I think it is better though to have the law more in line with what people actually do if we don't consider that thing important enough to enforce. It can create more respect for the laws in general.
I think the bigger issue is less with the legality of the thing and more the speed standards to which the highways are designed with respects to slopes/banks/on ramps. Those are all based on the assumption of vehicle accelerating/moving at X speed in Y distance. There’s safety margins so it’s not a huge deal (given people are going this speed anyway) but they still get tighter as people move faster and you need to update design standards with these new speeds+ buffers in mind
The highways were already overengineered for higher speeds. They are just set lower than the design speed. This is true for all streets in the city, especially the ones they lowered while keeping the design the same.
Not expecting great things from this minor change, but large portions of the 400 series were posted at 110 until the energy crisis in the 70s(?), so this isn't an automatic terrible plan, though higher speed limits is higher carbon emissions at a very high level.
When they first introduced the 110 limits a few years ago, they updated stunt driving rules to set 150 as stunt driving in all cases:
>[Drivers caught driving 150 kilometres per hour or more are subject to stunt driving charges. This applies anywhere in the province, including sections of freeways with limits of 110 kilometres per hour.](https://www.ontario.ca/page/speeding-and-aggressive-driving)
That's when the limit is under 80. When the limit is 80 and up, stunt driving is 50 over. However when they added the first 110 sections they also made 150 stunt driving in all cases, including the 110 sections. [Source](https://www.ontario.ca/page/speeding-and-aggressive-driving).
Maybe just making it 40 everywhere would have been better since there seems to be a lot of confusion over the rules now.
150 or 40/50 over, whichever is first. Higher speed limits do not make drivers drive faster, they just increase the minimum speed at which drivers drive, lowering speed differentials between drivers.
Also works in reverse. If you want drivers to drive a certain speed, keep restricting the road to a point where 80% of drivers stick to the desired speed.
Yeah that rule is stupid. You should design the road for the speed you want and change the road instead of the limit if drivers don't follow the limit.
In summary, here are the areas with the increased speed limits:
Highway 401
* At Tilbury, extending the existing 110 km/h zone further east by 7 km
* From Hwy 35/115 to Cobourg (approximately 35 km)
From Colborne to Belleville (approximately 44 km)
* From Belleville to Kingston (approximately 66 km)
* From Hwy 16 to the Quebec boundary (approximately 107 km)
Highway 403
* From Woodstock to Brantford (approximately 26 km)
* From Brantford to Hamilton (approximately 14.5 km)
* Highway 406 from Thorold to Welland (approximately 13 km)
* Highway 416 from Hwy 401 to Ottawa (approximately 70 km)
* Highway 69 from Sudbury to French River (approximately 60 km
People generally drive whatever higher speeds they want to anyways. Hell the amount of people I see doing a buck twenty on the Allen when it's 90km/h tells me all I need to know about Toronto drivers lead feet.
The folks leaving Quebec along the 401 will think they've died and gone to heaven. Smoother roads and a higher speed limit with fewer police?. Oh Mon Dieu!
I always feel super safe driving with all the qualified drivers we have here in Ontario and its not like gas mileage and death and injuries are exponentially worse over 100km/h. Makes total sense for everyone to go 20% faster. Nothing bad can come of this at all.
Meanwhile sain countries reduce speed limit depending on level of congestion troughout the day to prevent a traffic jam. Not sure what this is meant to achieve.
This is being done in almost entirely rural areas where there are no traffic jams. We’re not talking about the 401 in Toronto, it’s places like Belleville to Kingston or the 403 from Brantford to Woodstock.
Reducing speed is very important on arterial roads in major cities, its less important on rural and exurban freeways where there's limited conflict points with other drivers and virtually none with pedestrians and cyclists. If there is any place where raising the speed limit makes sense, these are the places to do it.
so nothing will change, we'll all just continue to do the standard 120km/h
I think it is better though to have the law more in line with what people actually do if we don't consider that thing important enough to enforce. It can create more respect for the laws in general.
I think the bigger issue is less with the legality of the thing and more the speed standards to which the highways are designed with respects to slopes/banks/on ramps. Those are all based on the assumption of vehicle accelerating/moving at X speed in Y distance. There’s safety margins so it’s not a huge deal (given people are going this speed anyway) but they still get tighter as people move faster and you need to update design standards with these new speeds+ buffers in mind
High 401 was designed with the intention of supporting 120 km/h for ideal traffic management.
The highways were already overengineered for higher speeds. They are just set lower than the design speed. This is true for all streets in the city, especially the ones they lowered while keeping the design the same.
Not expecting great things from this minor change, but large portions of the 400 series were posted at 110 until the energy crisis in the 70s(?), so this isn't an automatic terrible plan, though higher speed limits is higher carbon emissions at a very high level.
Oh no. 130 is now the new 120. And you can bet your ass you're going to see a lot more people doing 150.
The stunt driving threshold at least remains the same, at 150.
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When they first introduced the 110 limits a few years ago, they updated stunt driving rules to set 150 as stunt driving in all cases: >[Drivers caught driving 150 kilometres per hour or more are subject to stunt driving charges. This applies anywhere in the province, including sections of freeways with limits of 110 kilometres per hour.](https://www.ontario.ca/page/speeding-and-aggressive-driving)
Stunt driving is 40 over now.
That's when the limit is under 80. When the limit is 80 and up, stunt driving is 50 over. However when they added the first 110 sections they also made 150 stunt driving in all cases, including the 110 sections. [Source](https://www.ontario.ca/page/speeding-and-aggressive-driving). Maybe just making it 40 everywhere would have been better since there seems to be a lot of confusion over the rules now.
Interesting, I don’t remember that being reported when the change was made. Good to know, thanks!
Yeah, I still see it reported incorrectly in articles recently too.
150 or 40/50 over, whichever is first. Higher speed limits do not make drivers drive faster, they just increase the minimum speed at which drivers drive, lowering speed differentials between drivers.
I think you mean 102 these days
to me this is the clearest indication that an early election is coming
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I’d like to know when you can ever even get near the speed limit on the 401 near Toronto?  jokes
Maybe if you're driving at 3am. And even then I'm not 100% certain.
80th percentile rule. If 90% of your drivers are doing 120, the limit should be 120.
Also works in reverse. If you want drivers to drive a certain speed, keep restricting the road to a point where 80% of drivers stick to the desired speed.
That would be 80% then wouldn't it? I always see this referenced (usually as 85th percentile) but I haven't seen a reason why. It seems arbitrary.
Yeah that rule is stupid. You should design the road for the speed you want and change the road instead of the limit if drivers don't follow the limit.
There will still be some asshole tailing you ina Dodge Ram pickup truck with small penis mirrors
Great now I can be stopped next to a sign that says 120 rather than 100
In summary, here are the areas with the increased speed limits: Highway 401 * At Tilbury, extending the existing 110 km/h zone further east by 7 km * From Hwy 35/115 to Cobourg (approximately 35 km) From Colborne to Belleville (approximately 44 km) * From Belleville to Kingston (approximately 66 km) * From Hwy 16 to the Quebec boundary (approximately 107 km) Highway 403 * From Woodstock to Brantford (approximately 26 km) * From Brantford to Hamilton (approximately 14.5 km) * Highway 406 from Thorold to Welland (approximately 13 km) * Highway 416 from Hwy 401 to Ottawa (approximately 70 km) * Highway 69 from Sudbury to French River (approximately 60 km
Mostly just matching what drivers already do anyway. Many sections of the 401 may as well not have a limit at all based on how traffic usually goes.
People generally drive whatever higher speeds they want to anyways. Hell the amount of people I see doing a buck twenty on the Allen when it's 90km/h tells me all I need to know about Toronto drivers lead feet.
The folks leaving Quebec along the 401 will think they've died and gone to heaven. Smoother roads and a higher speed limit with fewer police?. Oh Mon Dieu!
Driving and highways is the only thing Doug Ford cares about
As long as they lead to a new project his developer buddies are building!
ontario should be dtricter with who they alow drivers licenses and enforce mto rules on the streets to getbthese god awful drivers off the road.
Great! Now I can drive 110 in the slow lane and not have idiots trying to force me onto the shoulder!
I always feel super safe driving with all the qualified drivers we have here in Ontario and its not like gas mileage and death and injuries are exponentially worse over 100km/h. Makes total sense for everyone to go 20% faster. Nothing bad can come of this at all.
They should make every 400 series highway 120 then just install cameras that give you tickets for going anything more than 5 over that.
Automated speed camera on highways (going over the limit) should be used to fine those who drive recklessly.
Meanwhile sain countries reduce speed limit depending on level of congestion troughout the day to prevent a traffic jam. Not sure what this is meant to achieve.
This is being done in almost entirely rural areas where there are no traffic jams. We’re not talking about the 401 in Toronto, it’s places like Belleville to Kingston or the 403 from Brantford to Woodstock.
Which is why this only allows to rural areas and not urban areas like the 401 in Toronto
Reducing speed is very important on arterial roads in major cities, its less important on rural and exurban freeways where there's limited conflict points with other drivers and virtually none with pedestrians and cyclists. If there is any place where raising the speed limit makes sense, these are the places to do it.