Yeh but the PP has been especially bad under Lauer, no getting around that. Obviously the players are also to blame but keeping Brad around has been an idiotic decision.
5 months ago, this has been 4 years now.
At any rate, to fix the PK today they need to stay out of the box.
My idea to fix the PK long ago, was move Ville or Capo to qb the first PP, and get 44 on the PK.
The stubbrness of Bowness on this PK with Lauer, just ignoring it for all this time, its reared its ugly head..
Our best possession guys, Villardi, JOMO, Iaffalo, Lowry, Apples probably need to be on the PK, and if they cant play the PP because they are tired, fine, its not like our PP is world class anyway.
Not to mention McKinnon knows Pionk is our weak link.. he skates past him every single time .. actually they all do or they park on pionks side of the net while Pionk bounces off them because he can’t move them then he gets frustrated catches a penalty… over and over ..Pionk is the worst
Also they did better last night on this but you can’t give makar an inch of shooting room when he is up top or he will sail the puck passed the crowd in everytime
It's funny how I keep hearing/reading this and then juxtapose the comments from Bones singing his favorite lyrics of Puck Management (tm) over and over in pressers. Which by the way is hard to fault him because every time they block a shot it's a 4 on 2 coming back at us.
I'm on the other side here. We need to implement a trap game and be very selective of our rushes cause the Avs are better skilled than us, they're faster than us, and they are running away with this series.
What we're doing ain't working.
Yea but when your on the PP your resting your defenders.
Last night the Jets had several players blatantly interfered with while up 2-1. The next call is on Lowry for being stronger than Mackinon while fighting for space. Nvm the trip on Conner that would have had the play blown down before the 4min high stick happens.
Need to shot and get the rebounds like when helle is getting pit shotted multiple times it tends to go in or force an offensive zone face off. But the were basically even numbers or just their defense instead of slowing we need to drive the net and shoot. Pains me when I see ehlers do this like buddy great you got the puck out keep going and shoot and maybe it goes in or maybe we get an offensive zone face off or maybe the remaining jets trailing you get the rebound at worst their turnover coming back at us runs into our guys coming up ice close to center.
The transition is terrible. Colorado has three on the blue line every time we attack. As a result we’re dumping every time instead of carrying in.
Colorado is the best offence in the league. We’re not going to win with two goals. We need more speed through the neutral zone.
Put Ehlers on the top line you cowards.
Stop taking penalties, we can’t stop their power play so we have to play smarter. We will get the win in game 4 and come home tied. No big deal no reason to panic, Colorado was never going to be an easy first round match up. Why doesn’t the west structure the playoff matchups the same way the east does?
They do most of the eastern teams got less points then the western teams that never made it into the playoffs. Tampa have 98 points, Capitals 91, Islanders 94, Leafs 102. In the west the lowest teams are Golden Knights 98, Predators 99, Kings 99, Oilers 104, so only the Leafs and Tampa would've even qualified in the West.
We need to hit on the forecheck and make them play a 200 ft game. We need to put Perfetti in and give him a chance. I imagine Stanley comes in for Dillon next game. Helle needs to play his game and stay in the net, we need to be more aggressive in our d-zone and not play so passively as well as do a better job at clogging up the neutral zone. Next game is critical, we need to start banging bodies.
It’s warming up, they’ve got tee times booked and as Chevy said last year. Jets fans should be grateful to even make the playoffs. That first game first round win is the Jets Stanley Cup.
We abandoned the aggressive forecheck because Bones is afraid of MacKinnon. The Jets were at their best when they were playing heavy and aggressive, not sitting back and waiting for the opponent to come to them. I think if we go back to that, we risk letting them get more chances off the rush but we also allow ourselves more scoring chances and put pressure on the Avs in their own zone. Sometimes it feels like Bones doesn't trust the players enough to make meaningful changes and it's super frustrating
What you’re describing is exactly how the Jets played in period 1 of game (and how they played much of the year). The fact is this: “Ya gotta dance with them what bring ya.”
I have no idea. Shooting the puck would help. Having 2 superstars would help. Being built for playoff success would help. Playing 60 minutes would help. Staying out of the box would help - though the penalties called were often real weak.
Something I see time and time again, the teams that hoist the cup are dynamic and capable of adjusting their game period to period. They have 2 super stars. Ideally one centre and one defenseman that scares the shit out of other teams. An all-star goalie isn't very important now. Your goalie just has to be good enough. Maybe two good enough goalies.
At the end of the game, if the Jets don't play perfectly for 60 minutes, the Avs offense powered by McKinnon and Makar - two absolute units of offensive power, will make us eat shit and die.
Yeah the goalie can only do so much. But knowing who are stars are we should probably be playing tighter through the neutral zone and more opportunistic style of offense.
We don’t have any skilled players who can play a heavy game. Lowry is a great role player.
We need to want it more for the full 60 minutes, it seems like there are stretches of the game where we do that, then the inevitable let down with no pushback afterwards. I don't want it to be true, but this sure looks a lot like last year...
No more dump and chase, put Perfetti and maybe Miller in. Give Helle a night off and see how Brossoit does. Fire Brad Lauer because special teams sucks, but has gotten a bit better on the PP. Don’t take stupid penalties, and hope to god that the refs start calling things a bit more equally.
Dump and chase is fine but the second man in needs to bust his ass to get in there (assuming first guy took the body). But your right it's not working. Guys need to be flying and they're not.
I would ask them to pound the Avs every fucking chance they get. I saw many Jets avoid hitting the Avs D man. For example, Toffoli had a chance to crunch Makar and instead turned hard to avoid the hit (which would have been legal hit and great opportunity).
Win puck battles on the boards. This has been bad especially in our end. Not sure how to fix that but it's an issue.
All game Avs D pinched and turned over the puck at the Jets blue line. It was brutal. I bet 20-30 times.
Finally I hate to say it, but Apples needs to sit for Barron when he's healthy to add more skill while maintaining physicality and defensive play. Barron looked good with Lowry for a stint earlier this year and has been great. Apples is just not skilled enough for this series.
I would also add Perfetti for Toffoli or Ehlers both of which have been struggling. Ehlers has looked lost all series, making strange decisiona and I am a huge fan.
Yeah totally agree with pounding them. The best way to neutralize a faster team is to be more physical. Don’t even let guys like MacKinnon use his speed - lay him out (obviously without trying to injure him).
Yup. Make them think about dodging/bracing for the hit instead of rushing, stretch passes and cute moves.
Sadly I think Dilly is done. Cuts like that take a long time to heal. If it damaged ligands he could have permanent damage. My friend damaged ligaments from a cut and she was never the same. I really hope not though!
Dilly has been most physical (and Pionk). So now Samberg, Stanley, and Pionk need to increasingly play tough on those forwards and make them pay (within the rules of course).
I don't think Schmidt threw 5 hits all night.... (could be wrong though).
Yeah. Lowry can be a good physical presence too. I liked Stan in the series, but I’m guessing that Bones felt like Schmidt activates better and creates more offense.
Here’s the thing. If you want to carry the puck through 3 zones you can’t get bullied off of it. You have to make good passes. Do you think we have the guys to do that?
I think we need to play a more passive game focused on defending to slow them down first of all. Tire them out and actually get the puck. Trap through the neutral zone since our forecheck has been useless. Conserve some energy but be ready to transition off turnovers.
1) stop taking bad penalties
2) SKATE SKATE SKATE
3) dont try and make the fancy play and turnover the puck. Stick to basics and good things happen
4) be physical, finish your hits.
Play our game. We beat this team 3 times this season and once in this series so far. We know how to play them. But for what ever reason we look super passive on defence and our offence has been reduced to dump and chase. Can’t keep letting them get free zone entries. Close the gap and get the forwards back quicker. As for offence, stop dumping it. We look dangerous when we have actual possession but so many shifts are just dump it and loose it or take one crap shot from the perimeter and turn it over.
The players need some poise and to act like they've been to the playoffs before. Complain about penalties all you want but nobody forced us to take that double minor at the worst possible time. And nobody forced us to completely melt down immediately after that. I don't know if it's the players, the leadership, or both but get your shit together guys.
We need to build a faster team around this core and get at least 1 more 1st line dman and a 2nd line dman. Preferably RHD. Team is deep up front and inadequate on the back end.
A lot is said from our share of shot attempts at 5 on 5. It is not pretty, but interesting to see that line 2 is the only line scraping by on the stat sheet.
[5v5 Unblocked Shot Attempts](https://imgur.com/0pXiVf9)
Get more shots. Georgiev sucks.
Take advantage of Colorado’s aggressive forecheck and deep offensive zone pressure. Multiple times last night I saw 4 Colorado players below the top of the circle in the Jets zone. If they push for more turnovers, they’re going to be rewarded with a plethora of odd man rushes.
Everybody is playing scared. The D is backing up instead of challenging in transition. The forwards aren't committing to the forecheck because they don't want to get caught. They are also looking for ludicrous passes through 3 defenders instead of shooting or taking it to the crease. Helle looks scared of everything and is overreacting because of it. Scheifele looks lost about what he is supposed to do on every play.
In short, everyone needs a mental reset.
Other than Bro, we can’t do anything. Avs are too good watch how they defend us … we keep saying Jets aren’t playing their game but the Avs are doing a very good job at throwing us off it. They are just a step ahead and their forecheck is destroying us one way, in the other way they collapse in front of their net to defend and we can’t get anything through…we go to perimeter plays
There's a list of things to point to but the most glaring is the terrible special teams.
The Jets look like a team that has no business being in the playoffs. They are earning a dubious reputation as the team that peaks in February.
Not a Jets fan, but I watched the game.
Your players just seemed to not care the entire game, Colorado was just so fast and played so hard.
Everytime I saw a Jet player with the puck they were so slow, and skated with no passion or fire.
Dumping it in and not following up, and then just passing it straight to Avs players.
It sucks to watch because clearly they just don't have anything in them anymore.
Finish checks. Standup at the blue line. Stop caving in and giving space. Giving Mac way too much respect. If Manson can bury Connor and Ehlers, the Jets can step up on Mac.
Carry the puck out of the zone or 1 pass. If they do these things, it's a completely different game.
PK isn't an issue as much as people want it to be. Colorado was 2/6 yesterday. PK was gassed from killing 12 minutes in penalties straight. 10 minutes in penalties in a 9:30 window in the third.
> If Manson can bury Connor and Ehlers, the Jets can step up on Mac.
i mean, mackinnon's got 20lbs on connor and 30 on ehlers. there's a reason they're easier targets haha
Better officiating would also definitely help. Don’t get me wrong, the Jets clearly earned most of their penalties. However, the refs are only calling 1/4 reasonable penalties on the Avs. So many interference (pick plays) that if the Jets did it they would get called. And cmon with the extra cross checks here and there. Gotta call some of those. Bettman’s definitely got his say in this series.
Get to the puck first along the boards. Shot mentality. Shoot then swarm the rebound. Chaos in front of the Avs net. If you’re going to dump and chase, don’t forget about the chase part.
Start winning a few more face offs in your own end. The AV’s played a great game by consistently getting into the face of the jets, stealing the puck and forwarding it up to an AV player who’s open and the odd man rush starts over and over again.
AV’s win 4 games to 1 unless the jets light some afterburners
Depth doesn’t really matter when the other team has one line that is so dominant.
The Jets structure supports their own transition game but also requires the forwards to work really hard to close off the neutral zone. You need to simplify this to make our game more efficient and conserve energy so we can be competitive and have a hope in hell of winning. This is how Bowness has burnt out his teams. We don’t have anyone near the level of MacKinnon. We can’t go toe to toe.
We also rarely exit our own zone cleanly as we take way too long, our D have always struggled to hit the first pass clean and now they are hesitating to try to not turn it over directly. This is smart on some level but we’re also just feeding their transition without being able to move the puck to our players. We basically dump and chase through the neutral zone not just into the OZ.
They need to trap. That’s the only way you compete with MacKinnon line plus Makar with our roster.
I think getting Stanley off the ice was a good start. He's tall and has had some good hits, but his skating and positioning are a real liability. I think the Jets (regrettably) have to start thinking about re-tooling their defense. Pionk and Demelo just don't have the body size of (for example ) Edmonson, to deal with the onslaught of power forwards like McKinnon. Keep Morrisey, Dillon and Sambrook. I like Schmid because I feel he is the glue (always happy and always positive) that can hold a locker room together. Other than that, lazy penalties are killing us. More score like last night and our goalie won't bei too many more Vezina conversations.
Don't lay out the red carpet in the 2nd half of the game lol.
Last 2 we've held the lead in the 2nd half, just to commit a string of unforced errors that just gives the other team the game on a platter.
Everything turned in the second period of game 2. Remember this. This is the same Avs team they beat 7-0 shortly before season’s end. This the same Jets team which gave up on average 2.42 goals per game during the season. But what’s wrong? Beats the heck out of me. It’s not like this isn’t a common playoff theme with the Jets.
Don't take penalties and harder to play on defense. Really though, their PP is winning this series right now so we need to show some fucking discipline.
The top 6 are all soft. Vilardi, Connor, Toffoli, and Monahan all had less than 15 hits during the regular season. The lack of physicality is pathetic. Why can’t the coach force these guys to finish checks? Do they think that hitting really isn’t part of their job description?
Don't force passes or puck movement when not necessary to do so. Seemed quite often players had room to take free ice without pressure and would try to pass it to someone in coverage.
Being fancy on the rush doesn't work on a quick transition team. Avs try to bait it and so far successfully have which is making them seem godly defensively. Because of their explosive offense jets seem to think they need to match. Not their game. Everyone can harp on bones for "puck management" but he is right. This team goes on win streaks when they put the puck into soft ice and go and GET IT. Simple north south grind deep move the puck create some lost coverage(especially against a not so good defensive team like colorado) next thing you know it's 7-0 jets.
Can't take penalties. Sometimes, shit happens. They really were close on multiple pnealty kills but just get too hemmed in and ONCE AGAIN panic and force puck movement like rimming the puck along the boards back to makar when they have time and space to make the smart dump and change.
They've allowed colorado to look fast causing the defensive structure off the rush to give too much respect. They've opened up too much gap and are gaining the jets blue line too easily. Giving avs that kind of space is playing into their hand because they are deadly on the rush allowing for sustained offensive zone time. It also requires the pressure from the forwards on the back check.
It truly does all come down to how they move the puck and where they move the puck. Bones is right.
Could definitely start shooting more as well. Or at least get the puck on net and GET IT back.
Hey Jets fans. Best wishes from a Hab fan here. Many Canadians are rooting for you to bring the Cup home to Canada. Just thought I would drop in and wish you Good Luck. I know Jets are down but you never know till it's over. Habs came back from 3-1 so hang in there. At least you have playoff hockey. Go Jets!
In my opinion, we have too many mid-level players, talent wise. If I were Chevy, I'd try and bolster the roster with a couple more top talent guys that can swing the momentum in a game. A #1 RHD would be a huge addition.
Middlestadt was a great pickup for the Avs, good players do become available.
That said, we aren't having a bad series.
Game 2, we lost momentum when Hellebuyck misplayed the puck and got scored on.
Game 3 went downhill when we kept taking dumb penalties and none of the illegal plays against us were getting called, we had no chance to re-gain momentum. Can't blame the players for getting frustrated and losing their cool at the end of the game, advanced stats models showed they didn't have a bad game and they had the opportunity to win it if it weren't for poor, inconsistent officiating.
It's an unpopular opinion about our talent but it's not entirely wrong. We don't have that game changing X factor like Mack, Matthews or McDavid, Marchand etc that other teams do on offense.
As it stands we have a very complete roster. We just don't have that threat that can flip a game & momentum in a single shift like we've seen other teams do to success this postseason. Like our top D/C/F aren't game changers PPG+ guys.
Our roster construction basically requires a near perfect game from our skaters & great goaltending to win against the more talented playoff rosters we keep running into.
Middelstadt is a decent middle 6 center. Nothing at all special.
Laine was supposed to be our superstar, then Dubois. Not many teams winning without the superstar.
Maybe like a Boston style. But you need to build a team of guys who play heavy. We have too much of Schiefele, Connor, Ehlers, Toffoli etc.
You think of even a depth guy on Colorado like Lehkonen. Hard as hell to play against. We don’t have a guy like that who is at all useful offensively. And we can’t play that style aggressive north south with the guys we have.
Some D who can make a confident and firm pass would be huge.
Feels like we’re further and further away from a proper rebuild though. Re-tool will he tough.
Should have mixed up the lines game 3 for sure now we’re down with less wiggle room to experiment: Tofolli should be dropped down to third. Nino up to 2nd to replace him and think Apples and Iafallo should also switch spots.
Not impressed with Apples or Tofolli rn and this doesn’t factor bringing Perfetti or someone else up.
Appleton is one of a few guys actually moving anyone off the puck and staying on it himself.
I know we all love the dipsy doodle cross ice dekes but there’s not much space out there. Colorado just waits that shit out and jams the puck back down our throats.
Not sure what the answer is but, I know this: last night, they played as though it was a regular season game, at best.
And, Helle needs to stay in the net, NOT EVER play the puck. He fucks it up nearly every time.
They'll never do it. The team has an 8 million a year albatross around its neck and unless he's injured, for better or worse he's playing.
Helle is not a playoff goalie. He's outstanding during the regular season but he doesn't have that extra gear. I've been watching other playoffs and my God their goalies have been making saves that defy logic. Helle gets them occasionally but he's not omg terrific.
And by no means am I dumping on just him. The entire team needs to find an extra gear that other teams that go deep always seem to find. They don't have it yet, and I don't know if they ever will.
1 - shoot the puck
2 - pay off the refs like avs apparantly have
3 - shoot the puck
4 - play the team defense you did in calendar 2023 (well the 2023 of this season not last season)
I would give Crappleton a seat in the press box for game 4.
If Barron is ready, plug him onto line 3. If not, I’d put Iofallo on line 3 and AJF on line 4.
I'd like to see 2nd line Perfetti with Toffoli dropping to the 3rd like we did when Nino was out a few weeks ago
I'm honestly a huge AJF fan but Perfetti's 5th on the team in scoring, and we need some
I think the goal tending and the over all offensive play since we need to score goals while stopping them from anything. The defense is good enough I guess but that’s just what I think
So predictable that when a playoff game is lost, the losing team fans point to the refs. Please just stop. The refs didn’t cause Winnipeg to give up 5 goals in the 3rd period.
You’re so dumb. The Jets committed penalties that got called, the Avs penalties were ignored by the refs. If the refs actually called the game fairly the Jets would’ve spent less time shorthanded and more time on the powerplay which 100% has an effect on the game.
I mean you can’t really play that game because if that were the case the entire game could’ve been different, momentum wise etc.
The refs objectively sucked, the jets didn’t play good enough, the Avs were a better team, now go back to your own sub.
NHL 94 taught me that if you skate towards the slot and shoot in the opposite direction, you will be almost guaranteed to score.
Another good strategy that's successful 98% of the time is the old backhand-forehand deke, while angling towards the post of your forehand.
Or just ramming the stick with puck against the side bar of the net.
Well he should’ve done something about the PK 5 months ago for starters.
Special teams overall have been a let down for years. It's not exclusive to just this year, however the pk has been especially unspectacular
Legit the only year we had a PP over 20% and made the playoffs was 17-18 with Laine
Yeh but the PP has been especially bad under Lauer, no getting around that. Obviously the players are also to blame but keeping Brad around has been an idiotic decision.
It’s so weird. Our PK last year was good. Same coaches. So bad this year. What happened
5 months ago, this has been 4 years now. At any rate, to fix the PK today they need to stay out of the box. My idea to fix the PK long ago, was move Ville or Capo to qb the first PP, and get 44 on the PK. The stubbrness of Bowness on this PK with Lauer, just ignoring it for all this time, its reared its ugly head.. Our best possession guys, Villardi, JOMO, Iaffalo, Lowry, Apples probably need to be on the PK, and if they cant play the PP because they are tired, fine, its not like our PP is world class anyway.
we should play our best players more and our worse players less
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That's the stuff, yes
You don’t think if Pionk keeps getting thrown out 20 + minutes a night, eventually something good will happen? You have no faith.
i have been called a doomer before fwiw
Not to mention McKinnon knows Pionk is our weak link.. he skates past him every single time .. actually they all do or they park on pionks side of the net while Pionk bounces off them because he can’t move them then he gets frustrated catches a penalty… over and over ..Pionk is the worst Also they did better last night on this but you can’t give makar an inch of shooting room when he is up top or he will sail the puck passed the crowd in everytime
Shoot the damn puck. Even with the controversy non-calls.. hard to win a playoff hockey game with only 24 shots.
As Vancouver wins a game with what 12 shots yesterday lol
It's funny how I keep hearing/reading this and then juxtapose the comments from Bones singing his favorite lyrics of Puck Management (tm) over and over in pressers. Which by the way is hard to fault him because every time they block a shot it's a 4 on 2 coming back at us. I'm on the other side here. We need to implement a trap game and be very selective of our rushes cause the Avs are better skilled than us, they're faster than us, and they are running away with this series. What we're doing ain't working.
The idea that the Jets can shoot their way out of this is wrong, but shooting instead of trying extra passes is a damn good idea.
they spent most of the game on the PK after it was tied
Hard to shoot the puck when you don’t get PPs and your constantly on the PK.
I wouldn’t rely on the Jets PP to win games.
Yea but when your on the PP your resting your defenders. Last night the Jets had several players blatantly interfered with while up 2-1. The next call is on Lowry for being stronger than Mackinon while fighting for space. Nvm the trip on Conner that would have had the play blown down before the 4min high stick happens.
At one point shot attempts were nearly even at 51-46 in Colorado favour. Only issue was their 51 converted to 27 on net ours were 19.
Need to shot and get the rebounds like when helle is getting pit shotted multiple times it tends to go in or force an offensive zone face off. But the were basically even numbers or just their defense instead of slowing we need to drive the net and shoot. Pains me when I see ehlers do this like buddy great you got the puck out keep going and shoot and maybe it goes in or maybe we get an offensive zone face off or maybe the remaining jets trailing you get the rebound at worst their turnover coming back at us runs into our guys coming up ice close to center.
The transition is terrible. Colorado has three on the blue line every time we attack. As a result we’re dumping every time instead of carrying in. Colorado is the best offence in the league. We’re not going to win with two goals. We need more speed through the neutral zone. Put Ehlers on the top line you cowards.
ehlers has been dreadful this series
None of the top 6 have been lighting the world on fire outside of the Game 1 track meet.
He has been, 100%. And some how that still puts him above average for the playoffs thus far.
Stop taking penalties, we can’t stop their power play so we have to play smarter. We will get the win in game 4 and come home tied. No big deal no reason to panic, Colorado was never going to be an easy first round match up. Why doesn’t the west structure the playoff matchups the same way the east does?
>Why doesn’t the west structure the playoff matchups the same way the east does? Wat
Playoff format is the same in both conferences
They do most of the eastern teams got less points then the western teams that never made it into the playoffs. Tampa have 98 points, Capitals 91, Islanders 94, Leafs 102. In the west the lowest teams are Golden Knights 98, Predators 99, Kings 99, Oilers 104, so only the Leafs and Tampa would've even qualified in the West.
i say play Perfetti
We need to hit on the forecheck and make them play a 200 ft game. We need to put Perfetti in and give him a chance. I imagine Stanley comes in for Dillon next game. Helle needs to play his game and stay in the net, we need to be more aggressive in our d-zone and not play so passively as well as do a better job at clogging up the neutral zone. Next game is critical, we need to start banging bodies.
We were amazed at how completely unphysical they were yesterday. Zero pushback or aggression. Nothing. Stickwaving. Ugh
It’s warming up, they’ve got tee times booked and as Chevy said last year. Jets fans should be grateful to even make the playoffs. That first game first round win is the Jets Stanley Cup.
Id tell Pionk that Sunday’s game was a 7pm puck drop, when he shows up at 5 the game is over. Easy
We abandoned the aggressive forecheck because Bones is afraid of MacKinnon. The Jets were at their best when they were playing heavy and aggressive, not sitting back and waiting for the opponent to come to them. I think if we go back to that, we risk letting them get more chances off the rush but we also allow ourselves more scoring chances and put pressure on the Avs in their own zone. Sometimes it feels like Bones doesn't trust the players enough to make meaningful changes and it's super frustrating
What you’re describing is exactly how the Jets played in period 1 of game (and how they played much of the year). The fact is this: “Ya gotta dance with them what bring ya.”
I have no idea. Shooting the puck would help. Having 2 superstars would help. Being built for playoff success would help. Playing 60 minutes would help. Staying out of the box would help - though the penalties called were often real weak. Something I see time and time again, the teams that hoist the cup are dynamic and capable of adjusting their game period to period. They have 2 super stars. Ideally one centre and one defenseman that scares the shit out of other teams. An all-star goalie isn't very important now. Your goalie just has to be good enough. Maybe two good enough goalies. At the end of the game, if the Jets don't play perfectly for 60 minutes, the Avs offense powered by McKinnon and Makar - two absolute units of offensive power, will make us eat shit and die.
Yeah the goalie can only do so much. But knowing who are stars are we should probably be playing tighter through the neutral zone and more opportunistic style of offense. We don’t have any skilled players who can play a heavy game. Lowry is a great role player.
We need to want it more for the full 60 minutes, it seems like there are stretches of the game where we do that, then the inevitable let down with no pushback afterwards. I don't want it to be true, but this sure looks a lot like last year...
Free Miller.
No more dump and chase, put Perfetti and maybe Miller in. Give Helle a night off and see how Brossoit does. Fire Brad Lauer because special teams sucks, but has gotten a bit better on the PP. Don’t take stupid penalties, and hope to god that the refs start calling things a bit more equally.
Dump and chase is fine but the second man in needs to bust his ass to get in there (assuming first guy took the body). But your right it's not working. Guys need to be flying and they're not. I would ask them to pound the Avs every fucking chance they get. I saw many Jets avoid hitting the Avs D man. For example, Toffoli had a chance to crunch Makar and instead turned hard to avoid the hit (which would have been legal hit and great opportunity). Win puck battles on the boards. This has been bad especially in our end. Not sure how to fix that but it's an issue. All game Avs D pinched and turned over the puck at the Jets blue line. It was brutal. I bet 20-30 times. Finally I hate to say it, but Apples needs to sit for Barron when he's healthy to add more skill while maintaining physicality and defensive play. Barron looked good with Lowry for a stint earlier this year and has been great. Apples is just not skilled enough for this series. I would also add Perfetti for Toffoli or Ehlers both of which have been struggling. Ehlers has looked lost all series, making strange decisiona and I am a huge fan.
Yeah totally agree with pounding them. The best way to neutralize a faster team is to be more physical. Don’t even let guys like MacKinnon use his speed - lay him out (obviously without trying to injure him).
Yup. Make them think about dodging/bracing for the hit instead of rushing, stretch passes and cute moves. Sadly I think Dilly is done. Cuts like that take a long time to heal. If it damaged ligands he could have permanent damage. My friend damaged ligaments from a cut and she was never the same. I really hope not though! Dilly has been most physical (and Pionk). So now Samberg, Stanley, and Pionk need to increasingly play tough on those forwards and make them pay (within the rules of course). I don't think Schmidt threw 5 hits all night.... (could be wrong though).
Yeah. Lowry can be a good physical presence too. I liked Stan in the series, but I’m guessing that Bones felt like Schmidt activates better and creates more offense.
Here’s the thing. If you want to carry the puck through 3 zones you can’t get bullied off of it. You have to make good passes. Do you think we have the guys to do that? I think we need to play a more passive game focused on defending to slow them down first of all. Tire them out and actually get the puck. Trap through the neutral zone since our forecheck has been useless. Conserve some energy but be ready to transition off turnovers.
The D needs to step up on the blue line with a centre back-checking to stop allowing zone entries with the puck on their stick.
1) stop taking bad penalties 2) SKATE SKATE SKATE 3) dont try and make the fancy play and turnover the puck. Stick to basics and good things happen 4) be physical, finish your hits.
Play our game. We beat this team 3 times this season and once in this series so far. We know how to play them. But for what ever reason we look super passive on defence and our offence has been reduced to dump and chase. Can’t keep letting them get free zone entries. Close the gap and get the forwards back quicker. As for offence, stop dumping it. We look dangerous when we have actual possession but so many shifts are just dump it and loose it or take one crap shot from the perimeter and turn it over.
Totally different scenario. They are fully game planned for us. They aren’t playing 2 other teams this week.
The players need some poise and to act like they've been to the playoffs before. Complain about penalties all you want but nobody forced us to take that double minor at the worst possible time. And nobody forced us to completely melt down immediately after that. I don't know if it's the players, the leadership, or both but get your shit together guys.
There just isn't a lot of mental toughness on this team. So easily rattled.
We need to build a faster team around this core and get at least 1 more 1st line dman and a 2nd line dman. Preferably RHD. Team is deep up front and inadequate on the back end.
A lot is said from our share of shot attempts at 5 on 5. It is not pretty, but interesting to see that line 2 is the only line scraping by on the stat sheet. [5v5 Unblocked Shot Attempts](https://imgur.com/0pXiVf9)
Is this for the series or the game? curious because everyone was talking about the 2nd line sucking ass after game 2
The series
that's super interesting, considering how much complaining has been directed their way. thanks for sharing that tbh
Get more shots. Georgiev sucks. Take advantage of Colorado’s aggressive forecheck and deep offensive zone pressure. Multiple times last night I saw 4 Colorado players below the top of the circle in the Jets zone. If they push for more turnovers, they’re going to be rewarded with a plethora of odd man rushes.
The Jets are way too passive in the D-zone.
Samberg and miller in ?
Everybody is playing scared. The D is backing up instead of challenging in transition. The forwards aren't committing to the forecheck because they don't want to get caught. They are also looking for ludicrous passes through 3 defenders instead of shooting or taking it to the crease. Helle looks scared of everything and is overreacting because of it. Scheifele looks lost about what he is supposed to do on every play. In short, everyone needs a mental reset.
Other than Bro, we can’t do anything. Avs are too good watch how they defend us … we keep saying Jets aren’t playing their game but the Avs are doing a very good job at throwing us off it. They are just a step ahead and their forecheck is destroying us one way, in the other way they collapse in front of their net to defend and we can’t get anything through…we go to perimeter plays
Avs have kicked it into a higher gear. I don’t know if the Jets have that gear.
There's a list of things to point to but the most glaring is the terrible special teams. The Jets look like a team that has no business being in the playoffs. They are earning a dubious reputation as the team that peaks in February.
Our stars have no grit
Not a Jets fan, but I watched the game. Your players just seemed to not care the entire game, Colorado was just so fast and played so hard. Everytime I saw a Jet player with the puck they were so slow, and skated with no passion or fire. Dumping it in and not following up, and then just passing it straight to Avs players. It sucks to watch because clearly they just don't have anything in them anymore.
Finish checks. Standup at the blue line. Stop caving in and giving space. Giving Mac way too much respect. If Manson can bury Connor and Ehlers, the Jets can step up on Mac. Carry the puck out of the zone or 1 pass. If they do these things, it's a completely different game. PK isn't an issue as much as people want it to be. Colorado was 2/6 yesterday. PK was gassed from killing 12 minutes in penalties straight. 10 minutes in penalties in a 9:30 window in the third.
> If Manson can bury Connor and Ehlers, the Jets can step up on Mac. i mean, mackinnon's got 20lbs on connor and 30 on ehlers. there's a reason they're easier targets haha
Manson is also a much better skater than our more physical players, can’t hit what you can’t catch
Better officiating would also definitely help. Don’t get me wrong, the Jets clearly earned most of their penalties. However, the refs are only calling 1/4 reasonable penalties on the Avs. So many interference (pick plays) that if the Jets did it they would get called. And cmon with the extra cross checks here and there. Gotta call some of those. Bettman’s definitely got his say in this series.
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I know. I almost tuned out at 4-2 sensing we were cooked. I wish I had. Literally going to bed pissed and disappointed
Get to the puck first along the boards. Shot mentality. Shoot then swarm the rebound. Chaos in front of the Avs net. If you’re going to dump and chase, don’t forget about the chase part.
Start winning a few more face offs in your own end. The AV’s played a great game by consistently getting into the face of the jets, stealing the puck and forwarding it up to an AV player who’s open and the odd man rush starts over and over again. AV’s win 4 games to 1 unless the jets light some afterburners
Depth doesn’t really matter when the other team has one line that is so dominant. The Jets structure supports their own transition game but also requires the forwards to work really hard to close off the neutral zone. You need to simplify this to make our game more efficient and conserve energy so we can be competitive and have a hope in hell of winning. This is how Bowness has burnt out his teams. We don’t have anyone near the level of MacKinnon. We can’t go toe to toe. We also rarely exit our own zone cleanly as we take way too long, our D have always struggled to hit the first pass clean and now they are hesitating to try to not turn it over directly. This is smart on some level but we’re also just feeding their transition without being able to move the puck to our players. We basically dump and chase through the neutral zone not just into the OZ. They need to trap. That’s the only way you compete with MacKinnon line plus Makar with our roster.
I think getting Stanley off the ice was a good start. He's tall and has had some good hits, but his skating and positioning are a real liability. I think the Jets (regrettably) have to start thinking about re-tooling their defense. Pionk and Demelo just don't have the body size of (for example ) Edmonson, to deal with the onslaught of power forwards like McKinnon. Keep Morrisey, Dillon and Sambrook. I like Schmid because I feel he is the glue (always happy and always positive) that can hold a locker room together. Other than that, lazy penalties are killing us. More score like last night and our goalie won't bei too many more Vezina conversations.
Don't lay out the red carpet in the 2nd half of the game lol. Last 2 we've held the lead in the 2nd half, just to commit a string of unforced errors that just gives the other team the game on a platter.
Everything turned in the second period of game 2. Remember this. This is the same Avs team they beat 7-0 shortly before season’s end. This the same Jets team which gave up on average 2.42 goals per game during the season. But what’s wrong? Beats the heck out of me. It’s not like this isn’t a common playoff theme with the Jets.
Don't take penalties and harder to play on defense. Really though, their PP is winning this series right now so we need to show some fucking discipline.
The top 6 are all soft. Vilardi, Connor, Toffoli, and Monahan all had less than 15 hits during the regular season. The lack of physicality is pathetic. Why can’t the coach force these guys to finish checks? Do they think that hitting really isn’t part of their job description?
Don't force passes or puck movement when not necessary to do so. Seemed quite often players had room to take free ice without pressure and would try to pass it to someone in coverage. Being fancy on the rush doesn't work on a quick transition team. Avs try to bait it and so far successfully have which is making them seem godly defensively. Because of their explosive offense jets seem to think they need to match. Not their game. Everyone can harp on bones for "puck management" but he is right. This team goes on win streaks when they put the puck into soft ice and go and GET IT. Simple north south grind deep move the puck create some lost coverage(especially against a not so good defensive team like colorado) next thing you know it's 7-0 jets. Can't take penalties. Sometimes, shit happens. They really were close on multiple pnealty kills but just get too hemmed in and ONCE AGAIN panic and force puck movement like rimming the puck along the boards back to makar when they have time and space to make the smart dump and change. They've allowed colorado to look fast causing the defensive structure off the rush to give too much respect. They've opened up too much gap and are gaining the jets blue line too easily. Giving avs that kind of space is playing into their hand because they are deadly on the rush allowing for sustained offensive zone time. It also requires the pressure from the forwards on the back check. It truly does all come down to how they move the puck and where they move the puck. Bones is right. Could definitely start shooting more as well. Or at least get the puck on net and GET IT back.
The coach
Hey Jets fans. Best wishes from a Hab fan here. Many Canadians are rooting for you to bring the Cup home to Canada. Just thought I would drop in and wish you Good Luck. I know Jets are down but you never know till it's over. Habs came back from 3-1 so hang in there. At least you have playoff hockey. Go Jets!
Coaching.
In my opinion, we have too many mid-level players, talent wise. If I were Chevy, I'd try and bolster the roster with a couple more top talent guys that can swing the momentum in a game. A #1 RHD would be a huge addition. Middlestadt was a great pickup for the Avs, good players do become available. That said, we aren't having a bad series. Game 2, we lost momentum when Hellebuyck misplayed the puck and got scored on. Game 3 went downhill when we kept taking dumb penalties and none of the illegal plays against us were getting called, we had no chance to re-gain momentum. Can't blame the players for getting frustrated and losing their cool at the end of the game, advanced stats models showed they didn't have a bad game and they had the opportunity to win it if it weren't for poor, inconsistent officiating.
It's an unpopular opinion about our talent but it's not entirely wrong. We don't have that game changing X factor like Mack, Matthews or McDavid, Marchand etc that other teams do on offense. As it stands we have a very complete roster. We just don't have that threat that can flip a game & momentum in a single shift like we've seen other teams do to success this postseason. Like our top D/C/F aren't game changers PPG+ guys. Our roster construction basically requires a near perfect game from our skaters & great goaltending to win against the more talented playoff rosters we keep running into.
Middelstadt is a decent middle 6 center. Nothing at all special. Laine was supposed to be our superstar, then Dubois. Not many teams winning without the superstar. Maybe like a Boston style. But you need to build a team of guys who play heavy. We have too much of Schiefele, Connor, Ehlers, Toffoli etc. You think of even a depth guy on Colorado like Lehkonen. Hard as hell to play against. We don’t have a guy like that who is at all useful offensively. And we can’t play that style aggressive north south with the guys we have. Some D who can make a confident and firm pass would be huge. Feels like we’re further and further away from a proper rebuild though. Re-tool will he tough.
Our superstar is Hellebuyck. Let’s not forget that.
Yeah…but only so much he can do in comparison to a skater.
Should have mixed up the lines game 3 for sure now we’re down with less wiggle room to experiment: Tofolli should be dropped down to third. Nino up to 2nd to replace him and think Apples and Iafallo should also switch spots. Not impressed with Apples or Tofolli rn and this doesn’t factor bringing Perfetti or someone else up.
How is Appleton still being played? Painful watching him bobble the puck pretty much every time it is on his stick.
Appleton is one of a few guys actually moving anyone off the puck and staying on it himself. I know we all love the dipsy doodle cross ice dekes but there’s not much space out there. Colorado just waits that shit out and jams the puck back down our throats.
Not sure which game you are watching. Appleton is terrible on loose puck battles.
imo bring perfetti in for apples or gus. go back to 2nd line perfetti like we did with nino out a few weeks ago, those looked good
Probably a good idea to not play your worst defensemen 22 minutes a night against the other teams best.
Not sure what the answer is but, I know this: last night, they played as though it was a regular season game, at best. And, Helle needs to stay in the net, NOT EVER play the puck. He fucks it up nearly every time.
Brossoit needs to get the start tomorrow!!
They'll never do it. The team has an 8 million a year albatross around its neck and unless he's injured, for better or worse he's playing. Helle is not a playoff goalie. He's outstanding during the regular season but he doesn't have that extra gear. I've been watching other playoffs and my God their goalies have been making saves that defy logic. Helle gets them occasionally but he's not omg terrific. And by no means am I dumping on just him. The entire team needs to find an extra gear that other teams that go deep always seem to find. They don't have it yet, and I don't know if they ever will.
No dumb penalties, clog up the neutral zone, shoot the gotdamb puck
Breakout and neutral zone transition adjustments. Biggest issue has been Colorado is getting easy(er) transition and Winnipeg hasn’t.
Stop providing the means to our defeat.
Hellybuck hasn't had a good playoff game in 4 years... it is time to try the wall.
I’d put brossoit in. 17 goals in 3 games?
I would give Perfetti a chance in the top six which Bowness should have done two games ago.
1 - shoot the puck 2 - pay off the refs like avs apparantly have 3 - shoot the puck 4 - play the team defense you did in calendar 2023 (well the 2023 of this season not last season)
I would give Crappleton a seat in the press box for game 4. If Barron is ready, plug him onto line 3. If not, I’d put Iofallo on line 3 and AJF on line 4.
I'd like to see 2nd line Perfetti with Toffoli dropping to the 3rd like we did when Nino was out a few weeks ago I'm honestly a huge AJF fan but Perfetti's 5th on the team in scoring, and we need some
Expectations aside, Toffoli was not great on the Lowry line.
Can't agree more with this. Appleton stinks. What does he have on Bowness?
Wait til next season and a new coaching staff?
Brossoit in net gm4?
I think the goal tending and the over all offensive play since we need to score goals while stopping them from anything. The defense is good enough I guess but that’s just what I think
The entire core, coaching and ownership/management.
Do you trade your car in when it needs an oil change? Sell your house when the lawn needs maintenance?
Needs way more than oil change
So predictable that when a playoff game is lost, the losing team fans point to the refs. Please just stop. The refs didn’t cause Winnipeg to give up 5 goals in the 3rd period.
You’re so dumb. The Jets committed penalties that got called, the Avs penalties were ignored by the refs. If the refs actually called the game fairly the Jets would’ve spent less time shorthanded and more time on the powerplay which 100% has an effect on the game.
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Go back to your own sub, or is being a little shit online the only way you can be happy?
I mean you can’t really play that game because if that were the case the entire game could’ve been different, momentum wise etc. The refs objectively sucked, the jets didn’t play good enough, the Avs were a better team, now go back to your own sub.
perfetti needs to play and so does broeswall.
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