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sparkfuzz

Although this would indicate the flame thrower is a bad pick it's lingering damage after the fact is ridiculously good. Very underutilized gun in my opinion


epicfrtniebigchungus

the flames can hit multiple enemies. the flames can tear through gas/goo. the flames can set walls/floors/ceilings on fire from the other side. i play flamethrower-charge heavy to cause chaos and panic and be a menace


Beefy_queefy_0-0

Bingo, flamethrower is only good because of how much utility you can get out of it. In theory it’s the highest DPS gun in the game *if* you catch multiple opponents all bunched up. Also never having to worry about gas is amazing and way underrated


MaybeHannah1234

I slept on flamethrower for almost a hundred hours because it feels so weak in the practice range. Tried it out of curiosity about a week ago and I've never had such an easy time getting kills. Something about it just clicked for me and I love it.


Seobjevo

same, i tried it once weekend for the lols and i almost exclusively play it for more than 100 hours. I had 0,6 KD and now i almost have 1.0


MaybeHannah1234

I'm in pretty much the exact same boat. I'm a heavy main now and my KD is almost above 1 again.


shadowslasher11X

[How it feels to play Flamethrower Heavy.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whv4qi2M8wI)


ninjah232

It's really good on power shift


Virtualspawny

I jumped yesterday on the platform, after I threw flashbang. Fastest 4 kills ever


Polikosaurio

Also add peaking flames through corners / between stair levels, or even my favourite technic: ignoring enemies to lure them into thinking you are not seeing them coming. Then hide on a near window, corner or staircase and counter their ambush via predict their entramce and peeking some flames just before they realise it was a trap all around. Add mesh shield for extra spice after the initial flames so you stop the first panic shoots. Then, the monkey brain starts playing the escape route, and you proceed to add more fire to the recipe. Is just so satisfying getting fire tick kills


EfficientTill2544

Anyone who shades flamethrower just doesent use it correctly https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/s/ZZVqNvTgW8


epicfrtniebigchungus

given i cannot aim for shit, i always go for utility stuff. using meele as little to get picks using the grenade launcher as medium+a heal gun and some support stuff


LeAmazingLauge

the flames can also penetrate shields in the new patch


Chewitt321

Flamethrower ignores mesh and dome shields too, right?


epicfrtniebigchungus

i dont know


Sn2100

I've played against a heavy of your kind. Very intimidating and aggressive style. I like you.


Minaro_

flames can cause me to panic and start missing my hits


NotaDonkey070

My buddy rocks the goo gun and flame thrower. He just goos them then incinerates them while there stuck ive seen him kill so many people it's hilarious at this point


jrmyrmx

I am getting absolutely dumpstered by the flamethrower in most games.. seems to be pretty well utilized 😭


Seobjevo

I've never seen so many flamethrower playes untill the end of the season 1. Now almost everygame theres a heavy with it. +1 including me


elslapos

I main flamethrower. They toast lights much quicker. We were versing 2 light-only teams and when we got the cashbox in a small room it was insta death for any person entering. Fun times


Beefy_queefy_0-0

Yeah the other guns may have higher DPS but when it comes to lights the flamethrower is so much easier to actually hit them with


Seobjevo

and when they all line up and you can see 3 health bars going dooooown


Kuzidas

I really just wish they gave it a touch more range. Not as much as it used to have, but just a lil bit.


AprO_

I had lobbys in ranked tonight with up to 3 teams running alteast 1 flamethrower. It certainly has fastly been climbing in popularity since the nerfs to the meta guns last week.


The_Conductor7274

Glory glory glory what a helluva way to die


Ratchet_X_x

I use the flame thrower to deny areas. It's an intimidating weapon. The brave will usually knock me out, of course; but I'd say, 8/10 times I'll watch the lingering damage get them as well.


Mattriel

Also 420 blaze it


Yukkitio

True i'm currently top 200 World only using it and TTK doesn't mean anything compare to team play :)


Astro_Sn1p3r

I love flamethrower, solely because of this one weapon I have a whole heavy slot just for entirely flame based stuff, flamethrower, pyro nade and mine, goo gun, and just last slot for whatever I feel like lol


whotheFmadethis

Ever since the Lewis gun recoil nerf I’ve switched to the M60 and I’ve gotta say I’ve been loving it. The TTK is roughly the same, it’s got more ammo and the recoil is easier to control!


GrouchySeaweed3070

M60 was always awesome it’s just that fucking reload time


Effective-Ad-5177

You don't need to reload if you have twice the bullets, just stop reloading everytime you shoot, instead do it when there's noone else around


GrouchySeaweed3070

I understand your argument but it’s not very valid in practice.


Tinmanred

I mean it really is valid in practice. Just a ton of people auto reload as if they are getting an active reload like in gears lmao. (I do it too)


GrouchySeaweed3070

Idk when I’m fighting three enemies at once I need more than 70 shots. Then again I play alone and generally have two useless degenerates for teammates


Tinmanred

Well 1v3ing usually isn’t the right play anyways lol and still you got barricade or dome shield or specialist that can all stall a reload. I still like Lewis better but just cuz I’m used to it. But ya soloq teammates be rough


rendar

The point is that using the M60 sets your reload threshold far above every single other weapon by a large margin. Used properly, that massive mag size effectively gets more skirmish leverage because you're still shooting long after everyone else.


BlueHeartBob

> M60 was always awesome it’s just that fucking reload time It was literally always absolute dog shit compared to the Lewis.


dat_GEM_lyf

Wut? M60 is absolute dog shit compared to the M60? You good m8


0rphu

It's gotten several significant buffs that it desperately needed. For example on launch its damage fall-off and recoil made it only effective at close ranges, where the auto shotty was clearly far superior. It didn't compete with the lewis at medium or long ranges either.


dat_GEM_lyf

They edited their comment. Originally it said M60 both places lol


BlueHeartBob

meant Lewis lol


GrouchySeaweed3070

You must be upset about the fcar nerf


Jordi214

both LMGs have the same reload time


NaderBlader

Reload time is identical to the Lewis gun


GrouchySeaweed3070

Ok


R5D1T0R

Hot tip with Lewis recoil, just stop shooting after a handful of rounds and begin again. It resets the recoils pattern and you just control vertical recoil.


TestAccountDw

Same here. It's just better, waiting for others to catch on and it getting a nerf because the recoil is really easy compared to the other guns.


Dirty_Old_Pervvv

Hell yea, 420 for the flame thrower.


Sauron69sMe

hell yea


Old-Ad885

hell yeah


Incognito_Cube

Blaze it


FishbulbSimpson

Getting cooked with the boys


Seobjevo

never played this game sober looool


grinr

My poor grenade launcher is just a joke now. That and 1 charge of C4 means my boom build is dead. sad.


Deku_N

Seriously tho, they took out so much fun builds for the heavy, i see the same shit run everyday now.


Deku_N

Seriously tho, they took out so much fun builds for the heavy, i see the same shit run everyday now.


TripleScoops

There is another...


neonemo666

Whammies!!


SabsWithR

Crazy that the shotgun used to 4 shot a heavy which meant a ttk of 1sec flat. One more shot raised it to over 2 sec due to reload (deserved tho). Actually even lower cuz it used to fire faster so probably had a ttk of like 0.8s which is wild


Beebjank

I used it for the first time today and thought it was horrible. Went right back to the M60


Throwaway_Mania8975

Not deserved imo, it's terrible now


Deku_N

Cap, gun is still top tier.


Throwaway_Mania8975

Absolutely not. 5 shots to kill a heavy from kissing range is just stupid. I'd rather run the sledge, flame or ks23


Deku_N

Have you actually used the SA1216? Keep your cross hair steady ina middle and you will do serious damage a good 15-20ft out


Throwaway_Mania8975

Is your understanding of serious damage 5-10? Because if it is I absolutely agree.


Deku_N

Somebodies not hitting there shots


Throwaway_Mania8975

Somebodies yapping


Deku_N

Somebodies lost an argument 😂


Throwaway_Mania8975

Brother no. I literally just booted up the game to test it. It takes 6-7 shots to kill an heavy from like 10-15 meters. Literally just get any other weapon at that point


CmdPetrie

Is There a Video For light coming Next? Please remind me, If you do one


-MC-ZelDuh-

4:20 blaze it


AyS_tM

Flame thrower is so slow but so aggravating to fight against


Seobjevo

i love when they just run


drassell

Where hammer?


Beatus_Vir

The dummy was backpedaling so the heavy was never able to kill him


Rift____

IIRC the dummies can't be set on fire, so the flamethrower ttk might be off.


NerY_05

What about the hammer 😔


Significant_Grape317

I use flamethrower with goo now just to deal with the amount of lights running invis. As soon as I hear the cloak I do a flaming pirouette 🔥💃


Fastidious_

I mostly used Lewis in S1 but S2 I've been using M60 instead. I'm not finding heavy that much fun in S2 just because of how bad their weapons are. I wish the KS-23 was better so I could use it.


Sorin_Beleren

Yeah. The multiple nerfs were rough. Somewhat warranted, especially nukes, but it feels like we were left with nothing but shields and mediocre guns. Like… I’m glad that the SA1216 got neutered. But could we un-nerf the Lewis and buff the KS-23 so something actually feels rewarding? Spamming the grenade launcher or going brain-off with a flamethrower is fun, but all of the weapons now feel so incredibly… weak. I was really hoping that the KS-23 would be a “skill expression” weapon. High-floor, high-ceiling. But it’s just too clunky to be worth that.


DarthCookieOW

Highest healthpool, best defensive and free burst dmg gadgets, one of the better guns in the game, and still complaining smh


TestAccountDw

Which gun is good for heavy though? Medium and light have 2 better guns than anything heavy has.


Fastidious_

Not complaining in my view, just saying it's not as fun because the weapons suck compared to light/medium. I play those a lot more. If heavy can't frag out as well as light/medium so it's mostly useful for it's utility which is more team oriented. I've been solo queueing for past few months (none of my friends play anymore) so having a good weapon makes a big impact.


DarthCookieOW

The guns don't suck at all tho. Have you seen the TTK on the M60? Or the Lewis gun? That's completely decent


Significant_Grape317

Says the light lol


DarthCookieOW

? Light is the by far worst class in the game with the worst utility and the lowest healthpool. Its only really good gun has comparatively strong recoil and less range


DisciplinedMadness

LH1 is an absolute beast. Only slightly lower optimal ttk up close (without any headshots) than the smgs, but its ttk stays consistent at range, and it takes very few bullets to kill any class in the game comparatively. It also just received an undocumented buff that’s really noticeable (had another at the beginning of s2) I agree the light needs some changes, but their weapons are actually really good and not the issue. The XP54 has less damage falloff than the fcar now 😂


linergod

Sledge main 🫠🤢🥴


Kollishun

i heard from other people that the m60 has slightly more dps than the lewis gun, did something change?


Imaginary-Entry-4896

Now you gotta do it again after the KS buff


M4j3stiQ

Needed to turn up my brightness to tell which gun is which. Iron sights in this game are out of control. Lewis still og huh, recoil pattern on it though I find kinda wild.


HotGarbage_FMJ

Question for the room; why does the class with most health have faster ttk options than medium? I don't understand having more health AND faster damage output (with higher magazine sizes) from a balance perspective.


approveddust698

Because you can just avoid a heavy and out range them


HotGarbage_FMJ

I feel like that's true outside of actually playing the objective. What am I to do when pushing a cashout? Obviously there are ways around it but the class with more health ALSO having more DPS seems strange.


approveddust698

Throw bombs, create long sightlines, come from unexpected angles Heavy is always going to be the last one to make it to safety Lastly heavy excels at being in close if you make it to cash out first and play long he has no use Tanks in a lot of games have high health and high damage but either limited range or mobility


BlueHeartBob

Because this is a range at which heavy excels. Much further and his dps drops dramatically.


AyS_tM

Light next please


GaydarWHEEWHOO

SA1216 got me like Vito Corleone


figgens123

[heavy quad kills](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VZumTHUUfQY)


Iridilum

Woah I might just try the M60 again due to this video. Great testing!


[deleted]

The ability to deal with gas alone is a huge plus for the flamer.


7DeadlySynergy

Greande launcher really seems like it sucks but I’ve gotten multiple teamwipes with it lol


IGuessBruv

Gl kills people ? I had no idea


cringe_at_me

is this before todays patch? shotgun seems a bit slow compared to what it is now.


tripledoublebacon

the lewis gun has 1:40 TTK in the heavies with 350 health and 47 bullets. The M60 has 1:43 with same heatlth and 70 bullets. But the FCAR with 1:35, on a 250 health and only 20 bullets. Why are people complaning about FCAR ?


IRxNdOmzZI

420 blaze it for the flamethrower ❤️


Call_Me_Meme

Heh 420 ttk on a flamethrower


demillertime

Did you do the medium again after the fact Nerf? I feel like ak is better now


ohBloom

Flamethrowers needs a buff idgaf what any of you guys say, “oh it’s multi use for gas goo” well you need to take out enemies too so uh it needs a buff


Mirtilledu312

I think it’s actually well balanced, I main flame thrower and I really like the place it’s in rn, it is sooo good against multiple enemies at the same time


KalikoTheFinalist

All im seeing is FT needs a **buff** (i know its balanced)


Few_Commission_4488

not including sledge hammer? Jesus man use all the weapons ffs.


Knooper_Bunny

Do it yourself


Few_Commission_4488

Right cause you couldn’t think of it 🖕


Knooper_Bunny

6 weapons fit cleanly into 1 video. I plan on doing all the melee weapons in one video when I have the chance. Being a whiney little baby isn't going to make that video happen any faster.


Few_Commission_4488

You didn’t compare all heavy weapons, do it right kiddo. Who cares about the next video, I’m not asking for anything. Straight saying you didn’t use all the weapons 👋


Knooper_Bunny

If you're only interested in trolling, I'm just gonna stop responding. I hope your day gets better.


Few_Commission_4488

Then stop replying 👍


liamo6w

this is such a stupid test


usingbadoperators99

How? It’s showing the ttk at max center mass damage


Seobjevo

this is such a stupid comment


Defiant_Lie_1089

DURRR FCAR IS OVERPOWERED, NERF FCAR. Meanwhile the TTK on Heavy guns, a class with fucking broken ass RPG that takes the majority of your HP instantly and 100 more base health.


ATypicaLegend

The RPG is broken? Thats a new one


Defiant_Lie_1089

You must play heavy then.