I agree with this take here! Plus, if were gonna do outlandish comparisons this early in his career, I'd say this guy is more Kyrie than Curry. Just sayin.
They do it with every player in every sport in all draft forms. Part of a players scouting report & draft profile is a player comp. Why are you acting like it's the first time a rookie has been compared to someone else? It's a normal part of the process.
This is just the natural order. Someone posts a super best case comp, and everyone complains about it. Get over it, you knew what the responses would be when you posted this. Plus my comment here is much tamer than others in this thread so not sure why you are responding to me.
Exactly, the pessimistic loser Minnesota mentality. Ant is changing that. Start to believe. The days of Johnny Flynn over Curry are over! Trust Tim Connolly. He's one of the best GM's in all of sports, so why wouldn't he be able to identify generational talent like his did with Jokic? He has a track record, so there is some valid reasons to hope for the best cases scenario instead of expecting the worst.
No one’s expecting the worst or being pessimistic, it’s just a strange discussion to have. Curry playstyle comp, sure, knock yourself out if you think it fits. Attaching a Curry achievement ceiling to that? Insanely unlikely to the point of not being worth talking about. Should we talk about why Zach Edey doesn’t have a Shaq ceiling either? These guys haven’t played a single minute yet, I admire your optimism but let’s pump the brakes a bit.
Yeah they do it to get clicks, is that your bar for starting a conversation? Lowest common denominator Stephen A level bullshit lmao
The good analysts make comps to realistic and achievable players, not top 15 all time players
They have the exact same game and size & drafted around the same spot. Nobody thought Curry would be this good and maybe the same is true about Dilly. It is possible!
He COULD be. He can't be the next LeBron or Durant, but he can be the next Curry because of size, position, and play style. Even if it's a 1% chance, the possibility is still there because of the similarities they have. It's the star player he has the most in common with
Undersized guys ALWAYS fall in the draft - in all sports - especially NBA where size matters the most. A lot of undersized player go completely undrafted in the NFL.
Love how “slight disappointment” is a 3x 6MotY and 15,000 career point scorer (more than KAT currently).
NBA draft hype is wild lol. Still, I hope that he pans out and he is definitely electric. I would say Lou Williams is like a solid 85th percentile outcome for Dillingham. A perennial sixth man of the year type would be an outstanding pick in a super weak draft. Definitely hope he reaches that apex though and ends up in the Garland (or better) tier.
Good point. Was mostly referring to the fact that you don't envision a top 10 lottery pick as a bench player. However, guy like Lou & Crawford put up starter minutes _ numbers, so I should probably rephrase it. Obviously the expectation is he is the future behind Conley. If he can't start at PG it would be a bit of a disappointment, especially since we have limited assets to get another starting PG of the future
Hyland wasn't a lottery pick. He went in the late 20s. I see your point, but based on draft position he is closer to Curry (7th & 8th). Both top 10 which means expectations are higher for their career. I'd maybe agree if he was drafted outside of the lottery
Thanks! If he becomes a generational talent it will be because he molded his game after Curry. Any lottery pick has a CHANCE to be generational. You just never know. If he does, people will compare him to Curry like they are comparing Ant to MJ
Reed is a good defender, knock on Curry coming out was D just like Rob which caused both to drop a bit. Curry was same size as Rob coming out. Both really tiny
That's all I'm suggesting! If he becomes an all NBA player, that will be who they will start comparing him to. Not Kobe, or KG, or Bird, or MJ. If he gets to that level (99.9% don't) but if he does, he WILL be compared to Curry
Keep in mind NOBODY thought Curry would become that either. Which is part of my point. It's not like he was a top 3 generational prospect like LeBron & Durant - there were tons of Curry doubters. They are saying all of the exact same things about Dilly. DPOY Dray helped Curry's defensive liabilities just like DPOY Rudy will do the same for Dilly :)
*He'll likely be a borderline all-star like Kemba Walker & Darius Garland, but he COULD be the next Curry.*
I always crack up at the floor/ceiling reviews. Sure, Kris Dunn was reported as Dame level upside, Jrue Holiday floor. I get it, college comp vs. NBA comp are two different things, and you see this every year. No one is saying player X has a Dragan Bender floor. Jalen Suggs is Jason Kidd or a bigger Chauncey Billups or DeAaron Fox. Jalen Green is built like Ray Allen and a game like Drexler. Wiseman is a bigger Bosh... DeAndre Jordan/Whiteside type.
So he was a 5 level scorer in college. deep 3, 3, mid, floater (which is quite nice) and rim. That said, from what I've seen he doesn't move like Curry at all without the ball. There's a lot of great shooters out there, but that's a HUGE part of what makes Curry great. He also doesn't have the passing ability. His ball handling does give him those opportunities, but there's been some struggles there. And while no one will mistake Curry for prime CP3 defensively, in his prime he could hold his own. At the college level, I forget which site... BB index maybe, Dillingham was at 1% (bottom 1% of defenders and fell to 0% towards the end of the season. I get the Wolves have great perimeter defenders all over, and that an NBA strength program would likely benefit him there...
Same with the Kyrie comparisons... Yes you can find a beautiful below the rim finish around bigs after a quick blow by on his defender here and there on Dillingham's highlights. Kyrie... that was his norm in college.
I think it's awesome the Wolves got him.. Yes this draft was pretty unanimously considered a weak class. But the Wolves without giving up anything roster wise, or pick wise for the next 7 years got a top 10 talent out of it. Hopefully it ends up better than the 2013 draft (1 all star appearance out of the top 14 players combined). Figure 1/3 of these guys will be all star level, 1/3 will be role players, and 1/3 will bust in an average top 10. Leaning towards the top for the all stars in that group more often than not.
Lets look at the last ten 8th overall picks. and see what a reality ceiling/floor we can make from there.
Last year was Jarace Walker... Trying to get into the rotation his rookie season. 3.6ppg.
PG Dyson Daniels. In the rotation, averaging 6 and 3 in an improved 2nd year.
Franz Wagner... potential all star play there... Good scoring starter.
Obi Toppin, solid rotational piece/lower level spot starter in year 4 on a good team.
Jaxson Hayes, kinda seeing his career peter out.. late rotational regular season, but out of that in the playoffs this year.
Colin Sexton... out of the gate strong... Solid just below all star level guard.
Ntilikina. Given up on.
Marquis Chriss... Phoenix gave up on and outside of some injury replacement time, didn't make much of a mark.
Stanley Johnson... Fringe rotational player for 7-8 years.
Nik Stauskas... kinda the same. fringe rotational guy, tried a comeback after going to spain for a year early on.
I'm just saying... for all the "he's the next Kyrie/Curry talk, the reality is those are the types of players that will be his likely ceiling and floor. Sure I absolutely am half glass floor, hoping he can get to that Colin Sexton/Franz Wagner level of play. But more likely is Obi Toppin/Stanley Johnson type talent. And the floor of course is a bust who the team knows is a bust by the end of year 1 and moves on from already.
**That said...** I think he's clearly going to be the next step in the evolution of the outside shooting guard. You had Reggie, Ray, Curry, now Dillingham, not the next Curry, but the guy that builds on what Curry did and does even better.
Very detailed & respectable analysis. As a lifelong Twolves fan the natural reaction is to EXPECT a major bust or letdown. I am tired of those days. A bust, especially in the NBA, is statistically most likely. I am not disputing that. My point is that IF he becomes a generational talent (.05% chance) - he will be compared to Curry. Of all-time great players, his play style & game is most similar to Curry.
Chill out
I agree with this take here! Plus, if were gonna do outlandish comparisons this early in his career, I'd say this guy is more Kyrie than Curry. Just sayin.
They do it with every player in every sport in all draft forms. Part of a players scouting report & draft profile is a player comp. Why are you acting like it's the first time a rookie has been compared to someone else? It's a normal part of the process.
This is just the natural order. Someone posts a super best case comp, and everyone complains about it. Get over it, you knew what the responses would be when you posted this. Plus my comment here is much tamer than others in this thread so not sure why you are responding to me.
Exactly, the pessimistic loser Minnesota mentality. Ant is changing that. Start to believe. The days of Johnny Flynn over Curry are over! Trust Tim Connolly. He's one of the best GM's in all of sports, so why wouldn't he be able to identify generational talent like his did with Jokic? He has a track record, so there is some valid reasons to hope for the best cases scenario instead of expecting the worst.
No one’s expecting the worst or being pessimistic, it’s just a strange discussion to have. Curry playstyle comp, sure, knock yourself out if you think it fits. Attaching a Curry achievement ceiling to that? Insanely unlikely to the point of not being worth talking about. Should we talk about why Zach Edey doesn’t have a Shaq ceiling either? These guys haven’t played a single minute yet, I admire your optimism but let’s pump the brakes a bit.
Yeah they do it to get clicks, is that your bar for starting a conversation? Lowest common denominator Stephen A level bullshit lmao The good analysts make comps to realistic and achievable players, not top 15 all time players
They have the exact same game and size & drafted around the same spot. Nobody thought Curry would be this good and maybe the same is true about Dilly. It is possible!
Alright I’m hyped about the pick, but let’s relax and see him play first before declaring him the next Curry.
He COULD be. He can't be the next LeBron or Durant, but he can be the next Curry because of size, position, and play style. Even if it's a 1% chance, the possibility is still there because of the similarities they have. It's the star player he has the most in common with
If that's your criteria for "could possibly be Steph Curry" a ton of players fit that and fall way short.
There's not as many as you think. Most undersized PGs don't get drafted in the top 10. A major part of the comp is draft spot (7&8).
Over the history of the NBA I'm betting there's been plenty.
Undersized guys ALWAYS fall in the draft - in all sports - especially NBA where size matters the most. A lot of undersized player go completely undrafted in the NFL.
True, his size was unfortunately the biggest reason he couldn't go higher than 8.
If he was slightly bigger he could've gone 1.
Agreed
He could also be Wilt Chamberlain in Spud Webb’s body.
You leave Spud out of this lol. We're youuuuu in Space Jam??? Yeah that's what I thought
Love how “slight disappointment” is a 3x 6MotY and 15,000 career point scorer (more than KAT currently). NBA draft hype is wild lol. Still, I hope that he pans out and he is definitely electric. I would say Lou Williams is like a solid 85th percentile outcome for Dillingham. A perennial sixth man of the year type would be an outstanding pick in a super weak draft. Definitely hope he reaches that apex though and ends up in the Garland (or better) tier.
Good point. Was mostly referring to the fact that you don't envision a top 10 lottery pick as a bench player. However, guy like Lou & Crawford put up starter minutes _ numbers, so I should probably rephrase it. Obviously the expectation is he is the future behind Conley. If he can't start at PG it would be a bit of a disappointment, especially since we have limited assets to get another starting PG of the future
He has a better chance of being Bones Hyland but go on.
Hyland wasn't a lottery pick. He went in the late 20s. I see your point, but based on draft position he is closer to Curry (7th & 8th). Both top 10 which means expectations are higher for their career. I'd maybe agree if he was drafted outside of the lottery
Draft position aside, he still has a better chance to be Bones Hyland than an all time great.
Based on draft statistics and odds, yes you are right.
Nah, better playmaker than Hyland
Hit the weights and be the next Maxey
Easily that too. Fellow Kentucky alum. He's only 19, so he WILL get bigger as all human beings do from their teenage to adult years lol
All you said is likely and people are pissed. Relax yall let the man have his dream.
Thanks! If he becomes a generational talent it will be because he molded his game after Curry. Any lottery pick has a CHANCE to be generational. You just never know. If he does, people will compare him to Curry like they are comparing Ant to MJ
The only person with comp of curry is Reed sheppard
Reed is a good defender, knock on Curry coming out was D just like Rob which caused both to drop a bit. Curry was same size as Rob coming out. Both really tiny
No, he is more of a Klay Thompson in his prime type of deal
His absolute highest ceiling is to be a Curry esque player but by no means will he be (I would welcome it but cmon bruh lol)
That's all I'm suggesting! If he becomes an all NBA player, that will be who they will start comparing him to. Not Kobe, or KG, or Bird, or MJ. If he gets to that level (99.9% don't) but if he does, he WILL be compared to Curry
So do I. But odds are not good that I’m going to become the greats sharp shooter in NBA history either.
Keep in mind NOBODY thought Curry would become that either. Which is part of my point. It's not like he was a top 3 generational prospect like LeBron & Durant - there were tons of Curry doubters. They are saying all of the exact same things about Dilly. DPOY Dray helped Curry's defensive liabilities just like DPOY Rudy will do the same for Dilly :)
I don’t know about Curry comps man. I do see some Jamal Crawford in the shooting off the dribble though.
What is so drastically different about Curry's play style and skill set compared to Dilly?
Just an incredibly lofty comparison to make IMO. All for it if it turns out to be comparable though
It's the uncanny valley where I am unsure if OP is serious that I think makes these kind of posts less popular.
*He'll likely be a borderline all-star like Kemba Walker & Darius Garland, but he COULD be the next Curry.* I always crack up at the floor/ceiling reviews. Sure, Kris Dunn was reported as Dame level upside, Jrue Holiday floor. I get it, college comp vs. NBA comp are two different things, and you see this every year. No one is saying player X has a Dragan Bender floor. Jalen Suggs is Jason Kidd or a bigger Chauncey Billups or DeAaron Fox. Jalen Green is built like Ray Allen and a game like Drexler. Wiseman is a bigger Bosh... DeAndre Jordan/Whiteside type. So he was a 5 level scorer in college. deep 3, 3, mid, floater (which is quite nice) and rim. That said, from what I've seen he doesn't move like Curry at all without the ball. There's a lot of great shooters out there, but that's a HUGE part of what makes Curry great. He also doesn't have the passing ability. His ball handling does give him those opportunities, but there's been some struggles there. And while no one will mistake Curry for prime CP3 defensively, in his prime he could hold his own. At the college level, I forget which site... BB index maybe, Dillingham was at 1% (bottom 1% of defenders and fell to 0% towards the end of the season. I get the Wolves have great perimeter defenders all over, and that an NBA strength program would likely benefit him there... Same with the Kyrie comparisons... Yes you can find a beautiful below the rim finish around bigs after a quick blow by on his defender here and there on Dillingham's highlights. Kyrie... that was his norm in college. I think it's awesome the Wolves got him.. Yes this draft was pretty unanimously considered a weak class. But the Wolves without giving up anything roster wise, or pick wise for the next 7 years got a top 10 talent out of it. Hopefully it ends up better than the 2013 draft (1 all star appearance out of the top 14 players combined). Figure 1/3 of these guys will be all star level, 1/3 will be role players, and 1/3 will bust in an average top 10. Leaning towards the top for the all stars in that group more often than not. Lets look at the last ten 8th overall picks. and see what a reality ceiling/floor we can make from there. Last year was Jarace Walker... Trying to get into the rotation his rookie season. 3.6ppg. PG Dyson Daniels. In the rotation, averaging 6 and 3 in an improved 2nd year. Franz Wagner... potential all star play there... Good scoring starter. Obi Toppin, solid rotational piece/lower level spot starter in year 4 on a good team. Jaxson Hayes, kinda seeing his career peter out.. late rotational regular season, but out of that in the playoffs this year. Colin Sexton... out of the gate strong... Solid just below all star level guard. Ntilikina. Given up on. Marquis Chriss... Phoenix gave up on and outside of some injury replacement time, didn't make much of a mark. Stanley Johnson... Fringe rotational player for 7-8 years. Nik Stauskas... kinda the same. fringe rotational guy, tried a comeback after going to spain for a year early on. I'm just saying... for all the "he's the next Kyrie/Curry talk, the reality is those are the types of players that will be his likely ceiling and floor. Sure I absolutely am half glass floor, hoping he can get to that Colin Sexton/Franz Wagner level of play. But more likely is Obi Toppin/Stanley Johnson type talent. And the floor of course is a bust who the team knows is a bust by the end of year 1 and moves on from already. **That said...** I think he's clearly going to be the next step in the evolution of the outside shooting guard. You had Reggie, Ray, Curry, now Dillingham, not the next Curry, but the guy that builds on what Curry did and does even better.
Very detailed & respectable analysis. As a lifelong Twolves fan the natural reaction is to EXPECT a major bust or letdown. I am tired of those days. A bust, especially in the NBA, is statistically most likely. I am not disputing that. My point is that IF he becomes a generational talent (.05% chance) - he will be compared to Curry. Of all-time great players, his play style & game is most similar to Curry.