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I recall when he was Brexit Secretary and he said on live television regarding Dover something on the lines of ‘I had no idea that so many of our imports and exports passed through Dover’
Ever since then, I’ve regarded that man as an idiot. Surely the country is in safer hands that aren’t his…
“I hadn't quite understood the full extent of this, but if you look at the UK and look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing." Is the precise quote, still not a good look.
The *Tudors* understood how important the crossing was, even when it was limited to primitive sailing ships (“When I am dead and opened, you shall find ‘Calais’ lying in my heart”), and economics hadn’t even been invented yet!
It’s not. Nobody really knew or did anything about how over dependent we were/are on that crossing. One strike by French/British truckers on each side and we are absolutely fucked. By identifying the issue which no one had bothered to talk about before we can reduce dependence and use other ports more. It’s a bad quote only out of context.
>we can reduce dependence and use other ports more
Presumably it's the most popular crossing for a reason. Who's going to take the longer route if they can help it? Bit of a stretch to claim that Raab did everyone a favour by "identifying the issue", especially as he doesn't control any of the haulage companies and hence doesn't get to decide which ports they use.
Other ports didn’t have capacity so there wasn’t any choice in the matter either. There’s lots the gov can do to make sure other options are available if Dover has a problem.
> Nobody really knew or did anything about how over dependent we were/are on that crossing.
Many people knew because it's obvious.
Doing anything to mitigate the potential downsides of Brexit was regarded as heresy.
> Many people knew because it’s obvious.
Obvious in hindsight but no one had done anything about it in decades so clearly didn’t realise how large a problem it was. It was also not much to do with Brexit - it’s a systemic risk that exists with or without Brexit.
I remember reading a comment from Anna Soubry when he was rising up through the cabinet that many were shocked as he had 'struggled' as a junior minister. She was clearly pointing to his incompetence and lack of understanding.
Every time he opened his mouth in an interview he either came across as aggressive or pretty stupid. I remember him being asked at some point about the GFA and if he had read it, to which his reply was no and then decided to instead challenge if the person who was asking the question if they had in the most school playground way possible. I think that was in a select committee meeting.
> Every time he opened his mouth in an interview he either came across as aggressive or pretty stupid.
To be fair to the guy, in most interviews he has succeeded as coming across as both.
Was part of the one third of the tory party that told us that Leaving EU wouldn't economically hurt. I guess he only got a good job as a Leaver. Thanks Brexit!
To be honest, considering I work in the shipping industry, if someone had asked me which port was the biggest for imports and exports, Dover would not have been my first response.
Without getting bogged down in details of specific imports/exports, I'd have probably gone with Felixstowe first, then Liverpool, Southampton and then maybe Dover.
>Most people would probably guess Dover (as for many it's the only port they know).
Probably not. I'd imagine most folk would go with whatever big port is near them. If I asked someone from Southampton, they'd probably say Southampton because of the car port, ferry terminal, cruise terminal, etc.
Given this is the Telegraph simply giving him a platform to make a self defending column, he really should have gone for a title that sounds less like the words of a Saturday morning cartoon antagonist.
Frankly if I was kicked out of a position of power I would also swear revenge on the people of Britain. But that might be part of the reason I'm not suitable for politics.
>I may hate Conservatives and Rabb but he has a point, the Civil Service does activily pursue its own agenda and there is 0 accountability and its next to impossible to get fired from it
Speaking as someone who actually was a civil servant for over three decades with respect you're talking total and utter bollocks there.
The only agenda the Civil Service follows is the government of the day's agenda and I have known lots of folk who have been fired over the years for a wild variety of reasons.
You may find it hard to believe, but as a still serving civil servant of 30 years it’s more or less true - it can be difficult to fire people some times, but that’s what happens when you have HR policies that focus on improvement rather than firing at a seconds notice
No, they just are caught by a constantly changing set of rules that makes little sense. I went through the process too, and understand your frustration, but if anybody had a weird agenda there it’s not the civil servants, but the idiot politicians who guide the whole thing without understanding or caring.
No mate. Sorry, it is a sad situation, but I don’t see how you went from a difficult personal situation to “the whole civil service has an evil agenda or are incompetent.” And the grandparents can surely visit without needing to immigrate?
This is very true. As such, I’m voting up this comment and voting down the article. No need for the exposure, but if anyone does come, they’ll read this first. Opinion isn’t news, Dom.
He helped fuck over afghans who worked with us while we ran away.
All because he was busy sunbathing and the "sea was closed".
Man's a prick, can't believe people vote for him.
Sure, if he'd gone back to a hotel room and was sat at a laptop on a video call or something, that would have been understandable (though it did unfold over the course of a couple of days and he was only a couple of hours flight away). But he was literally sunbathing.
He quite literally did let people get murdered because he wasn't happy about the formatting of a document he was meant to be actioning.
(here: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/05/afghans-died-because-of-dominic-raab-delay-in-reviewing-documents-officials-told)
Also, while Brexit Secretary, he admitted to the Northern Ireland Select Committee that he had never read the Belfast Agreement: “Um, I haven’t sit down and started at the beginning and gone through it… But of course at various points in the negotiations, when issues have been raised, it has been an important opportunity to delve into the different aspects very carefully.” When Lady Hermon pressed him by saying “so you are confirming that you haven’t read the Belfast Agreement” Raab interrupted her: “It’s not like a novel where you sit down and you say ‘do you know what, over the holidays, this is a cracking read’.
Important to bear in mind that the Belfast Agreement was absolutely critical to the Brexit negotiations, and is a whopping 36 pages long.
Thank you for this bit. That is absolutely un-fucking-real. He reminds me of an opponent that turned up in court recently and was just completely blasé about not having complied with requirements of CPR (Civil Procedure Rules), as if nothing happened.
He was instrumental to the point of hilarity in his inability to bring through a "British Bill of Rights" and let's face it we all need a laugh from time to time.
In his defence, they’ve been promising a British Bill of Rights since Cameron was Leader of the Opposition. There have been about half a dozen Lord Chancellors since then.
Yeah but back in those halcyon days the people promising that were smart enough to know it was a ridiculous lie. The pond life we have now seem to be the ones that were dumb enough to believe it.
I think the point he's trying to make is that the standard to dub something bullying is too low and this could dangerously be used down the line to get rid of any minister.
Obviously a delusional nasty prick but worth clarifying.
He made me feel a bit queasy with his forehead vein whenever he appeared on TV utterly clueless and with a vacant look only the clinically braindead could achieve.
The people of Britain & many other countries, have already paid the price for ever letting people like Raab anywhere near the political spectrum. Good riddance, you won't be missed...
Raab's own account, including details of what was found against him.
He begins with complaining that complaints against him had been held back until they were "submitted in a coordinated way", which IIRC was the result of him insisting that no formal complaints had been made, so I would take the rest with a grain of salt.
The MoJ one was, as the investigation report described it as being written by committe or something (not that it really changed anything, but it was one point among a few that went to the complaints credibility). The MoJ was also the first complaint made, the ones for his other departments came through after that, so I can see how he is framing it that way.
Holy shit
The mail auto generator came up with ‘nanny state is harming the native population’ as a possible headline for tomorrow and the telegraph has only gone and smashed it today
He's relying on people not reading the report, or not comprehending what the report actually says. And given the attitudes of the Great British Public, it's probably a gamble that will pay off.
Did the Mail sub editors write this title? Because “YOU’LL ALL PAY” is a weird angle to go for if you’re trying to convince people you’re not a raging prick.
Somebody must have slandered Dominic R., for one morning, without having done anything wrong (As far as he was concerned), he resigned on his own terms and was given a platform in a major national newspaper to explain why he totally wasn't in the wrong.
The problem Raab has is that he only sees things from his own narrow, self-serving perspective. He thinks the world revolves around him and he has no understanding of how other people might feel.
In that respect he is rather similar to Trump.
He is clearly not a good manager, possessing in his toolkit only a very limited range of tools for dealing with people. Furthermore, his comments since he has resigned merely highlight the kind of out-of-touch, self-centred individual that he is.
The reality is he's bought into the ideology big time, but has come to the job with precious little empathy or self awareness.
He should never have survived “I didn’t realise Dover was an important trade hub”, or “don’t bother me about Afghans fleeing now we’ve abandoned them, I’m on holiday.”
Having read the report now, it feels glaringly obvious that if we are to taking Raab at his word, then the man has appalling social skills to the point of being blindly ignorant. That's literally his excuse, and apparently Tolley felt he had to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one because he couldn't easily prove that he wasn't lying on that front.
But even then, the report still describes Raab as having "acted in a way that was in intimidating, in the sense of unreasonably and persistently aggressive conduct ... and involved in an abuse or misuse of power in a way that undermines and humiliates".
The insane thing is that there's folks at the Telegraph trying to twist this as being a story of evil snowflake civil servants - when actually, it's a story of how easy it is for government ministers to get off with a slap on the wrist. If Raab worked for a private business, he would be deep in the shit. As it is, he resigns from cabinet, takes a pay cut, but continues to work as an MP as if nothing major happened. And the DT will give him a free column to whine about how hard done by he is.
It's reasons like this why we need easier parliamentary recall. As I see it, any investigation into an MP that finds them suitably guilty enough should be justification for the bielection petition. Perhaps increase the percentage of the electorate needed to sign to make it more in line.
Raab is another one of the Bojo acolytes who shouldn't have gotten anywhere near any real sort of power. Grossly incompetent and narcissistic enough to think that his opinion matters for anything.
So now he's bullying the entire nation? He should've been sacked years ago for being incompetent, bully or not. There is too much dead weight in this government with people who owe their positions to factionalism rather than ability, and the country suffers as a result. Nobody would run a business or football team like they are running the government.
tl;dr - Raab: "I'm an arrogant knob with next to no self awareness, that might have bullied people a little bit on more then one occasion. I feel that I've been stitched up, even though some of it was true, I'm really innocent though."
That's what they all say...
Oh, woe is me. I’m Dominic Bully, I got caught making civil servants lives hell for doing their job.
Woe is me, I’m Kebab Bully Rab, impaler of civil servants, I’m the victim here, done a shit job and finally got called out. I’m Dominic.
And I shall strive to make every citizen’s life hell for this injustice out of my control. Woe is me. Damm those woke leftie liberals. Im Dominic Rab, in case you couldn’t tell.
Didn't he create this problem by unequivocally and regularly declaring that if he was found against in any way he would resign
If he had a brain he would have said "lets see what the report says" and then argued this case that he's arguing now, and he would probably have survived in government
But that's his style though, isn't it; to come out charging with absolutes?
So funny hearing him try to put on a soft and higher-pitched voice in an interview I heard where he was trying to defend himself. Whatever he’s paying his PR person, it’s too much
Just read the report, seems reasonable to assume he was consistently intimidating and repeatedly referred to the civil servants code as a criticism (ie the code that if you breach you lose your job).... at the very least. So him thinking that his behaviour is acceptable (even after being told it isn't... twice) suggests he's an idiot, unprofessional or a bully.
How will we survive without him in government??!!!!?????!!
I think there’s legit criticisms to be made here
How many months did the guardian / media feed off leaks that raab was a literal hitler - screaming swearing and threatening staff? That there were dozens of complaints going in etc etc.
We now know that to be false. Did he behave badly ? Probably. But theres clearly been a coordinated effort by people who don’t like him to get rid of him. The blob claims another victim. The report never actually says he was a bully - unlike John Bercow for example
who was a serial bully who physically assaulted staff and lied to the investigation.
The complaints seem to be - one lead negotiator at a huge crunch time for brexit went beyond his negotiating mandate and was reprimanded? And some coordinated complaints from his time at the MOJ?
> How many months did the guardian / media feed off leaks
A lot more months than if he’d done the honourable thing and resigned or if Sunak had sacked him once it became clear that he’d been bullying staff.
Blame them, not the Guardian.
> We now know that to be false.
We know the bulking allegations were true. That’s why he’s resigned.
> Did he behave badly ? Probably.
Probably? Think you mean definitely.
> But theres clearly been a coordinated effort by people who don’t like him to get rid of him.
Sunak should have sacked him for misconduct without it taking a coordinated effort.
If he can’t be removed for wrongdoing without people having to go to a huge effort to make it happen, that just shows how corrupt the people protecting him were!
> The blob claims another victim.
Dehumanising people who disagree with you isn’t as clever as you think it is.
Wait until the Unions all realize that a Labour government won't give them the pay rises they want either. Or when Labour starts having to decide which services get extra funding from other services which are cut.
We are all cheering because another git down, but he’s also right. That’s the scary thing.
If we aren’t careful we are going to end up with the American system where every government brings their own staff in and the political neutral civil service are but a memory, this would be a great great loss.
Whatever the merits you can’t have unelected civil servants choosing which ministers they like to work for. It’s all very amusing to the Opposition, but should their time come to have a go at running the country they will not want this kind of interference either. Running an office of State is not a cushion number and things need to get done and done right and if heads need to nocked together to get people of their lazy overpaid protected arses so be it. If they did their jobs right in the first place it wouldn’t have been necessary
>Post-traumatic stress disorder from working in an office?
I take it you've never been bullied by a group of people, or an individual, that its impossible for you to get away from?
> If you don't like your work environment, leave, don't cry about it and make a fool of yourself by claiming that it gave you post-traumatic stress disorder.
It’s not the 1980s any more and people like you and Raab can’t get away with that.
If someone is bullying and harassing them, they have the right to have that person removed rather than the victims having to be the ones to give up their job.
Fuck that, if somebody is intimidating and threatening you don't just suck it up and leave, why should you? The person doing the intimidating is the one who should feel the consequences. I assume you've been lucky enough to have never been on the receiving end of a power tripping prick.
>Post-traumatic stress disorder from working in an office? Fuck me, people like that should be laughed at and immediately sacked.
Yes you can suffer from PTSD from office interactions and from war interactions, it doesn't belittle the significance of either.
If people suffering from PTSD is them being soft then politely you are pretty ignorant of human workings and have no right to belittle it's significance.
The fact is if you are a bully in the work place you are usually sacked, instead of constantly promoted and claim ignorance.
Being bullied can contribute to depression.
Suffering from depression doesn't mean you are soft or weak.
Believing depression is a weakness of character is dumb as fuck and stone age mentality.
Off you go about benefits, I take it you hate anyone who claims their state benefit after being made redundant because business had to close due to the governments failing in managing the country? Do you take any benefit from the state? Child tax credits? There is nothing wrong with claiming benefits and the vast majority are hard workers.
You should see how many MPs aren't hard workers :).
>I know, but if your boss getting a little angry at your poor performance at work and threatening to sack you if you don't improve makes you depressed, then yes, you are soft and weak.
Because they aren't their manager and they were unreasonable? Saying your work is shit is not constructive, threatening to sack them is also putting unnecessary pressure on people.
You are belittling the complaints, I assume it's unintentional but you are essentially gaslighting those people impacted who came forward to complain. This is bad behaviour as it should just be accepted it was bullying as the report lays out.
Some cry conspiracy, others would say it was leaving the tantrum filled room to it.
I’ve never apologised for off the cuff 90’s language, and that’s not going to change.
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I recall when he was Brexit Secretary and he said on live television regarding Dover something on the lines of ‘I had no idea that so many of our imports and exports passed through Dover’ Ever since then, I’ve regarded that man as an idiot. Surely the country is in safer hands that aren’t his…
“I hadn't quite understood the full extent of this, but if you look at the UK and look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing." Is the precise quote, still not a good look.
The *Tudors* understood how important the crossing was, even when it was limited to primitive sailing ships (“When I am dead and opened, you shall find ‘Calais’ lying in my heart”), and economics hadn’t even been invented yet!
I think Mary Tudor was upset at having lost Calais in 1558.
absolutely brain dead honestly
It’s not. Nobody really knew or did anything about how over dependent we were/are on that crossing. One strike by French/British truckers on each side and we are absolutely fucked. By identifying the issue which no one had bothered to talk about before we can reduce dependence and use other ports more. It’s a bad quote only out of context.
>we can reduce dependence and use other ports more Presumably it's the most popular crossing for a reason. Who's going to take the longer route if they can help it? Bit of a stretch to claim that Raab did everyone a favour by "identifying the issue", especially as he doesn't control any of the haulage companies and hence doesn't get to decide which ports they use.
Other ports didn’t have capacity so there wasn’t any choice in the matter either. There’s lots the gov can do to make sure other options are available if Dover has a problem.
> Nobody really knew or did anything about how over dependent we were/are on that crossing. Many people knew because it's obvious. Doing anything to mitigate the potential downsides of Brexit was regarded as heresy.
> Many people knew because it’s obvious. Obvious in hindsight but no one had done anything about it in decades so clearly didn’t realise how large a problem it was. It was also not much to do with Brexit - it’s a systemic risk that exists with or without Brexit.
Yeah it is. Pretty much everyone knew that fgs
Sky showed a video of him in 2011 claiming that he doesn't support the Human Rights Act. Says all that needs to be said.
and thats from an alleged human rights lawyer (himself)
Pork markets ears just perked up "Safer hands? We'll soon see about that!"
I remember reading a comment from Anna Soubry when he was rising up through the cabinet that many were shocked as he had 'struggled' as a junior minister. She was clearly pointing to his incompetence and lack of understanding. Every time he opened his mouth in an interview he either came across as aggressive or pretty stupid. I remember him being asked at some point about the GFA and if he had read it, to which his reply was no and then decided to instead challenge if the person who was asking the question if they had in the most school playground way possible. I think that was in a select committee meeting.
> Every time he opened his mouth in an interview he either came across as aggressive or pretty stupid. To be fair to the guy, in most interviews he has succeeded as coming across as both.
Was part of the one third of the tory party that told us that Leaving EU wouldn't economically hurt. I guess he only got a good job as a Leaver. Thanks Brexit!
To be honest, considering I work in the shipping industry, if someone had asked me which port was the biggest for imports and exports, Dover would not have been my first response. Without getting bogged down in details of specific imports/exports, I'd have probably gone with Felixstowe first, then Liverpool, Southampton and then maybe Dover.
Yes, but: 1. It still is a major UK port. 2. Most people would probably guess Dover (as for many it's the only port they know).
>Most people would probably guess Dover (as for many it's the only port they know). Probably not. I'd imagine most folk would go with whatever big port is near them. If I asked someone from Southampton, they'd probably say Southampton because of the car port, ferry terminal, cruise terminal, etc.
Given this is the Telegraph simply giving him a platform to make a self defending column, he really should have gone for a title that sounds less like the words of a Saturday morning cartoon antagonist.
Frankly if I was kicked out of a position of power I would also swear revenge on the people of Britain. But that might be part of the reason I'm not suitable for politics.
You’d be forgiven for thinking that was exactly what the tories had been doing for the past thirteen years already
No, no have you thought about joining the Tories? You're just what they're looking for.
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>I may hate Conservatives and Rabb but he has a point, the Civil Service does activily pursue its own agenda and there is 0 accountability and its next to impossible to get fired from it Speaking as someone who actually was a civil servant for over three decades with respect you're talking total and utter bollocks there. The only agenda the Civil Service follows is the government of the day's agenda and I have known lots of folk who have been fired over the years for a wild variety of reasons.
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You may find it hard to believe, but as a still serving civil servant of 30 years it’s more or less true - it can be difficult to fire people some times, but that’s what happens when you have HR policies that focus on improvement rather than firing at a seconds notice
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No, they just are caught by a constantly changing set of rules that makes little sense. I went through the process too, and understand your frustration, but if anybody had a weird agenda there it’s not the civil servants, but the idiot politicians who guide the whole thing without understanding or caring.
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No mate. Sorry, it is a sad situation, but I don’t see how you went from a difficult personal situation to “the whole civil service has an evil agenda or are incompetent.” And the grandparents can surely visit without needing to immigrate?
Buddy, that's not a "Civil Service agenda", that's doing what their boss - in this case, Suella Braverman - tells them to do.
wow one of the first post i have seen today and already a contender for dumbest read of the day.
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ignorance formed by rw media is not a n opinion.
"I would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for those pesky complainers!"
> and *that dog*
He'll show us. Show us all. Show us ALL!
“You will pay” are definitely the words used by the goodies
That's the problem, people who commit crimes dont pay in this country, when they should. The law shouldn't be toothless, quite the opposite.
This is very true. As such, I’m voting up this comment and voting down the article. No need for the exposure, but if anyone does come, they’ll read this first. Opinion isn’t news, Dom.
The BBC gave him a platform too, fuck knows why
Britain will rue the day they rejected my offer!
> "The people were Raabed!" - Bully-Boy Dom
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He helped fuck over afghans who worked with us while we ran away. All because he was busy sunbathing and the "sea was closed". Man's a prick, can't believe people vote for him.
In Esher? I can.
Hey, as someone from esher and Walton in our defence he only won with a minority due to a split vote between labour and the dems.
He should have been distant third or fourth as his best result so still not making you look good
TBF he was in communication with Whitehall where he was. If he'd jumped on a plane he may have been uncontactable for hours.
Sure, if he'd gone back to a hotel room and was sat at a laptop on a video call or something, that would have been understandable (though it did unfold over the course of a couple of days and he was only a couple of hours flight away). But he was literally sunbathing.
many many lines of coke?
Together with Rishi, the self-described Coke addict.
Don’t forget Gove! He likes a line as big as a poodle’s leg
Sweet baby Jesus. There goes my tea.
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According to who?
It was.... Rebekah Vardy
Used to do cocaine.. or charlie.. Can tell u a few of em have a quick sniff... eyes are good indicator..
His list of achievements include….. Nope. I’ve got nothing.
His name sounds like a reversing sheep?
He got a black belt in karate, not sure if he mentioned that one. Also his wife thinks he's very handsome.
He also has the most prominent temple-vein-throb of any cabinet minister.
It's almost like he's ready to murder someone over the quality of their business cards.
He quite literally did let people get murdered because he wasn't happy about the formatting of a document he was meant to be actioning. (here: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/05/afghans-died-because-of-dominic-raab-delay-in-reviewing-documents-officials-told)
He was a key player in the brexit negotiations that definitely haven't negatively impacted the economy.
Ah yes, the Brexit secretary that didn't understand the importance of the Dover/Calais crossing.
Also, while Brexit Secretary, he admitted to the Northern Ireland Select Committee that he had never read the Belfast Agreement: “Um, I haven’t sit down and started at the beginning and gone through it… But of course at various points in the negotiations, when issues have been raised, it has been an important opportunity to delve into the different aspects very carefully.” When Lady Hermon pressed him by saying “so you are confirming that you haven’t read the Belfast Agreement” Raab interrupted her: “It’s not like a novel where you sit down and you say ‘do you know what, over the holidays, this is a cracking read’. Important to bear in mind that the Belfast Agreement was absolutely critical to the Brexit negotiations, and is a whopping 36 pages long.
Thank you for this bit. That is absolutely un-fucking-real. He reminds me of an opponent that turned up in court recently and was just completely blasé about not having complied with requirements of CPR (Civil Procedure Rules), as if nothing happened.
He was instrumental to the point of hilarity in his inability to bring through a "British Bill of Rights" and let's face it we all need a laugh from time to time.
In his defence, they’ve been promising a British Bill of Rights since Cameron was Leader of the Opposition. There have been about half a dozen Lord Chancellors since then.
Yeah but back in those halcyon days the people promising that were smart enough to know it was a ridiculous lie. The pond life we have now seem to be the ones that were dumb enough to believe it.
He strode up to the sea and declared it closed and it bent to his sheer force of will, something even Cnut the Great was unable to achieve
There aren’t many Cnuts greater than Raab.
I think the point he's trying to make is that the standard to dub something bullying is too low and this could dangerously be used down the line to get rid of any minister. Obviously a delusional nasty prick but worth clarifying.
"Can't a man even do a little bullying in peace?”
It would be great if we could devise a system where the people in government chosen to represent the people are chosen by the people.
Except this guy was actually bullying
Having 24 formal complaints lodged against you is definitely a total normal thing.
Without him who would have known that Dover was an important port for Britain!? Without such insight this country is doomed!
He made me feel a bit queasy with his forehead vein whenever he appeared on TV utterly clueless and with a vacant look only the clinically braindead could achieve.
Being held in contempt of court by demanding no-one speak to probation boards
Got into a fight with Liz Truss over the keys to Chevening?
The people of Britain & many other countries, have already paid the price for ever letting people like Raab anywhere near the political spectrum. Good riddance, you won't be missed...
Based on previous Ministerial exits, I wouldn't bet on him never being part of a Cabinet again...
Christ, just reading that headline it sounds like he's trying to bully the whole British public now.
Raab's own account, including details of what was found against him. He begins with complaining that complaints against him had been held back until they were "submitted in a coordinated way", which IIRC was the result of him insisting that no formal complaints had been made, so I would take the rest with a grain of salt.
The MoJ one was, as the investigation report described it as being written by committe or something (not that it really changed anything, but it was one point among a few that went to the complaints credibility). The MoJ was also the first complaint made, the ones for his other departments came through after that, so I can see how he is framing it that way.
Holy shit The mail auto generator came up with ‘nanny state is harming the native population’ as a possible headline for tomorrow and the telegraph has only gone and smashed it today
>Normal rules of evidence and procedural fairness were disapplied. Says man only his best friend, the Prime Minster of the country, can legally sack.
"Tell them they'll live to regret this" [Writes newspaper column] "Oh thanks, now *I* look crazy"
You know, if you really think you're that cleared you'd be fine with releasing all of this and would stay in your position. Sounds sus.
He's relying on people not reading the report, or not comprehending what the report actually says. And given the attitudes of the Great British Public, it's probably a gamble that will pay off.
He really is a pantomime villain. If this apologia is sincere, why on earth has he resigned?
More Thick of It than panto.
Probably forced to by Rishi.
Did the Mail sub editors write this title? Because “YOU’LL ALL PAY” is a weird angle to go for if you’re trying to convince people you’re not a raging prick.
Looks more like a thumb to me.
If a tight elastic band cut off circulation.
Somebody must have slandered Dominic R., for one morning, without having done anything wrong (As far as he was concerned), he resigned on his own terms and was given a platform in a major national newspaper to explain why he totally wasn't in the wrong.
Yeah, we'll be kicking ourselves next time we need someone to bottle it when evacuating people from Afghanistan
DR: I'm not a bully and I've never bullied anyone Also DR: You're all going to pay for this! I'm already planning my retribution
The problem Raab has is that he only sees things from his own narrow, self-serving perspective. He thinks the world revolves around him and he has no understanding of how other people might feel. In that respect he is rather similar to Trump. He is clearly not a good manager, possessing in his toolkit only a very limited range of tools for dealing with people. Furthermore, his comments since he has resigned merely highlight the kind of out-of-touch, self-centred individual that he is. The reality is he's bought into the ideology big time, but has come to the job with precious little empathy or self awareness.
He's right...I for one worry about the people of Britain without Dominic Raab there to protect them.
Who else is going to tell them to stop hitting themselves?
He is a hero. Not the hero we deserved but the hero we needed. /s (oh so so much /s)
He should never have survived “I didn’t realise Dover was an important trade hub”, or “don’t bother me about Afghans fleeing now we’ve abandoned them, I’m on holiday.”
Having read the report now, it feels glaringly obvious that if we are to taking Raab at his word, then the man has appalling social skills to the point of being blindly ignorant. That's literally his excuse, and apparently Tolley felt he had to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one because he couldn't easily prove that he wasn't lying on that front. But even then, the report still describes Raab as having "acted in a way that was in intimidating, in the sense of unreasonably and persistently aggressive conduct ... and involved in an abuse or misuse of power in a way that undermines and humiliates". The insane thing is that there's folks at the Telegraph trying to twist this as being a story of evil snowflake civil servants - when actually, it's a story of how easy it is for government ministers to get off with a slap on the wrist. If Raab worked for a private business, he would be deep in the shit. As it is, he resigns from cabinet, takes a pay cut, but continues to work as an MP as if nothing major happened. And the DT will give him a free column to whine about how hard done by he is.
It's reasons like this why we need easier parliamentary recall. As I see it, any investigation into an MP that finds them suitably guilty enough should be justification for the bielection petition. Perhaps increase the percentage of the electorate needed to sign to make it more in line.
Britain is paying the price of your enormous effort in spreading misinformation in regards to Brexit. You're a detriment to this country.
Would he like to share the motivation of these 15 or so co-conspirators as to why they filed these complaints against him?
Probably either the anti-growth coalition or a remoaner conspiracy. Although you don’t hear much about the latter these days.
The Islington tofu cabal?
I think he is a bully. But I also think groupthink is a thing. If it was one department he may have a point. But it is multiple departments.
I am sure mr 'the sea was closed' will be a terrible loss to the nation. These muppets really do think a lot of themselves.
Raab is another one of the Bojo acolytes who shouldn't have gotten anywhere near any real sort of power. Grossly incompetent and narcissistic enough to think that his opinion matters for anything.
What a self righteous little shit, it's quite incredible he genuinely believes he is the victim in this situation.
Alan B'Stard - blames everyone for not liking his success at controlling the civil service and vows revenge.
So now he's bullying the entire nation? He should've been sacked years ago for being incompetent, bully or not. There is too much dead weight in this government with people who owe their positions to factionalism rather than ability, and the country suffers as a result. Nobody would run a business or football team like they are running the government.
tl;dr - Raab: "I'm an arrogant knob with next to no self awareness, that might have bullied people a little bit on more then one occasion. I feel that I've been stitched up, even though some of it was true, I'm really innocent though." That's what they all say...
I'll tell you what's Kafkaesque. Denying people ID cards, then requiring ID cards in order to vote, while claiming to espouse the ideals of democracy.
Oh, woe is me. I’m Dominic Bully, I got caught making civil servants lives hell for doing their job. Woe is me, I’m Kebab Bully Rab, impaler of civil servants, I’m the victim here, done a shit job and finally got called out. I’m Dominic. And I shall strive to make every citizen’s life hell for this injustice out of my control. Woe is me. Damm those woke leftie liberals. Im Dominic Rab, in case you couldn’t tell.
Didn't he create this problem by unequivocally and regularly declaring that if he was found against in any way he would resign If he had a brain he would have said "lets see what the report says" and then argued this case that he's arguing now, and he would probably have survived in government But that's his style though, isn't it; to come out charging with absolutes?
So funny hearing him try to put on a soft and higher-pitched voice in an interview I heard where he was trying to defend himself. Whatever he’s paying his PR person, it’s too much
As if we have anything left to pay with. Name your price Raab, hand me the bill and I'll wipe myself with it.
Just read the report, seems reasonable to assume he was consistently intimidating and repeatedly referred to the civil servants code as a criticism (ie the code that if you breach you lose your job).... at the very least. So him thinking that his behaviour is acceptable (even after being told it isn't... twice) suggests he's an idiot, unprofessional or a bully. How will we survive without him in government??!!!!?????!!
If his account is true it does seem a bit weak. But really we need the full report to make a judgement.
I think there’s legit criticisms to be made here How many months did the guardian / media feed off leaks that raab was a literal hitler - screaming swearing and threatening staff? That there were dozens of complaints going in etc etc. We now know that to be false. Did he behave badly ? Probably. But theres clearly been a coordinated effort by people who don’t like him to get rid of him. The blob claims another victim. The report never actually says he was a bully - unlike John Bercow for example who was a serial bully who physically assaulted staff and lied to the investigation. The complaints seem to be - one lead negotiator at a huge crunch time for brexit went beyond his negotiating mandate and was reprimanded? And some coordinated complaints from his time at the MOJ?
What are you on about? Load of nonsense. He was awful and bullied people. He lacks the skills to be in a position of that level.
Hi, did you read the report? Thanks.
> How many months did the guardian / media feed off leaks A lot more months than if he’d done the honourable thing and resigned or if Sunak had sacked him once it became clear that he’d been bullying staff. Blame them, not the Guardian. > We now know that to be false. We know the bulking allegations were true. That’s why he’s resigned. > Did he behave badly ? Probably. Probably? Think you mean definitely. > But theres clearly been a coordinated effort by people who don’t like him to get rid of him. Sunak should have sacked him for misconduct without it taking a coordinated effort. If he can’t be removed for wrongdoing without people having to go to a huge effort to make it happen, that just shows how corrupt the people protecting him were! > The blob claims another victim. Dehumanising people who disagree with you isn’t as clever as you think it is.
I do wonder what happens when we have a Labour government and this happens again.
Lol it obviously won’t happen because you won’t have union reps coordinating complaints about ministers they don’t like.
Wait until the Unions all realize that a Labour government won't give them the pay rises they want either. Or when Labour starts having to decide which services get extra funding from other services which are cut.
You are heavily downvoted on this sewer of a sub, suggesting you're right on the money with this.
We are all cheering because another git down, but he’s also right. That’s the scary thing. If we aren’t careful we are going to end up with the American system where every government brings their own staff in and the political neutral civil service are but a memory, this would be a great great loss.
Whatever the merits you can’t have unelected civil servants choosing which ministers they like to work for. It’s all very amusing to the Opposition, but should their time come to have a go at running the country they will not want this kind of interference either. Running an office of State is not a cushion number and things need to get done and done right and if heads need to nocked together to get people of their lazy overpaid protected arses so be it. If they did their jobs right in the first place it wouldn’t have been necessary
If you think civil servants are overpaid, you're believing Daily Mail rants, not facts.
Any proof that civil servants are lazy and overpaid?
People quit their jobs because of shit bosses in all fields all the time.
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>Post-traumatic stress disorder from working in an office? I take it you've never been bullied by a group of people, or an individual, that its impossible for you to get away from?
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> If you don't like your work environment, leave, don't cry about it and make a fool of yourself by claiming that it gave you post-traumatic stress disorder. It’s not the 1980s any more and people like you and Raab can’t get away with that. If someone is bullying and harassing them, they have the right to have that person removed rather than the victims having to be the ones to give up their job.
Fuck that, if somebody is intimidating and threatening you don't just suck it up and leave, why should you? The person doing the intimidating is the one who should feel the consequences. I assume you've been lucky enough to have never been on the receiving end of a power tripping prick.
Reading his posts, my money is on the giving side.
You do realise that your cartoonish school-based examples of bullying don't entirely sum up bullying, right?
What makes you think they weren't actually bullied? You seem to know an awful lot about it.
>Post-traumatic stress disorder from working in an office? Fuck me, people like that should be laughed at and immediately sacked. Yes you can suffer from PTSD from office interactions and from war interactions, it doesn't belittle the significance of either. If people suffering from PTSD is them being soft then politely you are pretty ignorant of human workings and have no right to belittle it's significance. The fact is if you are a bully in the work place you are usually sacked, instead of constantly promoted and claim ignorance.
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Being bullied can contribute to depression. Suffering from depression doesn't mean you are soft or weak. Believing depression is a weakness of character is dumb as fuck and stone age mentality. Off you go about benefits, I take it you hate anyone who claims their state benefit after being made redundant because business had to close due to the governments failing in managing the country? Do you take any benefit from the state? Child tax credits? There is nothing wrong with claiming benefits and the vast majority are hard workers. You should see how many MPs aren't hard workers :).
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>I know, but if your boss getting a little angry at your poor performance at work and threatening to sack you if you don't improve makes you depressed, then yes, you are soft and weak. Because they aren't their manager and they were unreasonable? Saying your work is shit is not constructive, threatening to sack them is also putting unnecessary pressure on people. You are belittling the complaints, I assume it's unintentional but you are essentially gaslighting those people impacted who came forward to complain. This is bad behaviour as it should just be accepted it was bullying as the report lays out.
“Won’t be long before I can’t belittle others at work.” Nice hill to die on friend
> Everyone's gone soft as fuck. Fortunately we have internet hardmen to point this out to us. Phew!
Blame HR, playing the secret victim has never been so powerful.
Was it HR that sent you on gardening leave for homophobic pro bullying remarks in the past?
As I was saying, anonymity leads to…
Accurate reports of past conduct you have personally suppressed?
Some cry conspiracy, others would say it was leaving the tantrum filled room to it. I’ve never apologised for off the cuff 90’s language, and that’s not going to change.
I’ll give you a tenner if you can find someone who gives a crap about this guy on a sunny Friday afternoon.
It's been pissing it down all day here, and I still don't give a crap about this guy.