changes
all my local media outlets take dictation from our Police Dept press releases, as "news". recent events are AI bot generated with no details at all of what street and who was involved. Sports? heck, Sports Illustrated being AI generated sucks, but the local sports teams are the only thing gettign any journalism at all.
Went to school to be a sports journalist. Wanted to write stories about he people who make sports great so people can know them as people. Had to leave because all they wanted was opinions and rage click bait. Said peace.
Hard truths like it’s rigged and there’s no integrity anymore? We all knew that based on the shitty refs. They should require acting classes before they’re allowed on the field.
I would say this applies to all journalism.
The same people who don’t fund journalism complain when nobody is there to investigate their social ills.
It infuriates me.
I mean, if podcasts count we have more sports journalism. There’s 6 dedicated Philadelphia 76ers podcasts and our team is hot garbage every playoffs. So much dedicated media about the team. Also the players are talking on their own mics on their own shows now. Active ones.
I did not read this Atlantic article. But seems to me smaller entities are figuring out how to sports journalism and its less controlled by corporate conglomerates that happen to own media companies and also the sports teams.
The problem with that thought process is that most podcasting relies on the journalism of others in order to have something to talk about.
Some podcasts are journalistic, but those ones are usually paid for and performed by established media
The great thing about america is we all have freedom of the press. It’s the first amendment. You can be a journalist. I can be a journalist. There’s not really content or medium rules for it. You just get to call it journalism.
Yeah actually there is content and medium rules.
Insurance bonds, standards of practice, and a few other rules.
So you can claim to be a journalist but without the proper press credentials, you are not.
The less people there are that care about sports, the better. At the end of the day it is modern day gladiatorial combat, AKA "keep the masses distracted while the real work takes place".
On Reddit? I use it to get my news, find memes, find solutions to problems, chat with others. This headline showed up on the popular feed. It's a bad headline, using the word "You" means it's directly addressed to anyone who comes across the headline, like me. A better headline would be "People Will Miss Sports Journalism..." or "Many Will Miss Sports Journalism...". I hope this answers your question.
It’s on the sports subreddit, so it’s addressed to people who subscribe to this subreddit (sports fans).
You happen to have seen it on your feed somehow, but I don’t understand why you wouldn’t just scroll past it instead of commenting on it.
Agree to disagree I guess. That's not the way headlines or language work unfortunately. If you print a headline that uses "You" then it's actually addressed to anyone reading it, especially since it's a public subreddit. Otherwise, it would've said "Sports fans" instead. But here's a better question, why wouldn't you just stroll past my comment instead of commenting on it? Or an even better one, why do you care if I don't agree with the headline or don't follow sports?
It’s addressed to anyone who’d find it relevant. That’s like seeing a headline that says, “you’ll regret not investing in this stock” and you comment “I don’t have any money and I don’t invest so no I won’t”. I only care cause you’re on the sports sub, if you don’t like sports then gtfo lol
I'm glad we're finally on the same page! Yes, that stock headline you mention would be another perfect example of one that is poorly written. So happy we got that out of the way and that you finally understood and agreed with what I meant.
As for me getting the f\*\*\* out of the r/sports sub, I'm actually not a member. As I mentioned earlier, the headline appeared in the popular feed of Reddit which aggregates some of the biggest stories on the site at a given time. But now that you mention it, if you get this worked up over comments and it took you that long to understand that I was right then, I dunno, maybe you should gtfo of Reddit LMFAO.
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Sports Journalism needs to be more than reading twitter and retweeting, otherwise its ineffective.
It feels like it's just become insiders copying texts from sources into tweets. It's been a long time since anyone in sports journalism has asked hard questions, the teams treat them as an extension of PR, and those that don't report the team line can lose access.
Jenny Vrentas was doing great work at SI which is what got her picked up the NYT. She did a huge investigation into the Deshaun Watson victims, unearthed much more than the NFLs own investigation and it’s brilliantly written as well. https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/03/25/mmqb-podcast-bonus-episode-inside-the-deshaun-watson-cases
In other SI work, Buzz Bissinger wrote the original "Friday Night Lights" article in SI which then became a book of the same name, then a major movie, then a watered down but still entertaining TV show. The original piece was a brilliant and very sad look at small town Texas high school football. SI used to be some of the best print journalism, period, at least as far English-language and American journalism went.
The book is incredible
> a long time since anyone in sports journalism has asked hard questions Literally the biggest scandal in sports right now, the Shohei Ohtani interpreter gambling story, was unearthed by reporters asking hard questions.
Gotta remember the networks that hire the journalists also put on the games so theres a bias inherent in that. Its just the way life is now
And them just spitting out “gossip” like teen girls…whatever will we do without these heroes we call journalists
Hey you’re doing the smug thing the article’s talking about wow how meta
That's not what it talks about
And it needs to be independent from the very teams and leagues that it covers. Sports journalism is often was too cozy with the leagues, teams and players that it covers to the point where most of it sounds like they are just publishing a press release from the league. Huge media deals and conglomeration of news outlets has led to a lack of criticism in many areas sports is just one.
It is but it makes no money. The economic factors keep first take on tv and not “the sports reporters” with the schaaps of the world
The Schaaps of the world would have no revenue path today. Long-form journalism is dependent on people paying for news. Now everyone says “paywall? Eww. That should be illegal.” Actual journalism costs money.
it is wild to think 20 years ago I paid for CDs, magazines, newspapers. now i just take in the firehose inundated with shit ass ads
Seems short-sighted to destroy sports journalism and ramp up sports gambling simultaneously. Obviously no one ever watched The Fan.
Nobody is intentionally doing that. People pay to gamble (by losing). Nobody wants to pay for journalism. People complain about paywalls.
Perhaps you should engage with it on another level by, like, reading their articles …
The problem is they are restricted to just that.
We haven’t had real sports journalism in years. Right now it’s a business agreement. The teams and athletes give the “journalist” access so they can sell clicks and videos, and in exchange the journalist act as an unofficial marketing team.
NFL insiders work for them and "leak" whatever is leaked to them. Sportswriting has been dead for some time.
Like mainstream journalism, sports journalism is a zombie profession working for billionaires to sell their wares.
It was always like that. William Randolph Hearst was in cahoots with whatever route would sell the most papers, even getting the US into a war. In the 90s it was taboo for baseball reporters to report on the players openly doing steroids in the clubhouse. Reporters got blackballed for it.
Whoa! Thats crazy. Which players were openly doing steroids in the clubhouse and which reporters were blackballed for reporting that?
See the Chicago Bulls. We basically have two reporters. K.C. Johnson & Joe Cowley. K.C. is basically the only one who covers us. Every story is “Bulls lost by 60 as Bulls Player X displays dazzling footwork.”. Straight up team Public Relations & will never rock the boat. Any time they’re done with a player they’ll leak stuff & trash the player to the media like clockwork like “Bulls execs have privately become concerned about anImpatientPenguins work ethic & commitment to the team“ We have one other reporter who basically every “bad” story has to be filtered through because he’s the only one who will tell it. He is HATED by Bulls fans who write off everything he says as just being a “hater” even though he’s been right about a fair bit. It’s like a microcosm of manufacturing consent. If you pay attention, the Bulls LOVE leaking stuff to trash players when they’re done with them or think it could make them look better. I have no idea how guys like KC are considered journalists. They literally just do whatever the front office wants. If I pulled up 20 Bulls articles from the past 30 years rn I bet you could guess his take on every issue just from the title & what I’ve told you. & This is a franchise with a LOT of incompetence, bad working conditions, clownery, etc. under the hood if you look. Our old GM choked out a coach & kept his job for like 10 years.
Same in Boston. Toe the company line or get stonewalled into having no stories
This has always been the case. “Journalists” in the locker room have always turned a blind eye in exchange for access.
Thank you. In the 90s players openly did steroids in the locker room and it was taboo to mention it.
Journalism in general has been replaced by talking heads.
Journalism still exists. Talking heads just get the most attention. We need to support the actual journalists or god help us all.
If you ever listen to post game press conferences it’s journalists asking leading questions to fit the narrative of a story they’re writing, hoping to get a run of the mill quote that offers nothing. It used to be the only way to get news, now we have many options to learn about these players so sports columnists are not valued nearly as much.
This shows a depressing misunderstanding of what sports reporters do, which is far more than “ask questions at press conferences.” Countless huge scandals, from Penn State to the current Shohei Ohtani gambling thing, would never have been brought to light without serious, investigative sports journalism.
Actually, it’s all journalism. What’s left after cost cutting and the focus on clickbait articles, will be devoured by AI.
Destroying journalism to hide problems and distort blame is 100% the point. Distorting truth =$$$$
Honestly, it turns out that the number of "hard truths" about these guys that people care about numbers close to zero. If there are shenanigans, they tend to come to light one way or another. Most day-to-day stuff is pretty worthless, though, and personal stuff is often TMI. The writer describes "nobody knew about the budget" times... well when companies do really well, even today, they piss money away like you wouldn't believe. "Businesses have to be efficient," my ass. Hell, the largesse contributes to the company's reputation. "We're doing so well we don't even care what we spend!" It's only when the tide of the market turns, and managers get the squeeze, that they start penny-pinching and the company becomes the same ol' shithole as everywhere else. The writer describes "nobody gets juicy info from inside the team anymore" and then describes finding out about Pete Rose by... talking to people *outside* the team, all over Ohio. The writer describes "established journalists miss stories in their neighborhood" then describes how maverick journalists outside the establishment got the scoop anyways. Based on this piece, I'm not seeing the actual problem here.
The way those shenanigans come to light is investigative journalism!
Or you know, an IG live inside a strip club 🤣
I'm more worried about actual journalism, not sports.
Do we really need 7 guys from 5 different newspapers asking a player what went wrong after he shot 2-13 or something? I definitely miss the longer form stuff (like from grantland or si back in the day) though. People are generally happy reading a quick tweet from an athlete or an insider or listening to them on a podcast or a show like hot ones. The one area where it makes me nervous is with the gambling; especially in the ncaa sports. If ESPN and the ncaa/nfl/nba are in kahoots, I could see a massive gambling scandal (especially with refs and the nba--we know it's happened) getting swept under the rug. The author mentions stadium deals. The braves stadium deal was highly reported on and was clearly done unethically, if not illegally, to subvert the will of the voters. It didn't change anything and these stadium deals will keep getting done no matter what. They got done when there were tons of reporters and they were bad then.
Grantland was so damn good. Bill Barnwell’s stuff was always a go-to for me, and I’m guessing his work is still high quality because it’s consistently behind a paywall on ESPN’s website.
For $10.99 a month you can read my response on ESPN+
Journalists deserve to get paid for their work too.
I would miss it if it was actual journalism. I spent a few years in the journalism world myself and Video Game and Sports "Journalists" are *really* stretching the definition of the word, they're all just insiders in various pockets.
Why should sports journalism fare any better than all the other journalism? This is a small part of the problem. Journalists are this country's immune system, and we are immunodeficient.
One reason I pay to read the athletic.
FYI those who have an Apple News+ subscription it’s been recently included. Arguably the closest thing to what sports illustrated used to be
Also if you have a sub to the NYT you get the Athletic.
I really, really won’t.
I actually think sports reporters are better and know much more about the intricacies of the games these days. Especially with regards to basketball. My sense is that modern beat sports reporters are very hesitant to truly criticize a player they have to cover on a regular basis. It used to be you could read about which players showed up to camp out of shape and didn’t workout in the off season. They don’t offer up these sorts of criticisms anymore.
Yes, I will miss the 30 different rankings of players or teams all over the same subject or league.
Well we had ESPN take advantage of a young LeBron by agreeing to do that "The Decision" BS which we all knew he would regret. We had ESPN lambast the Patriots needlessly over deflategate, going so far as to give fake reports so they could be the first ones to defame them. The Pats and Brady lost a lot from this. ESPN only gained. And we've had over a decade of Stephen A Smith just screaming at the camera as the backbone of their sports reporting. ESPN absolutely deserves to go bankrupt. Their legacy of milking cable for 20% of the entire cost of any subscription is coming to a glorious end. They can fuck right off.
Journalists buried their heads in the sand when blogging and social media including YouTube started taking over. Unpopular opinion: Blogging and vlogging exposed journalism for the grift that the vast majority of it is. It’s all just PR. Edit: I must have been tired when I wrote that. Corrected.
Really? I feel like there is more than ever before.
The end result may not be better, but a culling has been needed for quite a while.
Why does this post feature one of the rascaliest figures in MLB from decades past?
I prefer to listen to the morons in the room like BigCat, PFT Commenter, and world renown educated person Hank Lockwood
I like Flemloraps on YouTube. Does actual stories about athletes and a lot of info that I blnever knew. He did a great peice on JaMarcus Russell.
Oh yeah. I’ll miss legitimate journalists like Michael Rosenberg exposing lies. /s
What happened to the Bears Defensive Coordinator!!! Maybe we can crowd fund journalists and pick topics for them to Journal.
why would anyone care about the player or the owner is beyond me.. i just turn on tv or stream for couple hours and watch the game… i don’t care what these millionaires do in their private life
Sports journalism is already gone
All journalism. There’s a lot of shit journalism. But the good ones. They’re pretty much the only people trying to keep public officials and corporations to account. It’ll be a free for all open slather on corruption when it’s all gone
Investigative journalism cost too much money and time. The loud mouth debate shows is much cheaper and easier to produce. Sad but the future of sports media doesn't look bright.
Sports journalism has been dead for years
No. No I won’t
I kind of disagree with this. There’s so much data available that was never available before. Whatever’s going on, you’ll see it in the data.
I will not miss it. There’s the door.
If that's what sports journalists are supposed to do, then that died a long ass time ago. Profit motive is what has shifted the role of journalists over time.
Glad to see people are aware of the degradation.
Pfff, no I won't lol. Sports journalism is the least important thing in the world
Oh no, johnny samdstorms on the juice!
I was a sports journalist and there isn’t money in it. Left for corporate marketing back in 2013. Pay for what you get.
You mean like giving our heroes the “Lance Armstrong” treatment? I’m always when some sports legend who is physically stronger and fitter than they were 20 years before, a biological impossibility, is given credit for a “grueling offseason workout program.” Victory goes to the best cheaters in sports now, as in politics and business.
These kids will just listen to some second rate youtuber and be perfectly happy…snd there’s plenty of them:(
Maybe the masses enjoys more direct from the mouth of athletes rather than from MSM. It's good that propaganda outlets are dying everywhere.
Propaganda outlets being … the athletes? In a lot of cases, yes.
When was the last time you saw a confrontation between a coach and a journalist? PLAYOFFS? Marc levy, I believe that’s your IQ buddy. Mike ditka.
Yeah, we’re in pretty rotten shape. Not enough coverage of SafeSport and abuse issues. Shoddy reporting on the U.S. women’s soccer pay dispute, driven mostly by fan media that dared not question the team’s narrative. Not good. But that’s true of journalism in general. Imagine what your local city council can get away with now that the local paper has withered.
I dont even want to waste the time with the sports. What chance do the journos have?
I been missing sports journalism
Do younger generations even watch sports?
Trever Bauers galore.
It's like asking the same questions over and over and over again, with the same responses doesn't attract people's attention. For example in Spain the media bleep up against Ibai(streamer) when he managed to ge Courtois, Reguilon, Neymar to play with him and his friends and got to ask them questions to them but in a funny way, questions that a reporter wouldn't even dare so he got statements that wasn't the usually said by them to the media. We also got to hear them bantering which was fun. The media quickly stated that that wasn't journalism, that what they do it is, the proceeded to do an interview asking the same questions from the last day interview but to other player from a different team. Example of questions: How is the season going? How is the relationship with X teammate/coach/president? What's your feeling about X referee decision?(They would ask this one even if it didn't happen in their match) Who do you think will win the League? Who do you think will win the Champions? If they played with a Superstar. How was training/playing/day to day with X? Obviously the answers to those questions are always politically correct and repeated by all players with slight changes
all my local media outlets take dictation from our Police Dept press releases, as "news". recent events are AI bot generated with no details at all of what street and who was involved. Sports? heck, Sports Illustrated being AI generated sucks, but the local sports teams are the only thing gettign any journalism at all.
Pay for Defector
Sports journalists have become insufferable, self-important douchebags over the past 15 years or so. If it goes away, it’s their own fault.
Went to school to be a sports journalist. Wanted to write stories about he people who make sports great so people can know them as people. Had to leave because all they wanted was opinions and rage click bait. Said peace.
Journalism has been dead other than James okeef really.
Yea, I live in Boston. Sports journalism is as strong as it's ever been.
I bet I wont
Why
Oh like all corporations. Got it
I love sports but I cannot stand spots culture. It gotten to the point where it’s about everything but the game/event itself.
I miss good sports journalism already, it’s already gone!
nah.
Currently, it’s too heavily skewed to focus on male sports and too little on women.
Well maybe it would be nice if they didn't hire hitman to go after a journalist because he exposed some youth coaches to be pdf
Hard truths like it’s rigged and there’s no integrity anymore? We all knew that based on the shitty refs. They should require acting classes before they’re allowed on the field.
I would say this applies to all journalism. The same people who don’t fund journalism complain when nobody is there to investigate their social ills. It infuriates me.
Weird thing to downvote without a reply.
I mean, if podcasts count we have more sports journalism. There’s 6 dedicated Philadelphia 76ers podcasts and our team is hot garbage every playoffs. So much dedicated media about the team. Also the players are talking on their own mics on their own shows now. Active ones. I did not read this Atlantic article. But seems to me smaller entities are figuring out how to sports journalism and its less controlled by corporate conglomerates that happen to own media companies and also the sports teams.
The problem with that thought process is that most podcasting relies on the journalism of others in order to have something to talk about. Some podcasts are journalistic, but those ones are usually paid for and performed by established media
How did you confuse journalism with podcasting??? Youtube your source of news too? Gtfo.
The great thing about america is we all have freedom of the press. It’s the first amendment. You can be a journalist. I can be a journalist. There’s not really content or medium rules for it. You just get to call it journalism.
Yeah actually there is content and medium rules. Insurance bonds, standards of practice, and a few other rules. So you can claim to be a journalist but without the proper press credentials, you are not.
Literally couldn't care less. Meh
Why
The less people there are that care about sports, the better. At the end of the day it is modern day gladiatorial combat, AKA "keep the masses distracted while the real work takes place".
No we don't, especially the bullcrap that they kept feeding us
Som sports journalism is important and productive. Most of it isn't. May be wrong on that, just my perspective.
I really won’t. I don’t follow sports.
Why are you here then
On Reddit? I use it to get my news, find memes, find solutions to problems, chat with others. This headline showed up on the popular feed. It's a bad headline, using the word "You" means it's directly addressed to anyone who comes across the headline, like me. A better headline would be "People Will Miss Sports Journalism..." or "Many Will Miss Sports Journalism...". I hope this answers your question.
It’s on the sports subreddit, so it’s addressed to people who subscribe to this subreddit (sports fans). You happen to have seen it on your feed somehow, but I don’t understand why you wouldn’t just scroll past it instead of commenting on it.
Agree to disagree I guess. That's not the way headlines or language work unfortunately. If you print a headline that uses "You" then it's actually addressed to anyone reading it, especially since it's a public subreddit. Otherwise, it would've said "Sports fans" instead. But here's a better question, why wouldn't you just stroll past my comment instead of commenting on it? Or an even better one, why do you care if I don't agree with the headline or don't follow sports?
It’s addressed to anyone who’d find it relevant. That’s like seeing a headline that says, “you’ll regret not investing in this stock” and you comment “I don’t have any money and I don’t invest so no I won’t”. I only care cause you’re on the sports sub, if you don’t like sports then gtfo lol
I'm glad we're finally on the same page! Yes, that stock headline you mention would be another perfect example of one that is poorly written. So happy we got that out of the way and that you finally understood and agreed with what I meant. As for me getting the f\*\*\* out of the r/sports sub, I'm actually not a member. As I mentioned earlier, the headline appeared in the popular feed of Reddit which aggregates some of the biggest stories on the site at a given time. But now that you mention it, if you get this worked up over comments and it took you that long to understand that I was right then, I dunno, maybe you should gtfo of Reddit LMFAO.
You’re not right. You’re an annoying fuck that comments on shit that you know nothing about and has nothing to do with you lol
Take a breath, calm down, touch grass.
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