EVE always looked awesome to me. I have a friend who was super into it and asked him to show me some cool stuff and he just sat in a space station showing me trades going on.
While I don't do any trading, that part of the game is actually what makes the whole game so good. Like 99% of the economy is player based. Almost everything on the market is being produced, procured, sold or bought by players. That's what gives things their value.
If you blow up a ship, you know that someone built it with materials and components they had to get from somewhere.
From what i heard back when I looked into playing it, a consequence of a player driven economy was basically hyper-capitalism?
Where the richest (oldest) players/groups sit on amount of wealth that's practically unreachable in a reasonable time frame for new players who're doomed to slave away?
Yes. Oldest corporations (\~guilds) own permanent tier 2 blueprints which cannot be obtained anymore. Anyone else can obtain T2 blueprint which can be used to draft only like 5 items and at a higher cost and that's it. So those older players essentially have monopoly on almost best gear.
Moreover instead of traditional exp gaining for killing mobs EVE uses time based training - just choose skill and wait. Don't even have to be online. Last time I checked devs added ability to trade exp but prices are really high so they aren't reasonably attainable by new players.
To be fair, the T2 BPOs left over from the raffle days account for only a small percentage of the T2 modules produced now, per CCP. I think the Damage Control II BPOs still left are tied to like 5-7% of Damage Control II modules being produced. And that was from a few years back.
To expand on this a bit, the way BPOs (blueprint originals) work is that you can either
1) produce an item directly with it
2) create a BPC (blueprint copy), and produce items from the copy
BPOs have unlimited "runs" (i.e. times they can manufacture the item). BPCs have a limited amount of runs.
When you're making copies, you can choose how many copies to make, and how many runs each copy has (up to some max number like 5,10,20, etc. More runs or more copies means a longer time to produce the BPC(s).
Now, presently, Tech 2 items (advanced items) don't have BPOs available to buy. You buy the Tech 1 BPO for that same item, make BPCs of it, and then "research" the BPCs for a **chance** to turn the T1 BPC into a T2 BPC.
So for that reason, T2 BPOs which are still around are very valuable, because it allows you to bypass the research part and go straight to production.
The thing is, there aren't a lot of T2 BPOs around, and you can't get more, so at some point the optimal production output of them is still capped relative to how fast you can make BPCs from them, versus how fast you can set up a bunch of T1 BPO -> T1 BPC -> T2 BPC jobs as a pipeline.
In other words, if I go buy 50 T1 Damage Control BPOs (which are cheap as dirt), I can probably get a pretty damn good supply cadence of T2 BPCs from them, and not have to pay the hundreds of billions of ISK to buy the T2 BPO.
Yes, but to be fair those hyper-rich have nothing to spend their money on.
There are a few 'prestige' ships that are super rare and not able to be produced (usually because they were given out as rewards for the Alliance Tournament), but they're not remotely powerful enough to justify the cost, it's more like art trading.
An actual, normal player can get access to 99% of the ships and stuff, playing solo or with a small group.
I mined my way to a carrier early on (as in, I literally mined asteroids until I could manufacture all the components, and then use the components to manufacture the ship). When I last played, I was manufacturing them en masse. All solo.
Above regular carriers are just "super carriers" aka 'motherships', which are just bigger and more powerful carriers, and titans.
Yeah that last bit was what I was unsure about. I didn't actually even play the game, I was under the impression that, because there's pvp in the game, new players basically have zero hope.
But I guess it's not that bleak.
There are lots of ways to make money.
You start with a small amount, but you'll probably be gifted a few mil/hundred mil by freindly pilots.
From there it's up to you, you can mine the base minerals from asteroid belts, you could buy base materials and make stuff to sell on the market. You could buy stuff on the market, move it somewhere else where there isn't that stuff, and sell it for more.
You could doing ratting in belts or anomalies and collect bounties. You could scan down more lucrative combat sites and make more money. There's also data/relic sites you need to hack and get loot to sell.
You can mine planets/moons for materials and sell them.
And many many other more niche ways of making money.
I made most of my money margin trading in jita, and supplying more remote stations with less active markets stuff they need.
I remember hearing about one alliance killing all the ice miners (and getting killed by the police in turn) and buying all the ice up so there was no fuel for space stations available, and because of it they all started shutting down, it made for easy pickings.
I've never really seen anything like that in any other game.
EVE is a hyper accelerated logistic war simulator. This means 90% of it is prep and prep is always boring. But then, in that last 10% everything goes sideways and the best stories and lore get made.
Some people never undock, it’s a pretty amazing game if you get going. My favorite part was trying to take on 1vMany fights by myself. It’s worth putting with for a while to see if you can get into it.
I am a member of a larger alliance. There are people in the alliance I’ve never seen in game, they only handle administrative duties for the alliance. That’s how they enjoy playing the game I guess.
It's most of the satisfaction of being a real life accountant without any of the consequences. And you don't need to go into debt and get a degree first. If you have the skills, that's all that matters.
it seems like the kind of game that would be more fun to me with bots; the idea of spending so many hours building up a ship to lose it in 5 minutes sounds absolutely awful
Most people aren't building their ships they are buying them with in game currency. Industrialists are the ones building ships en masse. EVE players think of their ships more like you would ammunition than something to get attached to.
If you can't buy five of them at a time, you probably shouldn't be undocking it. (Exceptions apply. Sometimes it's your alliance that's footing the bill.)
>the idea of spending so many hours building up a ship to lose it in 5 minutes
This sort of thing does happen, but as you learn more, that ratio flips. I can spend 5 minutes earning the cash to buy a ship that I can roam around in for hours.
Also the required time investment means that the fighting \*matters\*. You can't just press the space-bar and respawn, there's something more meaningful at stake here.
Lots of players report getting the "PvP Shakes" - a big rush of adrenaline as you put some of your hard work at risk vs. another player. Some people dig that, some people don't.
That was pretty crappy of him. But there are trade players that are so invested in the economy and trading that they don't play the other aspects of the game.
That was me until I quit. I had to be a one man corp because I was doing so many open contracts and networking with transport pilots and crews. My address book was so full of my contractors when CCP went to shrink it because most people weren't using many I almost broke their database and they locked my address book for almost a year.
I wouldn't have had to pay for the game anymore but I decided to diversify and CCP and BOB I think maniputlated the market for almost a year and a half and gutted me. My friend just kept on doing a variation of what I was doing and in that time crushed me profit wise.
Trade and playing the market supply game was real and more cutthroat than the PVP game.
This is the most interesting comments section I've ever stumbled upon. Half the people in here are describing the game as an abusive relationship and the other half are describing it as a second job. But all are describing it fondly. So astounding.
Eve is the best game i've ever quit. I generally had good self-control, never no-lifing WoW back in 2006 despite the urge to do it. But Eve? I gladly skipped out on work to stare for hours at what is essentially a traffic light into a solar system. Because we were evicting some ratfucks who didn't agree to our honorable demand of "Pay us or we burn your house down". So they had to be killed. Even if it meant doing nothing but watching paint dry for hours when I should be working.
I got addicted to trading. Realized I was spending literally hours of my life refreshing a window and moving various orders up or down 0.01 isk. Once that clicked in my mind I just could never get back into it. Hundreds of hours of fun fighting in 0.0, pirating low-sec, and that moment just broke it all for me.
I was finally a multi-billionaire in a space game that was too nerdy for polite conversation, I could fly whatever I wanted without really worrying about the loss, but at what cost?
I thought you meant actual stock trading when I read this. And I was like, wow I wonder how much he made. But now, I'm asking do you think it would have been more worthwhile to trade stocks?
Yeah this is every game for me now. I’m so excited for some achievement in the game and then take a step back and think “okay but what does that do for me outside of this game”
Kinda sad, I just don’t enjoy video games like I used to :(
Amusingly, I no-life nearly every game I play and love theorycrafting via arcane and tedious rulesets.
Yet when I played EVE I was so incredibly bored in the first 3 hours I logged off and never bothered getting back on to check if I ever finished training.
Was the training reading a book? Or doing something? I don't know. I can't remember. The actual game interface was clicking a button and then waiting for it to finish several hours (or days?) later, and I couldn't really do anything until it was done.
I love hearing about the lore of EVE, but jesus H christ the gameplay- at least the last time I tried it, which admittedly was 5+ years ago, was god awful.
It's a very much hot or cold game. Most people I know get turned off, they don't click with the game mechanics and its slow-paced nature. But if it's hot for you, whoo boy will it grab you by the balls.
I've never gotten a real rush of adrenaline from game, like really getting the jitters, except from Eve. Which sounds stupid for a game that is basically Excel: The Game. But it's not an uncommon experience for Eve vets and, in my wormhole corp, was a bit of a rite of passage for the newbies to get the jitters during their first real op and then inevitably ask "Is that common?".
I can think of about a dozen truly exhilarating video game experiences I've had.
Like actual hands shaking, adrenaline pumping, couldn't replicate the feeling of I tried moments.
10 of them are from EvE. The other 2 were at LAN parties.
Oh man, I once got that playing league of legends because one of the dudes on the other team was the guy being a total cunt on my team in the last game. I've never tried harder than I did in that moment. When we won, I literally had to get up and leave the room for several minutes to calm down.
Once the cheating problem is more resolved, I'd love to.
But I'm not willing to spend money to get dunked on by cheaters when so many more hanging fruit of the anticheat tree have yet to be plucked.
Someday, I'm confident they'll get there, and then I'm WAY into that
I think it's a particularly strong experience in games with heavy investment, and heavy loss. It sucks when you lose hours of investment in something, but the exhilaration of *almost* losing, but squeaking by with a win just can't be matched.
It's a fine game. It's an MMO, so there's always some people who will get addicted and take it too far, but there's plenty of us that get a lot of enjoyment from EVE without it ruining our lives.
There have been a handful of people I've played with or interacted with over the years that ended up as CCPers. The company definitely values the playerbase, regardless of what some may say.
Whether that hiring from the playerbase is a good thing or a bad thing due to perspective while playing is up for debate, but its very cool to see old friends be paid for their passion. It's awesome to see. :)
oh man, never got into any of the expansions, but original WoW held fond memories. So when WoW Classic came out, I sunk my teeth into it since I now was older and more capable in gaming. Man it was a blast from the past, such a refreshing game. One of the most enjoyable things I think it has in common with EvE online is the random social encounters. In WoW Classic, you would run into another person hunting for that 1 Quest Boss you gotta kill. The Boss only spawns once every 15 mins or so... so you either fight for control of it, or you team up for just the kill. So you would find people you would run into again and again, and saying "Oh Hey xXxDragonSlayerxXx, how's it been!" to this rando who you inhabit the world with. Or in my case, I teamed up with a rando in the starting zone day 1 so we could get the quests done (Because it was PACKED). We end up chatting, turns out we are both in the same profession, both have fond memories of WoW, etc. I end up joining him and his friends, built a Guild from the ground up, and we were the first to kill Raganoros on our server. All from a random encounter on day 1. I had similar experiences when I played EvE, randomly encounter people in a Asteroid belt - chat, do shit with them, friend them, then rinse repeat... join their corp... prosper.
There is something quite enjoyable to me that this kind of social interaction was possible in such an unstructured way in both games.
The downside for me, as with most, is the game play itself. You get to a point in both games where you see the cyclical grind for no real purpose, and you become disillusioned with what you are doing.
In WoW Original, it was grinding a warlock in Tanaris , in Wow Classic it was a grind-fest that is guild raids to get and share loot drops, for EvE it was the skill training and repetitive nature of farming Rats or Instances.
But man do I love the randomness of the social interactions... The next new-age game that can reproduce that is going to fuck my Real life up.
What you're describing is what happens when you have infinite in game resources, where the only cost is actual time to the player.
It's actually fairly fascinating from a meta perspective. In real life, most people won't take on a fight unless there is a good chance of winning, but that's because they might die permanently as a result. In Eve, that fear has been replaced somewhat for the fear of lost time, but the fear of loss still remains.
When given a choice to retreat or lose, most will retreat, especially if you can regain anything given enough time. There just isn't incentive to fight over resources when they are always plentiful and respawning.
Interesting. I had exactly the opposite take. imo this behavior is caused by scarcity, not abundance. Stuff is expensive in EVE, the ships you fly often take multiple weeks or even months of grinding to afford & train for. Fighting represents a very real risk of wasting so much effort for nothing, and the satisfaction of beating an opponent doesn't really compare to the reality of losing and having to start all over from square 1. I know the advice is always to only fly what you can afford to lose; but let's be real, no one really follows this advice. People get greedy and want to fly big ships (which is natural, it's a game after all) and are then terrified of losing them.
Resource wars don't make a lot of sense because of scarcity too. If you want resources (and you don't want to gather them yourself), you will have to buy them from someone who does want to gather resources. It doesn't matter whether they are from your own corp or another corp, the resources are worth the same either way. So you're not saving any money by capturing a resource unless you actually intend to mine it yourself. Because of this, wars don't make much practical sense; they're more of a vanity project fueled by patriotism, boredom, and a desire to fuel the economy by forcing resources to be distributed and used. Very much like in real life ...
In any other game I play I hear people complaining about grinds for certain things taking upwards of 50+ hours and I kinda laugh. Sure I've played RS on and off for the last 2 decades but I'd probably, comfortably say I dumped ~6-7k hours worth of time into it over that period and that barely scratches the surface of longtime players
Having only read/observed Eve, I still reserve a special awe for it.
Yeah for sure, I was playing bloodborne the other week and a guide told me "most people don't do the chalice dungeon challenges, as it can be up to an extra 15-20 hour grind" and I'm thinking.... ok and?
But the sheer amount of info you need to know with EVE, thats way too intimidating for me
This is correct. It's literally a second job when you get into the bigger corporations. At one point I was the leader of a group that merged with another group, we had like 60 players and the majority were on for hours every single day. We then joined an even bigger group and after a few months I was called out for "only being on and helping the Corp 20 some hours a week". I said yeah, it's a game. And then I was told if I can't be on 30+ hours helping out that I would be kicked out. That was my wake up call it was time to quit. Sold one of my characters on eBay for $600. Tried to sell another one but CCP, the parent company, figured out who I was and banned my account.
Reminds me of a trailer that was made for elite dangerous that is actually pretty neat, but then got a lot of meme edits
For example:
Trailer showed a tense dogfight between two ships taking place near a space station
Edit was how that would go in game ie immediately fined for discharging weapons near a civilian population center, and then blown out of the sky by security forces for continuing to ignore commands to power down weapon systems.
It's one of those games that is incredibly awesome but you can't help but to grow bored of it. It's very repetitive most of the time and lacks content.
Tbf most if not all multi-player online games eventually get reduced down to numbers in spreadsheets due to our propensity to optimize. Eve just added it to their gameplay.
\[WP\] We encounter aliens. Space warfare proves too unpredictable for our AI and it fails at leading our remote fleet. AI calculates our best hope is the EVE player base at the helm of our armada.
It has been years since I played, and I still end up talking like I'm in a warship's CIC when I'm playing games... got taught how to FC by folks in the navy, picked up a lot of their mannerisms.
The war will feature at least once a fleet admiral getting fragged mid-battle as the battle starts turning against the humans. The aliens are mystified intercepting the human comms during this event as to what "Kurator is primary" is supposed to mean
It's funny, when Amazon was building their New World MMO the initial builds were sandbox full loot PVP focused with base building and no consistent safe areas. During one of their alphas, they recruited a notorious EVE corporation to join the alpha and disrupt things. They ended up (to my recollection) totally taking over the entire map and were ruthless.
This is always funny but in my experience the real trailer is closer to what comms are normally like. Unless its a TiDi shitfest then its all bussines.
Even the groups who buy into that fantasy of being businesslike and important quickly devolve into yelling and shouting and childish behavior the moment something goes wrong.
If you’re in a Corp or an alliance where your FCs are behaving like that on the regular, the best advice is to gtfo and find a new Corp because 1) nobody need to take that kind of abuse over virtual space ships and 2) FCs like that will get your hard earned virtual space ships blown up over stupid shit.
Yeah, every now and again I think 'boy, maybe I should try EVE again, it was really intense sometimes!'
And then I remember how most of the time it was a horrific pseudo second job, but with more verbal abuse and petty bullshit than actual fun.
I literally only reliably had a good time when playing PVE and interacting with nobody. So I might as well do that in a game better designed for it.
1000% the reason why I bailed years ago. I felt myself getting viscerally upset over the abuse some players exuded, particularly when I would snap myself out of the 5+ hour sessions I used to put into it in single sessions. Haven't really touched any MMOs since tbh.
Most of my experience of yelling has been stressed out FCs. I've even lost my cool once after a REALLY long FCing shift.
I don't think it's a common occurence outside of senior FCs that are under actual stress ("it's a game" is a fine mentality for most, but when you accept responsibility for the fun of thousands of other people, there's definitely real pressure involved) or junior FCs that are arrogant and take themselves way too seriously.
Think of it less as literal induvidual parties at that scale, and more like something akin to actual military leadership structure. One main commander issuing broad orders to thousands of people, while subcommanders handle more small scale decision making.
In a sense, but usually only for the once-in-a-blue-moon battles (B-R, M2, etc). As much as the TiDi sucks, it's still a hell of a fun experience.
In battles that large, very sophisticated C&C structures are used. And it helps that Eve is populated heavily by military and IT people who will naturally prefer these kinds of structures anyways.
M2, for example, lasted 14 hours straight.
FCs delegated to FCs, who delegated to FCs. There'd be someone at the top controlling the entire side. They'd be issuing direction to 1-2 FCs in charge of Titans. 1-2 in charge of supercarriers. 4-5 in charge of dreads and carriers. And there'd be dozens running sub-cap fleets.
Big corps like that have alt requirements, if you want to fly supers (and in fact, some even require that you fly supers before they'll take you).
You've got a titan alt. You've got a supercarrier alt. You've got 2-4 dread alts, some have carrier alts. You've typically got a logistics pilot alt, in addition to a subcap alt for ships that pewpew. A good number of players also have mining alts (I knew a guy who multiboxed 40 mining alts.. he could suck a belt dry faster than a $5 crack whore who just got a $20 tip).
So not only do you have thousands of players, but many are bringing 4-10 accounts to the fight.
It ends up being a LOT to keep track of.
> I knew a guy who multiboxed 40 mining alts
I want to know what this type of person's day to day is like. How do you build up to 40 alts? The logistics seem like a pain in the ass, but the *cost*. Are they mostly alpha accounts? I hope he's not paying for all that.
Reminds me of this industry dude I watched on Twitch. Guy was coordinating dozens of shipments and manufacturing and shit. Taking new orders live on stream and handling business. Basically running a manufacturing company as a hobby.
So at this point we need history YouTubers to cover Eve and documentaries on the longer lasting groups. I don't play, but honestly this is very interesting to me in a similar way as the channels which do battle analysis of Agincourt or Alexander the Great.
I'm the same now, I'm EVE retired.
It is cool to have contributed to EVE history though. The stress is worth it in hindsight when you can look at it with rose tinted glasses and see the things you did. Luckily the headaches seem to fade faster than the fun times haha. I'd never do it again though.
I did a decade, noped out a couple years ago and never looked back. It’s funny how swept up in eve ya get right, then take a break and it’s like “oh yeah, I got a wife and kids” hahaha
Obligatory Dreddit is recruiting (probably? Haven’t kept up)
>Dreddit is recruiting
Yes, but also...oof. TEST kinda died after WWBII haha.
I didn't have a wife and kids when I did it, just headaches and timers. haha
I heard pgl and vily completely fucked up the war. I definitely had some good times with test but that was where I was when I decided to quit. Was in goons for a few years before and had objectively way more fun, but left there when they turtled up in Sacconnen (sp?) in lowsec after the first wwb.
It was exactly having to wait or max effort for fun that killed it for me. I got too old and busy for getting blue balled in a dread or bashing 100 astras in a night. Fuck citadels, fuck jump fatigue, etc. CCP was the worst. Also the best.
This is what introduced me to the game.
Invested long five years. I realized it was an abusive relationship and that I needed to get out.
Still think about returning.
Stay strong brother. I've stayed clean for 17 years. Do like me and fill up some of the freed time with projects that take less effort, like raising children.
I signed up and got on as a beta tester for Eve. I remember thinking this isn't a video game, this is the second life, and I don't got time for this. And I never played it again.
Same happened to me. As a 90's kid playing Elite on my C64 this was basically my dream come true, until I realized few months in how much it would take time to actually do anything of interest in there.
Also if you want to play nullsec/wormhole stuff, this is not one of those games where you can hit the pause and go for lunch, or sleep, or anything. EVEr.
They're very much outliers, but I was in a couple of 16 hour fleets during WWB2 last year due to time dialation. It's insane to be playing in the same solar system as literally a few thousand other people in the same fight.
EVE is the greatest experience I have ever had in a video game.
However, I hit a point where I could either play EVE, or do literally anything else with my life. I went cold turkey. I still dream about it every now and then.
EVE gave me massive anxiety, trust issues, and a feeling of loneliness. Every time I tried to join a group, they'd pressure me into stuff I wasn't comfortable with, like spending every bit I had on a ship to do wormhole stuff. I lost my ship on the third day, and instead of helping, they laughed in chat about how they weren't gonna fund or carry me.
I kept playing because I kept paying. The day I stopped, it felt like I escaped from an abusive relationship.
edit: oh and on top of that, they could of course look me up and see all the expensive stuff I lost and they said "nah sorry, we don't trust you, you've lost billions in fights you could easily win"
That's bullshit. You can do what you want in the game. All I do in Eve is blow shit up. No spread sheets, no boring PvE, no grinding, and no second jobs.
Eve gets that reputation because the game has a lot of depth. Some of the things you can do look a lot like jobs. But you can also just blow shit up.
I think EVE has that reputation because people try and spot the differences between EVE and other games. There's so many differences it's hard to explain them in any kind of concise way.
So it gets simplified into "fights with thousands of people" and "excel in space", both of which are vast oversimplifications.
Honestly that exact experience is why I always reccomend players join either EVE University or the big nullblock newbie corps. EVE University is a trusted partner of the game and the big nullblock newbie corps are not going to scam you. Sure you may not want to be a permanent nullsec space player but they will at least teach you the game and replace your losses.
I'm in one of those big groups (Test Alliance Please Ignore) and I often recommend joining a group like that. They have a lot of support for newer players.
I had a good time in TEST around 2016 or so, played for a solid month or two and really enjoyed it. Life got in the way. If I ever come back, I hope they let me stay around.
Yup - I was a beta tester too. Enjoyed it for a while after release but I gave it up as I realised I really don't enjoy MMO games.
I wanted some thing like Elite where I could fly about doing my own shit - I had no interest in being railroaded into a massive mega-corp run by a profane 14-year-old with an energy-drink dependency.
Utterly beautiful game to look at, but the above, plus the fact that the Excel in Space joke is really true, and I gave up on it.
I've never looked back fondly on any of my life spent playing mmo's. they're a good cope though when other elements of life are missing or too stressful to think about
That's why I stayed away from ever touching it in the first place. You don't get the full experience unless you fully commit to it, which is basically almost a second job in itself.
This is what me and my friends did when we played - chill little four-man mining corp that hung out in lowsec and mined while chatting on discord and listening to the amazing soundtrack.
I played a great deal of Eve for a while. Yes, there are some incredible moments. Sadly, they're separated by vast gulfs of what is basically a really boring second job. :/
It depends entirely on what you do, I know a guy who literally just hunts people in Faction Warfare space and never does PVE because he feels the same way.
The new player experience can be tough, its very difficult to solo which is why people always push for you to join a player group. Also the high security space that you start in is actually harder for a new player.
This is the kind of game that reminds me how many millions of niches there are in the world with devoted fanbases and shared stories, all siloed from each other to the point that in 50 years everything will be its own experiential nano-universe and we will have nothing in common with the average person we see in reality
The number 1 game I'll never play but love reading/hearing experiences about.
Highly recommend Empires of Eve. Basically a history book about civilisations founding and wars but instead of Romans it's "And then the Goon Squad did x".
Shit's fascinating.
> Empires of Eve
oh man. i bet this is good. i've only heard about one story where someone did a ponzi scheme sort of thing
- pretended to setup a group buy
- was a thing where he convinced a lot of groups to buy a blueprint for $10 billion dollar (game money) for expensive ship schematic
- spent weeks or months convincing groups to put in their millions into the buy
- after whatever # of weeks, original guy setting it up transferred money to a dummy account and got away
- after he pulled it off on the new account he got bored.
- ended up dumping the 2 billion he made or whatever on some random new person and he just quit eve
if that book is filled with more things like that? then dam. you son of a bitch, i'm in.
I played Eve in beta and for a while after release. I remember the first 'live' day where nobody could train skills and later the exorbitant price of tech II capacitor rechargers. I did a very little bit of light PvP but mostly ran agent missions. Why did I stop? That's easy to explain. PvP makes me anxious and I hate losing things in games. I also hate playing on my own which happened a lot because some corps just flop after a week or so. Mainly it was the losing things and PvP anxiety.
I will say that the video does a great job of showing what PvP might look like but unless things have changed drastically any very large fleet action uses time dilation to slow everything down so the servers don't combust. The comms in the video must be from very organised groups too. I never had anything like that but I always preferred smaller groups for skirmishes over massive battles.
My big issue with eve is literally everything you do is competitive.
Trying to sell off loot? Gotta compete with the market and truck that shit to Jita and hope you don't get fucked on the way.
Trying to do missions? Better hurry up or people are gonna jump in with you and steal your shit.
Just wanna have a chill day and go mining? Better wake up early for belt respawn and get in there before the whole place is ripped to shreds.
I used to love Eve. Played from 06 to 13. Still fire it up every now and then to look at my stuff. Ship design is 2nd to none. So pretty!
But these days I play games to relax and have a good time with friends. I don't want to jump into something on my off time and feel constantly on edge or that I'm not doing the best stuff for my time. Nah not for me anymore.
But please god damn give me Freelancer or the X Series with the control style from Eve.
Quit playing for real back around 2008, I played from pretty much the start. 95% of what I did was solo, I just enjoyed it. Missions, mining, trading, pirate hunting. What ever I wanted to do that day I knew a way to solo it and make decent money. Bought any ship I wanted, had all those years of training, more cash than I knew what to do with it.
I tried to come back around 2016 maybe. I started building all the spreadsheets you need to do every single one of those activities and learn what changed in 8 years. Got about 75% back to understanding the game again and just gave up. It was just too much effort.
A reminder that since it is a very big sandbox, you'll have a lot more fun if you go in with a clear idea of what you want out of it as opposed to 'it looks nice'.
I went in with the desire to singlehandedly change the course of a battle. I did that. And it was fucking awesome.
The problem is once you accomplish that goal, you either have to commit to doing it again or finding something else. I was satisfied with what I did so I quit EVE and never touched it again.
Like that one guy who infiltrated an organization, became the leader, then destroyed the organization because he was actually a part of another organization! Lol
How come we don't hear stories from the game as often? I love the idea of the game, but I know I won't get through the learning curve. Still, I loved reading about the stories of the big battles or the scrappy pilots who take on the big boys, etc. It feels like the last few years I haven't heard as much about it. While I understand that the game probably isn't for me, I love hearing about the antics.
https://www.mmorpg.com/news/over-4000-eve-online-players-clashed-overnight-in-x47l-q-over-a-trillion-isk-lost-in-14-hours-2000127682
They definitely still happen, I just think they don't get reported as much.
Eve is one of the best games I’ve ever played. I put close to 4k hours in the first two years playing..
Now I’m an adult and have responsibilities though so probably never touch it again sadly.
Ah yes eve, What a stellar game, but oh man as others said its like a second life lol.
I managed to get into Pandemic legion for a bit, at the time I recall they were the bad ass you don't mess with them kinda corp.../alliance. It was a blast with those like 1,000+ player battles.
I don't have the time for it no more lol.
I had a great couple years playing EvE Online with my brother, mostly just quietly ice mining and running missions and trading for interesting items. Became a collector and was working on getting "one of everything".
Until the game company banned me and my brother in the so-called "Unrighteous Fury" ban wave, supposedly for real-money-trading, which neither of us had ever done. Years of game play down the drain. What a stupid game.
I'd much prefer they actually get proof before banning players, maybe a "Righteous Fury" ban wave where it is actually warranted. Still pisses me off.
Rather partial to the one where one of the first Titan ships was being built. A hostile group had gotten intel about which system their enemies were building the ship. Deciding they didn't want their enemy to have it they went to blow up the dock it was being built in.
They arrive with a big force, and immediately see a big enemy force defending a dock. They go have a big battle, and after a lot of effort manage to blow the dock up.
A while later the group building the Titan announces they have finished construction. The dock that had been blown up was empty, the real dock that was in that system was sitting undefended the whole time. The attacking group just assumed the one that was being defended would be the one with the Titan being built in it.
Ah yes, SirMolle's famous gambit. Great story.
The same alliance (Band of Brothers) is part of perhaps the most legendary story of EVE Online - despite being absolute kings of large-scale PvP at the time, they got disbanded with one click from a disgruntled director who defected to their rivals (Goonswarm). By the time they got the command chain back together, most of their territory was already lost and they never bounced back from that.
I am actually in this video, flying in a Brave fleet. It's a great game, and a horrible time sink. Some of the most exciting, sweaty palm moments of my gaming life have been in Eve and some of the most boring as well. I was "space rich" as they call it, used my real life skills to set up trade shops near conflict areas on alts.
Was a great experience that I will never do again.
I miss this game so much. Played from 2003 to 2011. Started in Fountain Alliance and finished in Morsus Mihi. I tried coming back to the game in 2018, but so much had changed and I didn't know hardly anyone. I couldn't even get back into the Corp I helped found (Shiva). Sold my Mothership and quit again.
Great trailer.. Brought back a lot of memories.
EVE always looked awesome to me. I have a friend who was super into it and asked him to show me some cool stuff and he just sat in a space station showing me trades going on.
While I don't do any trading, that part of the game is actually what makes the whole game so good. Like 99% of the economy is player based. Almost everything on the market is being produced, procured, sold or bought by players. That's what gives things their value. If you blow up a ship, you know that someone built it with materials and components they had to get from somewhere.
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Ultimately money (isk) comes from bounties, mission rewards, and selling PVE related loot to NPCs.
From what i heard back when I looked into playing it, a consequence of a player driven economy was basically hyper-capitalism? Where the richest (oldest) players/groups sit on amount of wealth that's practically unreachable in a reasonable time frame for new players who're doomed to slave away?
Yes. Oldest corporations (\~guilds) own permanent tier 2 blueprints which cannot be obtained anymore. Anyone else can obtain T2 blueprint which can be used to draft only like 5 items and at a higher cost and that's it. So those older players essentially have monopoly on almost best gear. Moreover instead of traditional exp gaining for killing mobs EVE uses time based training - just choose skill and wait. Don't even have to be online. Last time I checked devs added ability to trade exp but prices are really high so they aren't reasonably attainable by new players.
To be fair, the T2 BPOs left over from the raffle days account for only a small percentage of the T2 modules produced now, per CCP. I think the Damage Control II BPOs still left are tied to like 5-7% of Damage Control II modules being produced. And that was from a few years back. To expand on this a bit, the way BPOs (blueprint originals) work is that you can either 1) produce an item directly with it 2) create a BPC (blueprint copy), and produce items from the copy BPOs have unlimited "runs" (i.e. times they can manufacture the item). BPCs have a limited amount of runs. When you're making copies, you can choose how many copies to make, and how many runs each copy has (up to some max number like 5,10,20, etc. More runs or more copies means a longer time to produce the BPC(s). Now, presently, Tech 2 items (advanced items) don't have BPOs available to buy. You buy the Tech 1 BPO for that same item, make BPCs of it, and then "research" the BPCs for a **chance** to turn the T1 BPC into a T2 BPC. So for that reason, T2 BPOs which are still around are very valuable, because it allows you to bypass the research part and go straight to production. The thing is, there aren't a lot of T2 BPOs around, and you can't get more, so at some point the optimal production output of them is still capped relative to how fast you can make BPCs from them, versus how fast you can set up a bunch of T1 BPO -> T1 BPC -> T2 BPC jobs as a pipeline. In other words, if I go buy 50 T1 Damage Control BPOs (which are cheap as dirt), I can probably get a pretty damn good supply cadence of T2 BPCs from them, and not have to pay the hundreds of billions of ISK to buy the T2 BPO.
I like your funny words magic man
People who are into the markets and production in eve are a whole other beast.
I'm high when I read those and it made complete sense. But I don't understand anything that they said.
Yes, but to be fair those hyper-rich have nothing to spend their money on. There are a few 'prestige' ships that are super rare and not able to be produced (usually because they were given out as rewards for the Alliance Tournament), but they're not remotely powerful enough to justify the cost, it's more like art trading. An actual, normal player can get access to 99% of the ships and stuff, playing solo or with a small group. I mined my way to a carrier early on (as in, I literally mined asteroids until I could manufacture all the components, and then use the components to manufacture the ship). When I last played, I was manufacturing them en masse. All solo. Above regular carriers are just "super carriers" aka 'motherships', which are just bigger and more powerful carriers, and titans.
Sounds like real life.
Yeah, so much fun!
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Yeah that last bit was what I was unsure about. I didn't actually even play the game, I was under the impression that, because there's pvp in the game, new players basically have zero hope. But I guess it's not that bleak.
Or you infil a corp and gain their trust after years and steal all their stuff to sell like I did
There are lots of ways to make money. You start with a small amount, but you'll probably be gifted a few mil/hundred mil by freindly pilots. From there it's up to you, you can mine the base minerals from asteroid belts, you could buy base materials and make stuff to sell on the market. You could buy stuff on the market, move it somewhere else where there isn't that stuff, and sell it for more. You could doing ratting in belts or anomalies and collect bounties. You could scan down more lucrative combat sites and make more money. There's also data/relic sites you need to hack and get loot to sell. You can mine planets/moons for materials and sell them. And many many other more niche ways of making money. I made most of my money margin trading in jita, and supplying more remote stations with less active markets stuff they need.
Asteroid mining, quests do give some small amount of money
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I remember hearing about one alliance killing all the ice miners (and getting killed by the police in turn) and buying all the ice up so there was no fuel for space stations available, and because of it they all started shutting down, it made for easy pickings. I've never really seen anything like that in any other game.
EVE is a hyper accelerated logistic war simulator. This means 90% of it is prep and prep is always boring. But then, in that last 10% everything goes sideways and the best stories and lore get made.
You forgot ultrarealiatic corporate espionage simulator and the high treason generation algorithm.
Some people never undock, it’s a pretty amazing game if you get going. My favorite part was trying to take on 1vMany fights by myself. It’s worth putting with for a while to see if you can get into it.
I am a member of a larger alliance. There are people in the alliance I’ve never seen in game, they only handle administrative duties for the alliance. That’s how they enjoy playing the game I guess.
Spreadsheet warriors. Their battles are with Google sheets/Excel formulas and a mistake can mean millions or even billions lost for the alliance.
Accountants in space!
We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon... but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales and sing our whaling tune!
It's most of the satisfaction of being a real life accountant without any of the consequences. And you don't need to go into debt and get a degree first. If you have the skills, that's all that matters.
Yeah, the trick is finding what niche you like. I found trading to be really dull but loved wormhole exploration.
The prettiest spreadsheet in existence. :)
it seems like the kind of game that would be more fun to me with bots; the idea of spending so many hours building up a ship to lose it in 5 minutes sounds absolutely awful
Most people aren't building their ships they are buying them with in game currency. Industrialists are the ones building ships en masse. EVE players think of their ships more like you would ammunition than something to get attached to.
If you can't buy five of them at a time, you probably shouldn't be undocking it. (Exceptions apply. Sometimes it's your alliance that's footing the bill.)
>the idea of spending so many hours building up a ship to lose it in 5 minutes This sort of thing does happen, but as you learn more, that ratio flips. I can spend 5 minutes earning the cash to buy a ship that I can roam around in for hours. Also the required time investment means that the fighting \*matters\*. You can't just press the space-bar and respawn, there's something more meaningful at stake here. Lots of players report getting the "PvP Shakes" - a big rush of adrenaline as you put some of your hard work at risk vs. another player. Some people dig that, some people don't.
That was pretty crappy of him. But there are trade players that are so invested in the economy and trading that they don't play the other aspects of the game.
That was me until I quit. I had to be a one man corp because I was doing so many open contracts and networking with transport pilots and crews. My address book was so full of my contractors when CCP went to shrink it because most people weren't using many I almost broke their database and they locked my address book for almost a year. I wouldn't have had to pay for the game anymore but I decided to diversify and CCP and BOB I think maniputlated the market for almost a year and a half and gutted me. My friend just kept on doing a variation of what I was doing and in that time crushed me profit wise. Trade and playing the market supply game was real and more cutthroat than the PVP game.
This is the most interesting comments section I've ever stumbled upon. Half the people in here are describing the game as an abusive relationship and the other half are describing it as a second job. But all are describing it fondly. So astounding.
I’m getting real “you don’t want none of this shit, Dewey” vibes from the comments.
Eve is the best game i've ever quit. I generally had good self-control, never no-lifing WoW back in 2006 despite the urge to do it. But Eve? I gladly skipped out on work to stare for hours at what is essentially a traffic light into a solar system. Because we were evicting some ratfucks who didn't agree to our honorable demand of "Pay us or we burn your house down". So they had to be killed. Even if it meant doing nothing but watching paint dry for hours when I should be working.
I got addicted to trading. Realized I was spending literally hours of my life refreshing a window and moving various orders up or down 0.01 isk. Once that clicked in my mind I just could never get back into it. Hundreds of hours of fun fighting in 0.0, pirating low-sec, and that moment just broke it all for me. I was finally a multi-billionaire in a space game that was too nerdy for polite conversation, I could fly whatever I wanted without really worrying about the loss, but at what cost?
I thought you meant actual stock trading when I read this. And I was like, wow I wonder how much he made. But now, I'm asking do you think it would have been more worthwhile to trade stocks?
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Yeah this is every game for me now. I’m so excited for some achievement in the game and then take a step back and think “okay but what does that do for me outside of this game” Kinda sad, I just don’t enjoy video games like I used to :(
video games are supposed to be fun they dont need to be productive, its just supposed to be something you can entertain yourself with and relax to
Amusingly, I no-life nearly every game I play and love theorycrafting via arcane and tedious rulesets. Yet when I played EVE I was so incredibly bored in the first 3 hours I logged off and never bothered getting back on to check if I ever finished training. Was the training reading a book? Or doing something? I don't know. I can't remember. The actual game interface was clicking a button and then waiting for it to finish several hours (or days?) later, and I couldn't really do anything until it was done. I love hearing about the lore of EVE, but jesus H christ the gameplay- at least the last time I tried it, which admittedly was 5+ years ago, was god awful.
It's a very much hot or cold game. Most people I know get turned off, they don't click with the game mechanics and its slow-paced nature. But if it's hot for you, whoo boy will it grab you by the balls. I've never gotten a real rush of adrenaline from game, like really getting the jitters, except from Eve. Which sounds stupid for a game that is basically Excel: The Game. But it's not an uncommon experience for Eve vets and, in my wormhole corp, was a bit of a rite of passage for the newbies to get the jitters during their first real op and then inevitably ask "Is that common?".
I can think of about a dozen truly exhilarating video game experiences I've had. Like actual hands shaking, adrenaline pumping, couldn't replicate the feeling of I tried moments. 10 of them are from EvE. The other 2 were at LAN parties.
Oh man, I once got that playing league of legends because one of the dudes on the other team was the guy being a total cunt on my team in the last game. I've never tried harder than I did in that moment. When we won, I literally had to get up and leave the room for several minutes to calm down.
I had this playing HOTS. Never had a more reassuring experience in my life.
Try Escape from Tarkov. Pretty intense pvepvp looter shooter.
Once the cheating problem is more resolved, I'd love to. But I'm not willing to spend money to get dunked on by cheaters when so many more hanging fruit of the anticheat tree have yet to be plucked. Someday, I'm confident they'll get there, and then I'm WAY into that
I think it's a particularly strong experience in games with heavy investment, and heavy loss. It sucks when you lose hours of investment in something, but the exhilaration of *almost* losing, but squeaking by with a win just can't be matched.
This is why I can’t ever quit DayZ
That is exactly the vibe.
Except EVE is definitely habit-forming.
[> you don’t want none of this shit, Dewey](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-YT6P2WqMc) For those who haven't seen it, it's fuckin hilarioius.
"Not today, old friend"
It's a fine game. It's an MMO, so there's always some people who will get addicted and take it too far, but there's plenty of us that get a lot of enjoyment from EVE without it ruining our lives.
My second job playing EVE became my for real job and now I live in Iceland and work at CCP. This game is nuts.
And you chose convict as your username, indicating imprisonment.
There have been a handful of people I've played with or interacted with over the years that ended up as CCPers. The company definitely values the playerbase, regardless of what some may say. Whether that hiring from the playerbase is a good thing or a bad thing due to perspective while playing is up for debate, but its very cool to see old friends be paid for their passion. It's awesome to see. :)
It's like a mix of hard drugs I guess (never tried them, but I played eve), there's a lot of fun but it will drain your life away.
The original WoW is often described as crack. Just so good it ruins your life.
oh man, never got into any of the expansions, but original WoW held fond memories. So when WoW Classic came out, I sunk my teeth into it since I now was older and more capable in gaming. Man it was a blast from the past, such a refreshing game. One of the most enjoyable things I think it has in common with EvE online is the random social encounters. In WoW Classic, you would run into another person hunting for that 1 Quest Boss you gotta kill. The Boss only spawns once every 15 mins or so... so you either fight for control of it, or you team up for just the kill. So you would find people you would run into again and again, and saying "Oh Hey xXxDragonSlayerxXx, how's it been!" to this rando who you inhabit the world with. Or in my case, I teamed up with a rando in the starting zone day 1 so we could get the quests done (Because it was PACKED). We end up chatting, turns out we are both in the same profession, both have fond memories of WoW, etc. I end up joining him and his friends, built a Guild from the ground up, and we were the first to kill Raganoros on our server. All from a random encounter on day 1. I had similar experiences when I played EvE, randomly encounter people in a Asteroid belt - chat, do shit with them, friend them, then rinse repeat... join their corp... prosper. There is something quite enjoyable to me that this kind of social interaction was possible in such an unstructured way in both games. The downside for me, as with most, is the game play itself. You get to a point in both games where you see the cyclical grind for no real purpose, and you become disillusioned with what you are doing. In WoW Original, it was grinding a warlock in Tanaris , in Wow Classic it was a grind-fest that is guild raids to get and share loot drops, for EvE it was the skill training and repetitive nature of farming Rats or Instances. But man do I love the randomness of the social interactions... The next new-age game that can reproduce that is going to fuck my Real life up.
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What you're describing is what happens when you have infinite in game resources, where the only cost is actual time to the player. It's actually fairly fascinating from a meta perspective. In real life, most people won't take on a fight unless there is a good chance of winning, but that's because they might die permanently as a result. In Eve, that fear has been replaced somewhat for the fear of lost time, but the fear of loss still remains. When given a choice to retreat or lose, most will retreat, especially if you can regain anything given enough time. There just isn't incentive to fight over resources when they are always plentiful and respawning.
Interesting. I had exactly the opposite take. imo this behavior is caused by scarcity, not abundance. Stuff is expensive in EVE, the ships you fly often take multiple weeks or even months of grinding to afford & train for. Fighting represents a very real risk of wasting so much effort for nothing, and the satisfaction of beating an opponent doesn't really compare to the reality of losing and having to start all over from square 1. I know the advice is always to only fly what you can afford to lose; but let's be real, no one really follows this advice. People get greedy and want to fly big ships (which is natural, it's a game after all) and are then terrified of losing them. Resource wars don't make a lot of sense because of scarcity too. If you want resources (and you don't want to gather them yourself), you will have to buy them from someone who does want to gather resources. It doesn't matter whether they are from your own corp or another corp, the resources are worth the same either way. So you're not saving any money by capturing a resource unless you actually intend to mine it yourself. Because of this, wars don't make much practical sense; they're more of a vanity project fueled by patriotism, boredom, and a desire to fuel the economy by forcing resources to be distributed and used. Very much like in real life ...
This is an every day sentiment at r/2007scape lol, MMOS are just different like that
In any other game I play I hear people complaining about grinds for certain things taking upwards of 50+ hours and I kinda laugh. Sure I've played RS on and off for the last 2 decades but I'd probably, comfortably say I dumped ~6-7k hours worth of time into it over that period and that barely scratches the surface of longtime players Having only read/observed Eve, I still reserve a special awe for it.
Yeah for sure, I was playing bloodborne the other week and a guide told me "most people don't do the chalice dungeon challenges, as it can be up to an extra 15-20 hour grind" and I'm thinking.... ok and? But the sheer amount of info you need to know with EVE, thats way too intimidating for me
That's how abusive relationships work. You remember the few good times really fondly because of the high you get in those short moments.
EVE is by far the coolest game I have no desire whatsoever to play
This is correct. It's literally a second job when you get into the bigger corporations. At one point I was the leader of a group that merged with another group, we had like 60 players and the majority were on for hours every single day. We then joined an even bigger group and after a few months I was called out for "only being on and helping the Corp 20 some hours a week". I said yeah, it's a game. And then I was told if I can't be on 30+ hours helping out that I would be kicked out. That was my wake up call it was time to quit. Sold one of my characters on eBay for $600. Tried to sell another one but CCP, the parent company, figured out who I was and banned my account.
EVE is the best UI for a spreadsheet, by far.
and the compulsory ['this is really EVE'](https://youtu.be/LmS9vcVNr5A)
Reminds me of a trailer that was made for elite dangerous that is actually pretty neat, but then got a lot of meme edits For example: Trailer showed a tense dogfight between two ships taking place near a space station Edit was how that would go in game ie immediately fined for discharging weapons near a civilian population center, and then blown out of the sky by security forces for continuing to ignore commands to power down weapon systems.
God I spent so many hours in that game
It's one of those games that is incredibly awesome but you can't help but to grow bored of it. It's very repetitive most of the time and lacks content.
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I play football manager and OOTP so i can’t really talk shit about spreadsheet simulators
Good ole work email simulator
It's like I'm really playing virtual skeeball!
Tbf most if not all multi-player online games eventually get reduced down to numbers in spreadsheets due to our propensity to optimize. Eve just added it to their gameplay.
"A second job you need to pay for" - Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
With the occasional power point presentation
"I'm gonna tickle your fucking nose hairs with my fucking shoe" is fucking A+ shit talk
I was hoping this was the one OP posted.
\[WP\] We encounter aliens. Space warfare proves too unpredictable for our AI and it fails at leading our remote fleet. AI calculates our best hope is the EVE player base at the helm of our armada.
[Insert Ender’s Game]
Please don't.
Kid named Enders game
TBF, the amount of military personnel in Eve is ridiculous, it's probably a good strategy.
It has been years since I played, and I still end up talking like I'm in a warship's CIC when I'm playing games... got taught how to FC by folks in the navy, picked up a lot of their mannerisms.
I still pronounce - as tac. I haven’t played in…. A long ass time.
Sean Smith was an EVE player and a US Diplomat. He was killed in Benghazi.
RIP Vile Rat
The war will feature at least once a fleet admiral getting fragged mid-battle as the battle starts turning against the humans. The aliens are mystified intercepting the human comms during this event as to what "Kurator is primary" is supposed to mean
It's funny, when Amazon was building their New World MMO the initial builds were sandbox full loot PVP focused with base building and no consistent safe areas. During one of their alphas, they recruited a notorious EVE corporation to join the alpha and disrupt things. They ended up (to my recollection) totally taking over the entire map and were ruthless.
Thank you. Makes my day every time I see this Edit: ALAHHHHHHH *AHHHHHHHHHHHH* >!AHHHHHHHHHHhH!< *I'd call that an op success, thank you*
This is always funny but in my experience the real trailer is closer to what comms are normally like. Unless its a TiDi shitfest then its all bussines.
Depends who you fly with, it can go either way. The real trailer is more common though in most groups, yeah.
Even the groups who buy into that fantasy of being businesslike and important quickly devolve into yelling and shouting and childish behavior the moment something goes wrong.
If you’re in a Corp or an alliance where your FCs are behaving like that on the regular, the best advice is to gtfo and find a new Corp because 1) nobody need to take that kind of abuse over virtual space ships and 2) FCs like that will get your hard earned virtual space ships blown up over stupid shit.
I did get out. Of the game. Really improved my life.
Yeah, every now and again I think 'boy, maybe I should try EVE again, it was really intense sometimes!' And then I remember how most of the time it was a horrific pseudo second job, but with more verbal abuse and petty bullshit than actual fun. I literally only reliably had a good time when playing PVE and interacting with nobody. So I might as well do that in a game better designed for it.
The paranoia and petty cruelty of the community was extremely jarring.
1000% the reason why I bailed years ago. I felt myself getting viscerally upset over the abuse some players exuded, particularly when I would snap myself out of the 5+ hour sessions I used to put into it in single sessions. Haven't really touched any MMOs since tbh.
Most of my experience of yelling has been stressed out FCs. I've even lost my cool once after a REALLY long FCing shift. I don't think it's a common occurence outside of senior FCs that are under actual stress ("it's a game" is a fine mentality for most, but when you accept responsibility for the fun of thousands of other people, there's definitely real pressure involved) or junior FCs that are arrogant and take themselves way too seriously.
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Haha, fleet commanders. The equivalent of raid leaders in other MMOs. The people that guide you around and tell you what to shoot.
Wait...so there are sometimes where you are in charge of 1000 people, in a single party?! I've only played like 3 hours and don't know alot sorry
Think of it less as literal induvidual parties at that scale, and more like something akin to actual military leadership structure. One main commander issuing broad orders to thousands of people, while subcommanders handle more small scale decision making.
I just click on who they tell me to.
In a sense, but usually only for the once-in-a-blue-moon battles (B-R, M2, etc). As much as the TiDi sucks, it's still a hell of a fun experience. In battles that large, very sophisticated C&C structures are used. And it helps that Eve is populated heavily by military and IT people who will naturally prefer these kinds of structures anyways. M2, for example, lasted 14 hours straight. FCs delegated to FCs, who delegated to FCs. There'd be someone at the top controlling the entire side. They'd be issuing direction to 1-2 FCs in charge of Titans. 1-2 in charge of supercarriers. 4-5 in charge of dreads and carriers. And there'd be dozens running sub-cap fleets. Big corps like that have alt requirements, if you want to fly supers (and in fact, some even require that you fly supers before they'll take you). You've got a titan alt. You've got a supercarrier alt. You've got 2-4 dread alts, some have carrier alts. You've typically got a logistics pilot alt, in addition to a subcap alt for ships that pewpew. A good number of players also have mining alts (I knew a guy who multiboxed 40 mining alts.. he could suck a belt dry faster than a $5 crack whore who just got a $20 tip). So not only do you have thousands of players, but many are bringing 4-10 accounts to the fight. It ends up being a LOT to keep track of.
> I knew a guy who multiboxed 40 mining alts I want to know what this type of person's day to day is like. How do you build up to 40 alts? The logistics seem like a pain in the ass, but the *cost*. Are they mostly alpha accounts? I hope he's not paying for all that. Reminds me of this industry dude I watched on Twitch. Guy was coordinating dozens of shipments and manufacturing and shit. Taking new orders live on stream and handling business. Basically running a manufacturing company as a hobby.
So at this point we need history YouTubers to cover Eve and documentaries on the longer lasting groups. I don't play, but honestly this is very interesting to me in a similar way as the channels which do battle analysis of Agincourt or Alexander the Great.
To each their own, but fuck that lol. I play video games to relax, not to feel like I have a 2nd job lol
I'm the same now, I'm EVE retired. It is cool to have contributed to EVE history though. The stress is worth it in hindsight when you can look at it with rose tinted glasses and see the things you did. Luckily the headaches seem to fade faster than the fun times haha. I'd never do it again though.
I did a decade, noped out a couple years ago and never looked back. It’s funny how swept up in eve ya get right, then take a break and it’s like “oh yeah, I got a wife and kids” hahaha Obligatory Dreddit is recruiting (probably? Haven’t kept up)
>Dreddit is recruiting Yes, but also...oof. TEST kinda died after WWBII haha. I didn't have a wife and kids when I did it, just headaches and timers. haha
I heard pgl and vily completely fucked up the war. I definitely had some good times with test but that was where I was when I decided to quit. Was in goons for a few years before and had objectively way more fun, but left there when they turtled up in Sacconnen (sp?) in lowsec after the first wwb. It was exactly having to wait or max effort for fun that killed it for me. I got too old and busy for getting blue balled in a dread or bashing 100 astras in a night. Fuck citadels, fuck jump fatigue, etc. CCP was the worst. Also the best.
I really wanted to try that game, but I don't have a master's degree in space combat and theory.
"Tickle your nose hairs with my shoe!" Gets me everytime.
That one is good. But there is always the [bombers bar clip](https://youtu.be/9AGEm4y-fdI?t=93) nuking TEST.
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You know, I think I've never actually heard the term "you fucking cockfucker" before.
This is what introduced me to the game. Invested long five years. I realized it was an abusive relationship and that I needed to get out. Still think about returning.
Stay strong brother. I've stayed clean for 17 years. Do like me and fill up some of the freed time with projects that take less effort, like raising children.
With children, no one can hear you scream
EVE was probably the best MMO I ever played but I no life it every time I try to play so I quit. Super tempting to try it again though.
I signed up and got on as a beta tester for Eve. I remember thinking this isn't a video game, this is the second life, and I don't got time for this. And I never played it again.
Same happened to me. As a 90's kid playing Elite on my C64 this was basically my dream come true, until I realized few months in how much it would take time to actually do anything of interest in there. Also if you want to play nullsec/wormhole stuff, this is not one of those games where you can hit the pause and go for lunch, or sleep, or anything. EVEr.
They're very much outliers, but I was in a couple of 16 hour fleets during WWB2 last year due to time dialation. It's insane to be playing in the same solar system as literally a few thousand other people in the same fight.
EVE is a great concept, with much of it well implemented, aimed at those who have very little else in their lives.
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EVE is the greatest experience I have ever had in a video game. However, I hit a point where I could either play EVE, or do literally anything else with my life. I went cold turkey. I still dream about it every now and then.
EVE gave me massive anxiety, trust issues, and a feeling of loneliness. Every time I tried to join a group, they'd pressure me into stuff I wasn't comfortable with, like spending every bit I had on a ship to do wormhole stuff. I lost my ship on the third day, and instead of helping, they laughed in chat about how they weren't gonna fund or carry me. I kept playing because I kept paying. The day I stopped, it felt like I escaped from an abusive relationship. edit: oh and on top of that, they could of course look me up and see all the expensive stuff I lost and they said "nah sorry, we don't trust you, you've lost billions in fights you could easily win"
>do wormhole stuff ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Yeah I mean anyone who is still playing EVE is a person still playing EVE…which leaves them little time for life skills
That's bullshit. You can do what you want in the game. All I do in Eve is blow shit up. No spread sheets, no boring PvE, no grinding, and no second jobs. Eve gets that reputation because the game has a lot of depth. Some of the things you can do look a lot like jobs. But you can also just blow shit up.
*Meanwhile, all I do are L4s and the occasional high sec combat site...*
I think EVE has that reputation because people try and spot the differences between EVE and other games. There's so many differences it's hard to explain them in any kind of concise way. So it gets simplified into "fights with thousands of people" and "excel in space", both of which are vast oversimplifications.
Honestly that exact experience is why I always reccomend players join either EVE University or the big nullblock newbie corps. EVE University is a trusted partner of the game and the big nullblock newbie corps are not going to scam you. Sure you may not want to be a permanent nullsec space player but they will at least teach you the game and replace your losses.
I'm in one of those big groups (Test Alliance Please Ignore) and I often recommend joining a group like that. They have a lot of support for newer players.
Such a good group name
A story that hearkened back to reddit ancient days. It will never be the same
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Damn. A fellow ancient one. o7
I had a good time in TEST around 2016 or so, played for a solid month or two and really enjoyed it. Life got in the way. If I ever come back, I hope they let me stay around.
I had the opposite experience with EVE. I found a great group of people who liked blowing spaceships up. It was a fun time.
Yup - I was a beta tester too. Enjoyed it for a while after release but I gave it up as I realised I really don't enjoy MMO games. I wanted some thing like Elite where I could fly about doing my own shit - I had no interest in being railroaded into a massive mega-corp run by a profane 14-year-old with an energy-drink dependency. Utterly beautiful game to look at, but the above, plus the fact that the Excel in Space joke is really true, and I gave up on it.
Let me just shamelessly steal someone else's quote and say that this game is without a doubt the best game that I will never play.
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I've never looked back fondly on any of my life spent playing mmo's. they're a good cope though when other elements of life are missing or too stressful to think about
I always wanted to play it. But I know myself far too well to ever give it a go. You know, like heroin.
I stopped playing when I realized all I was doing was wasting my entire life. It's such a damn commitment to play this game.
That's why I stayed away from ever touching it in the first place. You don't get the full experience unless you fully commit to it, which is basically almost a second job in itself.
i had the best times simply hanging in a belt and farming veldspar while listening to that superb chilling space trance...
If you want a kick in the nostalgia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANtm-RcrKCc
The real nostalgia kick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbcsz8sb7Cg
Instant and absolutely all over chills hearing this. And I still play eve every day. The old music always holds a special place for me.
This is indeed the other correct response.
chose the perfect song for that nostalgia drip, yeah.
This is what me and my friends did when we played - chill little four-man mining corp that hung out in lowsec and mined while chatting on discord and listening to the amazing soundtrack.
I played a great deal of Eve for a while. Yes, there are some incredible moments. Sadly, they're separated by vast gulfs of what is basically a really boring second job. :/
It depends entirely on what you do, I know a guy who literally just hunts people in Faction Warfare space and never does PVE because he feels the same way.
I've tried this game but found just getting started to be to be a pain.
The new player experience can be tough, its very difficult to solo which is why people always push for you to join a player group. Also the high security space that you start in is actually harder for a new player.
This is the kind of game that reminds me how many millions of niches there are in the world with devoted fanbases and shared stories, all siloed from each other to the point that in 50 years everything will be its own experiential nano-universe and we will have nothing in common with the average person we see in reality
In 50 years we'll all still laugh at farts
This is wild
The number 1 game I'll never play but love reading/hearing experiences about. Highly recommend Empires of Eve. Basically a history book about civilisations founding and wars but instead of Romans it's "And then the Goon Squad did x". Shit's fascinating.
> Empires of Eve oh man. i bet this is good. i've only heard about one story where someone did a ponzi scheme sort of thing - pretended to setup a group buy - was a thing where he convinced a lot of groups to buy a blueprint for $10 billion dollar (game money) for expensive ship schematic - spent weeks or months convincing groups to put in their millions into the buy - after whatever # of weeks, original guy setting it up transferred money to a dummy account and got away - after he pulled it off on the new account he got bored. - ended up dumping the 2 billion he made or whatever on some random new person and he just quit eve if that book is filled with more things like that? then dam. you son of a bitch, i'm in.
That's how I feel about Rust. I love watching people play it but would be so infuriated playing it myself.
I've always found that reading about Eve Online drama appears to be superior to playing it.
I played Eve in beta and for a while after release. I remember the first 'live' day where nobody could train skills and later the exorbitant price of tech II capacitor rechargers. I did a very little bit of light PvP but mostly ran agent missions. Why did I stop? That's easy to explain. PvP makes me anxious and I hate losing things in games. I also hate playing on my own which happened a lot because some corps just flop after a week or so. Mainly it was the losing things and PvP anxiety. I will say that the video does a great job of showing what PvP might look like but unless things have changed drastically any very large fleet action uses time dilation to slow everything down so the servers don't combust. The comms in the video must be from very organised groups too. I never had anything like that but I always preferred smaller groups for skirmishes over massive battles.
My big issue with eve is literally everything you do is competitive. Trying to sell off loot? Gotta compete with the market and truck that shit to Jita and hope you don't get fucked on the way. Trying to do missions? Better hurry up or people are gonna jump in with you and steal your shit. Just wanna have a chill day and go mining? Better wake up early for belt respawn and get in there before the whole place is ripped to shreds. I used to love Eve. Played from 06 to 13. Still fire it up every now and then to look at my stuff. Ship design is 2nd to none. So pretty! But these days I play games to relax and have a good time with friends. I don't want to jump into something on my off time and feel constantly on edge or that I'm not doing the best stuff for my time. Nah not for me anymore. But please god damn give me Freelancer or the X Series with the control style from Eve.
Quit playing for real back around 2008, I played from pretty much the start. 95% of what I did was solo, I just enjoyed it. Missions, mining, trading, pirate hunting. What ever I wanted to do that day I knew a way to solo it and make decent money. Bought any ship I wanted, had all those years of training, more cash than I knew what to do with it. I tried to come back around 2016 maybe. I started building all the spreadsheets you need to do every single one of those activities and learn what changed in 8 years. Got about 75% back to understanding the game again and just gave up. It was just too much effort.
A reminder that since it is a very big sandbox, you'll have a lot more fun if you go in with a clear idea of what you want out of it as opposed to 'it looks nice'. I went in with the desire to singlehandedly change the course of a battle. I did that. And it was fucking awesome. The problem is once you accomplish that goal, you either have to commit to doing it again or finding something else. I was satisfied with what I did so I quit EVE and never touched it again.
> I went in with the desire to singlehandedly change the course of a battle. You didn't say you'd change it in your teams favor though...
The key is setting reasonable goals. Baby steps. A fleet destroyed is a fleet destroyed regardless of which fleet I was on at the time.
You dropped a bubble didn't you?
Like that one guy who infiltrated an organization, became the leader, then destroyed the organization because he was actually a part of another organization! Lol
Dammit /u/Kazosk! Bubble THEIR fleet! Theirs! Not ours!
Leerooooooy Jenkins
Chills BatChest
How come we don't hear stories from the game as often? I love the idea of the game, but I know I won't get through the learning curve. Still, I loved reading about the stories of the big battles or the scrappy pilots who take on the big boys, etc. It feels like the last few years I haven't heard as much about it. While I understand that the game probably isn't for me, I love hearing about the antics.
https://www.mmorpg.com/news/over-4000-eve-online-players-clashed-overnight-in-x47l-q-over-a-trillion-isk-lost-in-14-hours-2000127682 They definitely still happen, I just think they don't get reported as much.
Eve is one of the best games I’ve ever played. I put close to 4k hours in the first two years playing.. Now I’m an adult and have responsibilities though so probably never touch it again sadly.
Ah yes eve, What a stellar game, but oh man as others said its like a second life lol. I managed to get into Pandemic legion for a bit, at the time I recall they were the bad ass you don't mess with them kinda corp.../alliance. It was a blast with those like 1,000+ player battles. I don't have the time for it no more lol.
I had a great couple years playing EvE Online with my brother, mostly just quietly ice mining and running missions and trading for interesting items. Became a collector and was working on getting "one of everything". Until the game company banned me and my brother in the so-called "Unrighteous Fury" ban wave, supposedly for real-money-trading, which neither of us had ever done. Years of game play down the drain. What a stupid game. I'd much prefer they actually get proof before banning players, maybe a "Righteous Fury" ban wave where it is actually warranted. Still pisses me off.
Damn, I’ve never been so hyped for a game that doesn’t interest me in the slightest!
Agreed, some of the most epic gaming stories came from EVE.
I still think about the story of the universal bank, that ended up defrauding its customers.
Rather partial to the one where one of the first Titan ships was being built. A hostile group had gotten intel about which system their enemies were building the ship. Deciding they didn't want their enemy to have it they went to blow up the dock it was being built in. They arrive with a big force, and immediately see a big enemy force defending a dock. They go have a big battle, and after a lot of effort manage to blow the dock up. A while later the group building the Titan announces they have finished construction. The dock that had been blown up was empty, the real dock that was in that system was sitting undefended the whole time. The attacking group just assumed the one that was being defended would be the one with the Titan being built in it.
Ah yes, SirMolle's famous gambit. Great story. The same alliance (Band of Brothers) is part of perhaps the most legendary story of EVE Online - despite being absolute kings of large-scale PvP at the time, they got disbanded with one click from a disgruntled director who defected to their rivals (Goonswarm). By the time they got the command chain back together, most of their territory was already lost and they never bounced back from that.
I am actually in this video, flying in a Brave fleet. It's a great game, and a horrible time sink. Some of the most exciting, sweaty palm moments of my gaming life have been in Eve and some of the most boring as well. I was "space rich" as they call it, used my real life skills to set up trade shops near conflict areas on alts. Was a great experience that I will never do again.
I miss this game so much. Played from 2003 to 2011. Started in Fountain Alliance and finished in Morsus Mihi. I tried coming back to the game in 2018, but so much had changed and I didn't know hardly anyone. I couldn't even get back into the Corp I helped found (Shiva). Sold my Mothership and quit again. Great trailer.. Brought back a lot of memories.