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MethyleneBlueEnjoyer

Smoke shells are S tier all around.


nquy

Man I renember getting a kill with smoke sheel lmao, he even sent me a fan mail


ITCCC123543

Do you have the clip?


nquy

Nope it was from long ago


Luchin212

The AuF1 has 155mm smoke. It can smoke an entire city block.


RaymondIsMyBoi

Most 155mm have it I think. The m109 has it at least, very funny taking all smoke and just blinding enemy positions.


Mini_Raptor5_6

One time in one of those war thunder historical custom servers, there was an event for some type of Soviet battle and they included the M4A2 76, both the Soviet and American version. Most of us only had the American one and after we first started off trying to play normally and getting cross mapped by Tigers, a few of us realized how annoying it would be to just throw smoke at them so we then just took full smoke. It especially helped earlier on when there was a bridge we needed to cross that was quickly becoming impassible with how many corpses were getting in the way


MonsieurCatsby

Unironically that's how they did it irl too, except irl the Tiger crews bailed as the smoke filled the tank


2KDrop

If I'm remembering right that's because the Sherman (at least the one with the 75) used white phosphorus for the smoke


MonsieurCatsby

Yep, makes phosphorus pentoxide when it burns which causes burns on exposed membranes like eyes and respiratory tracts. Not what you want being sucked into your metal box by the ventilation system.


Wesoms

THAT'S WHY I LOVE SMOKE SO MUCH Getting spawncaped? GIVE EM SMOKE UNTIL THEY CHOKE I once helped my team flank a bitchass tiger that was sniping our spawn, I kept shooting smoke until I was maybe 200m on his side when one of my teammates took him out


pbptt

Is there an autocannon with smoke? I wanna try something extremely funny


MacArther1944

I support this idea!


STAXOBILLS

Yeah M110 is INCREDIBLELY funny, a 50m smoke screen that sticks around for 30s is just DIABOLICAL


mchl189

Fan mail is a nice transcription


nquy

Rly


LightningFerret04

Bro put the freaking *VOG grenades* over smoke shells, that is the wildest take I have ever seen Smoke shells really are goated, you can shoot smoke ahead of areas you want to move, blind snipers, and you can shoot enemies to blind them and then charge them from the side. I’ve even gotten some kills on open tops and at least one plane kill with smoke rounds!


RaymondIsMyBoi

I have not found a single use for VOG grenades yet. They don’t even break things easily so you don’t slow down. I guess it’s what happens when you put an anti infantry weapon into a game that isn’t enlisted.


notpoleonbonaparte

They would be great against open-topped vehicles, and trucks, but at that BR there aren't any anymore.


TheWickedWitch87

Still takes 20+ nades to kill open tops like the chapperal


notpoleonbonaparte

I forgot about that thing. Sad.


KommissarJH

You can set of the TOW of a Bradley. That's it.


RaymondIsMyBoi

Fr? I’ve never even tried to use them on a tank beside spamming them to blind something.


KommissarJH

I managed to do it twice. In test drive. So that's about how useful they are.


RaymondIsMyBoi

Kinda weird the bmp gets a useless weapon modelled while tons of tanks don’t get hull mgs or other fine details. I guess it’s a unique weapon system and quite cool? It would be useful if they did a tank version of heli PvE with the tow crew but other than that it serves no purpose.


Subject-Concern-9663

I've seen use on tiktok of hiding behind a hill and just sniping like in this video https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRwbTRuR/


ShiningRayde

I was in some mid-low tier match, the rush wound down so a front line was established. Someone scouted a king tiger on the other team, and I was already squatting on a capture point, so I loaded smokes and manually elevated my gun. Spent a good half of a match making him *miserable*. Every time he moved, someone would scout him and hed get another smoke round bouncing off his coupola.


DIORDI0RJACKET

Not when they fucking bounce off sand and detonate mid air


notpoleonbonaparte

They are. Worried about an enemy sniper? Piss him off and allow your team to move up. Pinned down? Shoot one at the ground near yourself. Particular sighline not working to your advantage at the moment? Boom. So underrated for real.


Strange-Wolverine128

Only t8me I use them is if there's a secondary cannon with them, like the TOG


Shot_Reputation1755

Too bad using them on the Tog makes you way more killable


Strange-Wolverine128

Still never been killed that way, always shoots my right turret cheek, then the left. Taking two shots, even with tigers.


supervegito827

APCR is the worst shell. Absolute worst.


pinchasthegris

One degree angle: shell shattered


oscar_meow

My first and only experience with APCR "Oh nice! With these penetration values I can go right through the front of a jumbo!" *Shoots jumbo* *Shell shattered* *Jumbo fires back* *Dies*


pbptt

I once got a shell shattered hitting a t-34s road wheel from like a 10° angle I feel like the 90mm shell hitting at mach 3.5 would have shattered the entire t-34 from the force alone


Just_A_Nitemare

Fun fact, the leKPz M41's stock APCR round can't penetrate the UFP of a T-34 past 100m. Keep in mind that the leKPz is 6.7 while the T-34 is 3.3.


pbptt

Its an american tank It simply got america'd


biohumansmg3fc

Um Actually lekpzm41 is a german tank🤓


cyclinglaw

The stock grind on the leKPz is so fkn painful. It took me forever to get to the sabot.


Logical_Seaweed2955

Tell me about it, I literally didn't get a single kill before unlocking the sabot, I just hung around behind a hill around a cap point and scouted enemies until I died or the match ended 5 assists average between 7 games


Potato_lovr

I FUCKING HATE THE STOCK PT-76, I AM GOING TO KILL WHOEVER CHOSE APCR AS IT’S STOCK SHELL


Empyrean_04

Great, now imagine patton and bulldog fighting tiger 2s and is2s with apcr


c_t_782

That experience made me quit US tanks for like a month


Empyrean_04

I have no intention to advance further than 6.7,tried the german bulldog tho, quit after 2 matches, fuck apcr


Horizontal-Human

B- b- but more pen = better??


Echo3-13469E-Q

Just scout and cap with light vehicles? That's what i did and got APDS in two days.


Dat_Innocent_Guy

Just play scorpion and the ontos. Life will be dream.


marine595

At least tiger2 turret cheeks r flat


professionalcumsock

Tiger II (P):


scarlet_rain00

Try m48 with stock apcr you will completely abandon US tree


Visual-Till8629

What’s the point of apcr in the game, was it as shit irl?


FlipAllTheTables0

It wasn't.


Admiral_Qibli

The PT-76B was one of my first tanks when I started playing ages ago. I recently looked at my service record and I have 180 games in it and 28 kills. It’s spaded. I want to die.


supervegito827

Same. The APCR is atrocious. Imma just go ferry passengers on the river in eastern Europe because what the f*** else am I gonna do with the thing. Even the heat fs has pathetic post pen damage. Yes I have skill issue too but still the HEAT FS is just disappointing.


SaltyChnk

It’s okay these days. A year ago it was a nightmare though.


supervegito827

I am happy that it works out for you but when I use it, it refuses to pen even a Pz 1c. Is the armour angled at .5 degrees? Is the warthunder wind blowing? Gaijin: F*** YOU! Shell Shattered.


Serious_Hunt7681

Wait, 2 heatfs in the list?


K3W4L

One is Heat-fs the other is Heat-fs


Jimmy2048

Ah ok makes sense


ballerisbest

Google en confusion


Mozambiquehere14

Holy bewilderment


IHavDepression1969

A tier is mid tier heatfs, C tier is heatfs at top tier source : trust


Greekdorifuto

My IKV103 dominates Tiger 2s and IS2s easily


Master_Cheif_2507

I have killed king tiger in my M36B2 using its HEAT-fs. One of my favorite tanks and shell combos.


magnum_the_nerd

MPAT and HEAT-FS probably.


Kotel291

One is mid tier, and the other is top trier


nquy

Are you dumb?? Smoke shell is the best!! 


Crimson_Wraith_

Imagine knowing the difference between shells.


USEC_was_taken

HE-VT is in meh???? What the hell are you smoking?


Chimera_Snow

that's ATGM-VT in meh, HE-VT is in the category above it


Plane_Worldliness_43

That’s proxy


Chimera_Snow

Proxy (HE-VT) is in "hit your shots better". ATGM-VT (proxxy fused atgm) is in meh.


Plane_Worldliness_43

I forgot that HE-VT (proxy) and HE-VT were different, I thought it was just called proxy


SexyStacosaurus

Facts, one of the best rounds out there


ugly_east

What's with everyone hating apds? It works really well for me.


K3W4L

Its not bad. Its bad in comparison to other things you can have at its BR


netanel246135

It might not be Russian 100mm aphe but I'd take 86mm and 105mm nato apds as my go to


Ducktes

I’d rather have the 300mm Swedish apds on my t54 version than the 230mm aphe at 8.0 and the 100+mm at 1.0 that a aphe with 70 to 80mm


LightningFerret04

Its a perfectly good round on the M41


ugly_east

It kills ammo so easily for me, really easy to one shot with them tbh.


corinarh

It's better than Heafs in most of occasions but still significantly worse than APFSDS which you will have to face anyway. Better rush through 8.0 to 9.0-9.3 asap.


psychobobicus

Until the last patch Brit apds made me quit the grind. One shot detonates ammo, the next 5 pass through it with no damage. I hear it's better now but I haven't tried it.


OwnRecommendation164

Happy cake day!


Tax_this_dick_1776

I like APDS tho…


tribalbaboon

492mm of pen is no match for a kind of weird and bumpy surface


Tax_this_dick_1776

*cries in hit* *cries harder in shell shattered*


arturthegamer

Are you stupid, we all know smoke and shrapnel are the best shells in the game


Wonghy111-the-knight

This man war thunders


WannabeAby

\* Cries in GB \* I would only argue that APDS can be at the same level as APCBC as going through most of the tank compensate the kinda lower direct post pen damage.


reeeforce_rtx

Shell shattered


o-Mauler-o

only british 120mm really shell shatters, and even then the chieftan’s 120mm does well. 17pdr, 20pdr, 100mm, 105mm APDS consistently doesn’t shell shatter unless you’re aiming for extremely angled plates.


randomname_99223

HEAT got buffed though


Practical-Pepper-919

Just recently started playing the m551, might just be one of the most fun tanks ive ever played... _so mister leopard ur fast? Here meet my stabalised 152mm one shot madafaka_


Raptor_197

M60A2 is better


Practical-Pepper-919

I dont like it, i barely get hit anyways so no need for armor


Raptor_197

The advantage with the M60A2 is that barely get hit turns into when I am hit, I don’t die or the round skips. The main biggest advantage is the laser rangefinder at 8.3. It’s what makes that tank God tier.


Arlend44

One of the reasons I hope the APHE rework will come through, the difference is ridiculous between APHE and solid shot (when solid shots are already pretty solid in performance). I disagree with the APDS one, it all depends on which gen APDS you use and where you shoot, it still has more post-pen than HEAT-FS (atleast when it's higher caliber).


Necozuru

Alot of APHE needs reworking but IMO the Type 4 Kou which is an APHE on thr Chi-Ri II, Chi-To, Chi-To late and the Chi-Nu II is a gift from god which loves to pen a target you thought will 100% tank it especially in an uptier in the Chi-Ri II and due to its good amount of TNT one hits it. And it feels like a menace on the Chi To when it gets downtired to 3.7


Technical_Boot_4090

if you don’t fw shrapnel shot don’t speak to me


Computers-XD

I shall not speak to you


Technical_Boot_4090

we shall refrain from any further communication


Amarthon

Why ist the VOG-30 in D and not F?


LightningFerret04

It’s so useless that every single shell in F tier would look like an S tier


o-Mauler-o

That shell also applies to the matilda hedgehogs. Fun fact about the VOG-30, it has less explosive and less velocity than the 30mm HE that the bmp gets anyway, making it actually worthless.


SALTRS

Whats HEAT-FS doing up there? You only get acess to it when basically all tanks have either spaced or composit armor absolute trash shell


K3W4L

The low tier ones are awesome tho


SALTRS

Fair enough


Boring_Swordfish8245

My M51/m56/PT76b begs to differ


Oztin77

Ratel 90 would like to show you why your Tiger 2 armour doesn’t matter


Finnishbeing

You are missing atleast 1 shell type. SAP-T or something like that. Begleit has them


RostiKOstik

SAPHE


RostiKOstik

I remember getting APDS on T92, it was very pain inducing experience


LightningFerret04

You mean APCR?


TurtleKing2024

But what about my shrapnel shell, can't be forgetting mah chi ha lg


Emergency_Sink_5795

He gotta be up there


Future-Geologist-164

Heat fs 😭


Rixuuuu

I haven't seen more wrong shell tier list than this one


turmiii_enjoyer

Nah HEAT-FS is not that good bro. Those rounds are kill assist masters. And maybe I'm just biased because 105mm DM13 is really good at 8.7, but APDS is an awesome choice if APFSDS isn't available. Especially in the cold war eras, if you're fighting Russia or China a lot ERA makes HEAT useless


sk_arch

Is there a video where someone explains these shots to me, I’m like only 300 hours on the game and I still can’t understand the rounds I use


Scarnhorst_2020

Proxy rounds are actually underrated at top tier when the missile spaa are struggling with closer targets such as a heli (particularly the Kamovs) rocket rushing


Redbasho

I love HE-VT with my begleitpanzer. It is easily an S tier shell and you are unable to change my mind


sp8yboy

HESH is such a huge disappointment since it was nerfed almost immediately after release. Because reasons. I have been getting huge results recently though with sabot (chieftain) and heat (wheely boi). OSKs aplenty, ground out all the Chieftain camos


gunnnutty

I would disagree, i pick APDS over heat.


Project_Orochi

Hey wait a second, all of the shells i get are down in D tier


zealousidealerrand

Gaijin please just fix HESH cause it is so bad right now. I remember times when I one shotted russian tanks with Conqueror HESH in cupola now it seems like I'm splashing hot water at people.


Slavicommander

L tierlist HE needs to be S.


Rodlp9

This chart makes 0 sense, why are the same shells in different tiers. So heatfs is both B- and C- tier and aphe is S and B-??? Also apds should be at least B- tier, on the leopard 1 its a beast


LightningFerret04

What I think OP is doing is putting two of the same shells based on their performance at different tiers, so low tier HEAT-FS being higher than high tier HEAT-FS


PremiumAdvertising

Some of you have never tried the high explosive shells in the Zrinyi II and it shows


netanel246135

Dude the amount of times I killed t80s with my merkava m3d with the times fuze HE becuase I forgot to change to apdafa should be illegal. And I'm talking shit shots for HE like front roadwheel


SquintonPlaysRoblox

Honestly APDS and solid shot is super hit or miss. It can be incredible, or ass depending on the gun and BR.


flyingpig657

With the bankannon just shoot


Rixuuuu

I haven't seen more wrong shell tier list than this one


AdhesivenessDry2236

ATGM in D tier?


c3rvwlyu

Non tendem atgms are painful to use


TJ042

Proxy is definitely A or higher. Smoke is S tier. I like APDS a lot, at least in 105mm caliber.


Drexisadog

It sucks that HESH is so screwed over (why yes I use the funny British death shed)


Hot-Dragonfly3809

Can someone post a picture with Shell names on it? I suck.


RaymondIsMyBoi

SAM in D and smoke in F? SAM is insane if you use them right, especially when it ranges from Rolands (genuine shit) and 95ya6 (the hand of god slapping everything out of the sky). Smoke is insanely helpful and I see 2 identical HEAT-FS rounds in different tiers?


Peri-gr

Smoke shells are A tier have saved me thousands times


BugareX_55

Two same,yet different HEAT shells😂


djheineken1

850 pen rockets are great


PhuckWar

Now do it for MG belts.


anonimusnumber

I’m confused how less pen is better


Lordpufer

Normal fragmentation is at least a tier, because in certain situations u can only see the top of the turret of your enemy. Plus its a oneshot against pretty much all aa/aaa


Timelessclock859

proxy rounds are so fun though. nothing like annihilating enemy cas with enormous bombs. the VCC 80/60 gets proxy rounds and it's quite good with them.


Visual-Till8629

I would the m51 heat round is amazing, it works even at 7.7


RoboGen123

Smoke shell is so good for trolling enemies early game, love loading 10 smokes in M51 and smoking every camping spot off in the first minute of a match


Microwaved__Caprisun

I love how HE - VT is in the hit your shots better tier when the whole purpose is that you don't have to


Oberst_Stockwerk

There is 1 Apcr round i am looking forward to when it comes to the game someday. The 7,5 / 5,5 cm Pzgr. 41 2,6 kg 1,35kg core of 28mm with 1260m/s. Fired by the 7,5 / 5,5 cm Pak 41 and Waffe 0725. With 3 possible vehicles: Vk 36.01(H) Pz III Ausf. L (in the turret) Pz III Ausf. F (A Pak 41 with shield on the hul mounted like a Marder III or Ho-Ni I.


BigBlackCrocs

Someone isn’t a hesh enjoyer.


HistoriesPiston

This seems more like a Skill Issue tier list rather than anything else. Bro rates HESH, Smoke, and HE rounds as C, D, and F respectively... HE instantly destroys all top-tier MBTs like magic. Large-caliber HESH still instantly eliminates nearly anything, provided you understand how to exploit War Thunder's quirky damage models to your advantage. Smoke is the most underutilized "get out of jail free" card in the game, and most people I encounter daily seem to have no actual idea how to utilize it... You can effectively control an entire battlefield with the Maus by continuously deploying Smoke from the 75mm.


RaptorRex787

Idk man, my swedish APDS rounds are pretty damm good


Dried_Persimmons

Early swedish apds>>>>


FloatingR0ck

Sabot being in the same tier as Hesh is crazy


RagingWarCat

I quite enjoy ATGMs


ich_mag_Fendt

My man you must be delusional, tandem ATGMs are so juicy. That sound when you launch one and seconds later the enemy just pops despite you hitting them in some weird angle, it's just Ah~ 🤤


Sologolos

I don't understand why people hate APDS so much, for me playing Conway or Conqueror, I find that I can easily 1 shot a jagdtiger and alot more


IceBaneeV5

Who tf puts a tandem charge atgm below heatfs?


wenomechainsama03

Hesh that low is treason.


LieutenantNurse-71

Hesh after rework is a bit more useful now


Ok_Database_5795

Aphefsdsheathecbc


DeroTurtle

Besh and smoke only


ItzBooty

Apds is B or C sonce the changes, the damm thing is like an APHE shell


EscapeWestern9057

Smoke shells can be very useful. Especially on something like the Maus with a secondary 75. You can carry like 20+ smoke without hurting your main weapon and spam the shit to be extra annoying to enemies


NctPunk71

Hey I've shot smoke rounds on accident and it actually saves my ass lol


Girffgroff

For me apds dose very well but apfsds is dog water I can’t hit any vital points even when I aim for weak spots hopefully as I play Mbts I will get Better at using this rounds


brick101101

HEATFS should be in all of them bec it varies not just From vehicle to vehicle but from shot to shot, it feels like it anyway


Wonghy111-the-knight

So…. Does this mean the tierlist aren’t over? I had planned on stopping….. 😏


IEnjoyBaconCheese

I actually really like APDS but other than that I agree with this listing


konigstigerboi

I actually really like APDS, at least on the L7 and Friends. It's much more reliable than HEAT, which I only get out for facing a Maus or something. Edit: Wait, why are there two HEATFS? And the HEGMs are awesome, I just kept killing myself with them in the BMP-2M. Reguar HE anything needs to go into Instant Pleasure Why is the VOG over anything? Even shrapnel rounds? Why are proxy missiles so low?


The_RussianBias

You did NOT just put proxy, HE and tandem atgms that low on the list


o-Mauler-o

Ahem… - APDS being below APBC is a crime. - All missiles being below HEAT is a crime, considering that missiles typically have more pen and are guided. - HE-VT missiles being meh is a crime. The platforms that get it can act as low-tier SAMs against enemy helis. - SAMs being so low is confusing. This tierlist clearly is just general effectiveness since you have HE-VT at a higher rating, SAMs are essentially the most effective anti-air in the game.


OL-Penta

Love the fact that HEAT-FS is on there twice


jthablaidd

Man I have awful luck with heatfs these days Either I’ll hit the sweet spot where plates meet so I have like 93859371949mm of armor to go through or my shell magnetizes towards a fuckin light post lol


Random_Chick_I_Guess

The fact that VOG grenades are listed higher than APCR is upsetting me because I can’t argue with it


LandscapeGeneral9169

Shrapnel shells should have their own "you are really f*cked if this is your stock" tier


Own-Gold-8478

Noobs opinion


Karottank

Hesh is S-Tier


ComfortableWealth869

HE is good if you have a big enough caliber, just hit at least near the enemy tank and theyll die


mr_bubbleg

Never make a tierlist again 🔥🔥🔥🗣️🗣️


Alarming_Might1991

Smoke shells deserve a higher place, its super useful when you use it right. Being able to launch a smokescreen in front of an enemy (group) to blind them and pushing to better spot is a thing i love in lower tiers, i wish more tanks had them.


Geskawary2341

idk heatfs was always painful 1 crew member per shot. 105mm apds on the other hand has crazy damage


o7DiceStrike

Smoke shell on milk trucks - love me some war crimes


Tortugo_1

NEVER MAKE A LIST AGAIN 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔊🔊🔊🔊


Double_Address3585

HESH in D is criminal, put some respect on my boi.


Separate-Presence-61

List is missing the flat capped apbc found on the 128mm of the maus and E-100. IDK what tier though, probably A or B


OVERLORD_AN1ME

You don't have sap rounds on there


Julio_Tortilla

Sabot and proxy missiles so low???


Der_Hikikomori

why is two times heat there? one in A and one in C?


weebstonks1214

why is heat so high bro that shi fucks me over more than solid shot 😭🙏


Civilian_tf2

Can someone explain the difference between anti tank grenade rounds and regular heat-fs? I’ve been using only the m50 for about a year now and I still don’t know the difference.


Ceres--

all of meh shouldn't be meh come on snail


grafelh04

IN WHAT WORLD IS HESH WORSE THAN HEAT?!?!


SharkRDita

You forgot the most op shell of all time : shrapnel shells


Andre_Type_0-

Man i just realized i have no idea what the round is by picture alone