The one currency is huge. I am so sick of every different faction and zone having multiple currency. They acknowledged it was a problem in shadowlands but it seems they did nothing to fix it in DF. Heaven forbid something in time rifts could help out with anything in zaralek caverns.
But here you play the game you get bronze.
Yah I stopped doing open world quests and quit professions. They are no fun anymore so I just do mythics which I really enjoy and pay gold. I really hope the next expansion does away with the 50 different currencies and map having 50 different events which you have to have a spread sheet to remember what gives what.
Yeah there is some kind of barely doled out currency from those storms that you can use to buy pets and a mount. I have like 60 and have zero desire to go any further.
They really need to work on less currencies and multiple methods to get currencies.
You get a LOT more from Forbidden Reach, but it might be tricky to do stuff there as it’s a lot of group content. But you might be able to solo some stuff to get it. It’s how I was able to get that currency.
Oh I mean the lightening bolt currency that only seems to come from the storms. There’s that cloud currency that is also in the forbidden reach that I think you are speaking to here. And it was very much appreciated that they carried that currency on in that new area.
I just wish the other one would too.
I think that functionally the goal of different currencies is to get the daily and monthly active user numbers up. It makes sense to them because you can't earn a currency for Y by doing X, so when they release Y, you have to do the Y activities, you can't use stored currency from when you did X.
But to me, with how much currency it takes, I'm never going to get the rewards from X, Y, and Z, so instead I'll choose X and do that every day, because the X activity is the one I enjoy. I literally just stop caring about the Y and Z rewards. They don't motivate me.
But if you could use X currency to get Y and Z rewards, that might encourage me to keep logging in to do X activity so that I can get the other rewards.
There definitely needs to be more collapsing of currencies between different activities in the same patch. Like I do think it would be an issue if MoP Remix 1.5 came out and also used Bronze for everything because people coming back to the game for 1.5 would immediately be massively behind people that farmed to prepare for the new patch. But when Zaralek and Time Rifts both drop in the same patch and have similar rewards, having two parallel currencies doesn't make sense.
People are really just kind of describing anima and I'm not sure they realize it. That *was* the universal currency. It's sort of a mixed bag, and to your point, allowing for any kind of hording between patches is super dangerous.
Except MANY of the things you could purchase with anima...also required another currency in order to actually be able to use it for xmogs and whatnot. Anima is definitely not anywhere near the same as how bronze is functioning in Remix
Anima acquisition is also awful relative to how many things you can buy with it. I got to level 12 in Mists remix and have about 1000 bronze. If I had like 10 and the rewards cost what they did, I'd level the alts I want for TWW and dip. But I'm done with DF so this is actual motivation to play the content, with rewards I can earn before it ends.
Anima had like 500 currencies just related to it. If it was just you get anima no one would have a problem with it. The problem was that all the random anima currency items filled your bags and you had to go out of your way to turn them into currency
They could have a progress (Dream) currency, and a legacy (everything before Dream) currency - and when a new season dropped, Progress is converted to Legacy. If I remember correctly, they even had/have that in PvP.
Yeah they probably should have one currency for each of the stupid world events like superbloom, time rift, soup. If they release one that is bad that no one wants to do like big dig I think it actually has a negative effect on users forcing them to do it even for cosmetics because it is bad.
Yeah. I think it’s similar to how they have the progression avenues in DF where if you want to do high end content you can do PvP or raiding or mythic plus.
If they want to push my metrics up they need to give me choices to engage in depending on what interests me that season/month/patch.
Like I’m happy if their metrics are up because the game is hopefully thriving and engaging to a lot of people. That’s great! But please help me help you get these metrics because I don’t have the time that I had 20 years ago to devote to spending 3 months to get one small thing and then another 2 months to get another small thing.
All it would take to fix this is still just put everything in the currency tab and have it wiped on new expansions, then let you purchase legacy content with any of currency from new expansion. They could just add a new currency every season and they'd be fine.
You don't even need to do that (a wipe). Literally a solved problem. Just look at how FF14 does Tomestomes. On expansion release, you get a new "level cap currency", the old "level cap currency" gets deprecated and can be rolled back into a singular "legacy currency".
You can do this with any kind of granularity you like. Universal Legacy, Level Cap, Cutting Edge. would give you a pretty good spread in just three currencies that could be maintained forever. Basically gives you a currency for all legacy content, a currency for content in the latest expansion, and a currency for the latest patch content.
I remember when all you had to do for the special mounts and pets in an area was just get the rep and spend gold. Extra currencies are a gimmick i detest..
That this one isn't account-bound seriously grinds my gears. "But that would be too easy, you get 10 for free just by killing your first rare on a character!" Yes that is exactly my point, *Literally nobody* has been doing the primalist future since 10.1 dropped because it's such a pain in the ass. Let my 30 alts run over a rare or two in there so I can buy the damned things there is no hope of getting anymore.
In fairness, we can look at this as the extreme experiment for blizz to see how we like it. With good feedback not just on liking mop remix but the reduced currency bloat maybe Blizz will implement similar systems for retail
It's also nice how literally just everything in the game works towards some sort of progression.
Like questing? You get bronze and threads.
Like dungeons or scenarios? Bronze and threads.
I guess that's what flightstones are in DF, but it doesn't *feel* as good. Especially with how contrived the system feels comparably.
Yeah I hate having to spend about as much time on wowhead as I do actually playing the game trying to figure out what matters after each patch. Especially because everything looks the same but just has a different name.
`/console missingTransmogSourceInItemTooltips 1`
Type this in to get the "you have not collected this appearance" text on items, no matter what class you are on.
There is also an addon called "CanIMogIt?" or something similar that puts an orange 'x' on the icon if you haven't collected it but can, a '-' if you can't collect it because you can't wear it (won't be a problem in TWW it seems), and a check mark if you have it, with checkmark in a circle if you own the appearance but from a different item. Cool for seeing at a glance what you own.
What content are you doing? I have no idea if I'm missing something with this game mode or not. I checked a video guide and wowhead's guide about it but not seeing the point outside of leveling with interesting modifiers.
I hadn't heard this before. I've been mostly ignoring remix since I'm kind of burned out on wow right now.
What level will they be when they're transferred, and can you use allied races?
> What level will they be when they're transferred, and can you use allied races?
Everyone else already said you can, yes, but one thing you should also know is that timerunning characters are *not* disqualified from heritage armor. You can speed level an allied race to 70 and once Remix is over, you can then still get their heritage armors. Which is my plan, at least.
Yeah you can use allied races. They'll be the level they are when they port over. Gear wise I think they'll end up about 450ish ilvl (vaguely, think I saw it in Soul's interview).
As another commenter noted, everything just moves to retail automatically when the event ends, presumably at whatever level that character was when this happens. You actually create the Character on the server you want them to end up on after, so there's no complications with transfers.
You just make a fresh time runner character on your server of choice with the name of choice, and once remix is over it just becomes a retail character on that same realm. I myself am leveling a warlock on my new regular server so I don't have to transfer my old one, as well as a monk and hunter since I haven't played them before.
Experiencing MoP if you haven't before is a treat. Being able to play MoP with updated talents, mounts, skills, ect is fantastic. Doing the MoP raids and dungeons is lovely. Transmog is endgame and this is peak for mount collectors, toys, transmog, and chaos.
Honestly, I've gotten Inklings of how much I underrated MOP as "the cartoony panda expansion that jumped the shark" at the time, just from levelling through the first few zones when levelling alts before and picking up some of the story elsewhere... But I love it for having people expect it to be dull and cartoonish and instead getting a political thriller tied into nuclear war and a vivid study of the impact of a land war on people across the spectrum of existence.
I said this before when it was the testing weekend. I LOATHE re-leveling in an MMO, because I've been playing them for so long I've done it too many times.
Especially in WoW, because it lacks alt friendly level up features.
GW2 does it best being able to boost your alts up, and not have to level them if you don't want to by just playing your main and earning Tomes of Knowledge, and account Birthday gifts. While also being controllable since you can spend them one level up at a time, so you can naturally level for a bit to get used to things, and then speed up at your own pace.
Mist Remix is the most fun I've ever had leveling in WoW, and I REALLY hope they bring things like this into Retail.
Bronze being earned from everything you do, the fact that it's the one universal currency, threads from everything you do with more threads from harder content.
Great cosmetic rewards. The chests rewards instead of random quest items you might not need. So you always are excited to do quests, dungeon quests, scenarios, etc.
Raid Buff scrolls, Lust and Brez Scrolls. So freaking good.
Last night I queued for a dungeon, got Scholomance, was tank so made sure we took the time to destroy all the books and complete the quests for everyone to get their XP and goodie box. It’s worth taking that little extra time, and I’m glad it’s incentivized.
You made me check; I’m at 13 hours lmao.
All I’ve been doing is questing, it’s a complete throwback to release (not nearly as busy of course, having raids and max content open early was clever).
It’s also gotten me to level a Warrior. I don’t enjoy it as much, but it’s warming up to me now around level 60. I really need more Haste, lmao.
I was done with the jade forest before I knew it. Just one more quest I kept telling myself. It's a great expansion that I didn't appreciate enough at the time.
The simplicity of drops alone in Remix is so fucking refreshing. One cache and currency for all, and it feels rewarding.
I'm a returning playing from Legion, I started up again about a month ago. The amount of incoherence between the later content, timelines, and especially currencies/tokens/overly complex fetch and upgrade systems is so taxing... I really hope they streamline a bunch of these major things in TWW and take some inspiration from Remix.
**Less is more.**
What’s your secret? I have like 25 different tinkers, 15 different gem types/ranks, and like 7 meta gems. Bag isn’t full of gear since I’m scrapping as I can, but my bags are definitely still a mess. I wish there was a tinker tab where you “learn” the tinkers and metas and then choose what to empower on items you gain.
I'm in the same boat. I only recently came to retail after recently getting bored of SoD (I originally quit back in Wrath). The number of currencies and Dragonflight is so damn confusing and upgrading gear is stupidly complex. Even having Heroic, Awakened and Mythic versions of the same item is a bit of a mind fuck and makes it hard when trying to look stuff up.
instead of making dragon themed upgrade names for the 4 crests (and making brand new void names for the next expansions crests), blizz should have standardized them. just call em lfr crest, normal crest, heroic crest, mythic crest. people know what the big 4 raid difficulties are and can understand "i got this item from \[open world/m+/delves/pvp\] but its equivalent in power to an item from lfr/normal raid/heroic raid/mythic raid"
Yea, I wouldn't know. As a new player, the current system is not very approachable at all. I would hope Blizzard has worked to improve it over the years though. My point is that it is still super complex and probably turns off a lot of new players. I've only stuck with it for this long because I have a friend that has been playing for years and is able to walk me through it all.
Harder content drops gear that can be upgraded further. Harder content also drops the currency you need to upgrade that gear. It's even colored the same as item rarities.
I've never understood the confusion, even when it first came out. You can even find charts online that tell you exactly what content drops the exact currency you need to upgrade the exact track of gear you have.
It is not complex. You do content. The harder the content, the better the crest. Better crest upgrades better gear. The only way the system seems complex is if you try to read about it rather than just playing the game.
I mostly agree but I get the concern. Think back to artifact power. If you offer a universal-ish currency for multiple activities, people are going to suck the joy out of the game doing whatever the most efficienct activity is for said currency (hello, Maw of Souls!). Splitting currencies "allows" people to do different content without feeling sub-optimal. Not a super easy problem to solve. Flightstones get reasonably close.
Transmog costing nothing is so huge. I'm not even a role player, but I've really enjoyed switching to a more casual outfit while doing quests that don't involve combat (I have the expedition mount, so I don't have to make a trip to do it). It is a massive boon to immersion and I almost wish there was a button to click normally to just strip down to more casual wear.
Transmog not being free is still an ongoing crime. They finally realized the barber shop should be free… why not transmog? I’d play the game more if they did this which would actually earn them more money overall.
My only slight annoyance so far is how every time you swap an armor piece for a better one you have to extract the gem and reapply it to the new armor piece. Just a bit of busy work. Might have been nice if the active gem transferred to the armor you swapped to, and then if you actually wanted to swap it out you then had to extract it. Otherwise I’m having a blast.
While it doesn't apply for if you want to switch stats, or if you are upgrading to a higher quality armor-- it's worth noting that as soon as you loot a higher ilvl armor piece you can upgrade your current piece to that ilvl at any infinite bazaar for immensely cheaper than it would be if you hadn't looted that piece-- something like a 95% discount.
Still annoying especially at first when still trying to get proper stats but it helps keep the tedium down a bit.
Yeah, any mechanic that is randomly targeted at a player is completely out of whack. Durumu the forgotten onetaps players with the puddles he spawns under them, first boss on gate of the setting sun does easily 10 times your health with the targeted bomb, first boss of scarlet halls onetaps tanks with his random targeted damage nevermind dps. Hitting 70 currently has you stuck unable to do a ton of content because you just die.
Even early scaling is busted. I’m only level 20 something, and running dungeons is crazy. Mobs just do insane amounts of damage that can’t be reacted to in time. Insane
Wait, it's a single currency?? Why would blizz give us this tease of a better life, before slamming straight back in the next expac with God knows how many currency fillers
My friend who is an example of one of these people said wow they’re re using old expansions as content. Really can’t make these people happy and have to ignore them.
Which is wild, because when asmongold first jump shipped, he wasn't wrong. Shadowlands sucked. And if he's enjoying other games more and doesn't want to come back, that's totally fine. But Blizzard made WoW better again, and they deserve credit for that. To quote Keynes "When the facts change, I change my mind - what do you do, sir?"
Raid Finder is a walk in the park, however heroic dungeons and heroic scenarios are no joke as of now, though with the cloak, I'm sure it will become much easier.
Heroic dungeons are so hard right now. I made the dumb decision to try tanking for the first time and I ended up in Heroic Scarlet Halls, truly a trial by fire.
Tanking heroics is super rough at the early levels since tanks are missing a lot of gear, gems and talents, but smoothes out above level 40 and feel like current DF mythics
If they are making a seasonal retail experience, this is far and away a better way to handle it. It would fit in do have new seasons with new cosmetic rewards new gems instead of waiting for power random drops. Blizzard should heavily lean into this
I'm really, really enjoying it. It's amazing that I can buy the rewards I want instead of rng; I feel actually rewarded for my time.
It's the same feeling as the bullions in season 4. I don't get the chance to run many keys per week, and I've already been able to attain 3 BiS items of my choosing. When I'm done, I can buy the transmog I've never had drop. I wish they'd keep the system active always.
WoW Remix single-handedly made me a lot more optimistic and excited for TWW. If this is what they meant by breaking the mold of what WoW was, im super excited
Wish I could play The War Within with remix gameplay, I'm scared remix will make regular WoW boring and ruin it for me, it's just so much more fun. I've noticed people are less toxic too, hopefully that will last
100% agree.
Been playing on and off since WotLK.
Why does this expansion work? Fundamentally, as a returning casual player I AM NOT OVERWHELMED BY ALL THE SYSTEMS.
* Less BS items in the bag to manage
* Less currencies
* Every action yields bronze or threads
* You get flying right away
* You get gems right away
* It has some of the new changes that did work, such as the talents, modernized UI, etc.
I am excited to continue playing.
>Why does this expansion work?
Because they finally got out of our way and let us start doing the fun stuff up front instead of rep grinding for everything. Every event, quest, or encounter just flows into the next easy breezy. And here they've brought that exact attitude back to Pandaria. You want the mounts? Fine just buy them. Mythic Raid Tmogs? Fine just buy them. Toys? Fine just buy them. Just play the game and pick the colors you like. Go nuts! And we love it! When you just let us go straight to having fun, we actually have quite a lot of it
I’m enjoying the experience as well. Personally MOP was my all time favorite experience. I’m got my priest to 37 before logging off for the night and looking forward to getting to 70! It just feels so rewarding!
It is just dumb fun. I don't think this type of mode could last for a very long time, but this is EXACTLY the type of thing we need between expansion launches and down periods for the game. I don't even know if I will play S4 while this is going on anymore haha. And while S4 is amazing it is more fun than I thought it was going to be.
Yeah, having played a lot of D3 this felt like the natural extension to that, and I'm really enjoying it. I wouldn't want this all the time as I think it'll get old pretty quick, but it's amazing for pre-xpac levelling.
i dno man, seems very boring and stale for me. Once i realized i only did it for the mounts and mog and not for the fun gameplay and content, i kinda could not be bothered with it anymore.
Pandaria was such a good choice for this type of contained strategy too! Chromie time and the "starting area" updates were great for general levelling, but being able to really immerse yourself in the lore/story and activities of a single expansion, with new rewards and mechanics, dramatically streamlined from 1-70 with scaling for Dungeons, Scenarios, and Raids makes fun and really supports the Multi-player/community level activities. It's a great way to build a new character, and a great opportunity to really do a deep dive into a class or spec you haven't played before too- I'm probably not the only person who favors one toon because I feel locked in to an established character in order to be viable for current and future content.
The mix of elements and changes from not only a variety of expansions, but also other games (The gems is very Diablo esque) is simple enough to be effective and allow you to just ENJOY things, but different enough to keep things interesting.
Will it be fine to play a dps only class like mage? I have every healer at 70 and I don’t really want a duplicate, but I’m worried about getting into groups for raids during this event. Are raids even needed for any special mogs/items, or can I farm enough bronze without them?
The queue time for DPS doesn't feel nearly as bad for this since you get so many rewards for just doing stuff. It's not like you're just waiting around in town.
I've played on all three roles and the queue times have been fine for DPS, there's a ton of people on remix right now. Fastest queue time is healer obviously but as DPS I haven't had any queues go over 6 minutes.
I heal in Dragonflight, and made a shadow priest.. still low level, around 16 but it took me 10 mins to find a group for a dungeon.
So, just que up, and go quest. Easy.
i will probably go discipline around level 30+
Exactly, this is the mechanics which I love in GW2 and missing here. Its "nice" to run dungeons/raids for a small weekly chance to drop something and if you dont drop it, then you wasted your time.
I mean... You got Vault loot and Emblemes for Item Upgrades in DF. You never really waste time on running dungeons or Raids anymore. Maybe of you run +10-20 Dungeons a week you cap out alot but on that amount of dungeons i dont think its a bad system
>I have not been playing DF much. I played the beginning then I got bored for multiple reasons, the primary being the lore and the setting that didn't click with me.
I'm the complete opposite of you lol. I love everything about Dragonflight, while I feel really meh about Pandaria. Tried it yesterday, and just couldn't get into it.
I'm glad though that it's exactly what other people wanted. I think everyone wins.
The cloak scales over time rather then getting accelerated from the start. I only played a few hours and had a 30% leveling boost by level 25. If you make a second character you start with a big boost to the cape proportional to your main cape (making it VERY fast).
Which all feels like it was a test run for the system they are adding in TWW, where you get increased exp. boosts for every max level character you have.
MOP shows how to do a “happy expansion” right. DF just felt so corny and Disney like that I could never get into it.
Pandaria is truly one of the best continents ever put into the game.
this is kinda funny considering the vibe around MoP when it dropped lol
i wouldn’t really call DF corny or anything. what it lacked for me was just a significant hook. the whole time i was playing i was just like “ok why do i care about any of this”. i think raz was a good villain but the whole story and everything just never really grabbed me. there was nothing really compelling about it
I think part of what made MoP feel so good to me was the world felt very alive and the conflicts were interesting
The way they did Sha was awesome and made the continent a living character within the world
Mists' worldbuilding & themes that really just shows how much this is lacking in modern WoW.
Every race in Pandaria not only knew each other, had histories and interactions with each other. The entire continent felt lived in. They wrote a history, they gave us the means to learn that history in-game, the races all interacted and had quests about their relationships, cultures, etc and how they came together, etc. What has the relationship been between the Taursek, dragonspawn, Centaur, Tuskarr, etc during the last 10,000 years they've been together? Who fucking knows.
> DF just felt so corny and Disney
People were saying this stupid thing back in Mop too. There are pandas doing kung fu
>MOP shows how to do a “happy expansion”
How can you blame DF for being too "Disney" and yet call Mop a "happy xpac". Either its a good thing or its not like how come "dragons rebuild their society" is too corny but "pandas drink le beer!!!" isnt.
This is a bit of a tangent but I legit can’t find this info anywhere, can we queue with cross faction friends for dungeons in mop remix? A huge part of the draw of the mode for me and some buddies is being able to make characters on different factions of any race we find appealing, it’d be a real bummer if most of the content was faction locked because we had to queue for it
The one thing is toxcity with trying to learn how to tank. But that is player base not the game. Otherwise I have loved playing this remix style will try rolling a random dungeon tonite and hope experience is better
I feel like this is a pilot blizz is doing and they're going to end it and then have a lessons learned and then use the findings to either do another similar event or apply it to base wow
>I am calling it out, if this type of gameplay becomes the norm in TWW, I am coming back to retail.
You did catch the *remix* part, right? This isn't the normal formula, sadly.
The socket abilities are so fun. They make combat feel interesting and fun instead of a lot of the killing feeling like a chore or slog.
Also FREE transmog is so nice. I really wish they'd port that to retail or at least drop transmog cost like 75%. Every time I get a piece of gear I pop onto the Yak and fix my mog and I just love it. Instead of new gear being a gold punishment to mog it's just done and back to looking cool.
I've genuinely had more fun with the simplicity of Remix than ANY other form of WoW in recent memory. I raided throughout Wrath classic, I'm currently working on getting raid ready in SoD, I've been playing a little more retail due to the hero talents sounding and looking neat, etc. etc. but Remix has absolutely blown me away with how fun it is.
It just feels so effortless thanks to everything being tied to caches and bronze. Gotta hand it to Blizzard, they made me feel like a kid playing WoW for the first time again.
give it a week for people to discover how low the bronze drop rate is at max level and you will be singing a very different tune lol
at the start it feels good and you're getting drops and threads sure. but a normal raid drops 400 bronze per boss. so you do the math on that one
So?
If it feels good now, and it feels good till you hit that point, you had a blast for that whole journey.
The fun you had getting there doesn't just fucking evaporate when you are done. Like learn to just fucking love the moment dude.
Nonono don't you understand, fun can only be contextualised by what you have at the end to show of it. People are only having fun because they're getting something at the end.
Nobody plays wow because they actually enjoy playing it.
Silly goose.
It's like 5000 per transmog set (some are cheaper) and 38k for the rarest mounts (the 1% drop chance from raid ones)
If you want something specific or just a few things it is not bad at all, however if you plan to get literally everything it may be hard considering how many stuff there is to purchase (around 1.5M bronze to get everything afaik)
> however if you plan to get literally everything it may be hard considering how many stuff there is to purchase (around 1.5M bronze to get everything afaik)
Yea that's fine imo. I want the shaman SoO transmog snd I'm halfway to getting it on my monk that I played like 2 hours last night on
Getting everything should basically be impossible for all but the guys who are gonna grind like crazy the next 3 months haha
I think people are forgetting that this gamemode is for you to level alts. I'm at level 24 on my main and I have around 4k bronze. I plan to level a bunch of alts and mostly ignore bronze till I level them all, so getting the cloak to max xp is my main goal atm.
This is how I feel. Get those uber rare mounts and then get some xmogs I missed, which isn't many since I played a ton back in original MoP. Then if I feel up to it, get outliers I like. I don't even play retail rn lmfao
As a casual andy who pretty much only do mog/mount runs I already have most transmog and mounts unlocked. Only missing Sha and Galleon mounts so that's the only thing I want. Other than that I have no idea what to do with all the Bronze that I'll get lmao.
I get that can take awhile, but the ones that cost 5000 can be farmed in retail just fine. I'm glad that the ones that are almost impossible to get or exclusive to Remix are cheaper, like the trading post recolors and Kro'kon.
Yeah, an avid collector likely already has at least some of stuff, which means they'll have to spend less bronze.
But there's still new stuff for them to aim for.
Supposedly, you get around 30k bronze for running the mythic raid that's on a daily lockout. Just doing that would be 50 runs to hit 1.5M. If other stuff is at all comparable, it would be more like 20-30 runs plus the other things you do. I don't know about literally everything, but by the end, I actually think it's going to be common for people to have all the mounts and other stuff they really want and be getting transmog sets for alts they don't even really play.
I watched a Q&A with some of remixes designers yesterday, and they said they are monitoring bronze drop rates specifically. It sounds like they intend to adjust bronze if it turns out there's a problem getting enough, much like they did with plunderstorms dogshit currency drops.
Totally okay if you consider that you can get your BIS Gems relatively quickly in Remix and are therefore really OP.
We've already blasted through various normal raids at lvl 40 in a very short time.
You can also do the raids every day.
Alright you heard the expert guys stop having fun i repeat STOP HAVING FUN. Honestly everyone should just uninstall the game and every game for that matter cause if you aren’t having peak levels of fun you are wasting your time. Thanks friend for showing us the error in our ways
Its alright, I'm enjoying it enough at the moment.
The gems are really annoying to manage so if they bring this back next expansion hopefully something to reconsider.
I do hope going forwards we see more content for retail rather than these bonus events, I'd personally have preferred if more resources went into taking back Gilneas and Dark Heart, both 10/15 minute "content updates"
Since ED dropped in November we've only had small 15 minute updates here and there, we didn't even get anything new for S4 so I dunno these kind of things while really cool seem to come at the expense for bigger updates for retail which i'm not a fan of.
since they are going crazy with abilities they should just give you enough talent points to fill your entire skill trees by level 70 so the only customizing is gems. now that would be crazy.
Maybe I'm missing something but it feels kinda meh so far. Especially the leveling speed, people hyped it up a bunch but it feels far slower than just doing questing or dungeons on a regular character.
Yeah mop was awesome back in the day! Glad I got to enjoy it the first time. No interest in revisiting though, seems like it was just yesterday I was crushing some of the best dailies ever, some of the best dungeons/raid content ever, and enjoying a great pvp scene!
Cheers to everyone discovering it for the first time! 💙
The one currency is huge. I am so sick of every different faction and zone having multiple currency. They acknowledged it was a problem in shadowlands but it seems they did nothing to fix it in DF. Heaven forbid something in time rifts could help out with anything in zaralek caverns. But here you play the game you get bronze.
Bag space got worse with every faction having currency tokens. And then 3 ranks of every profession reagent.
I've got so much shit in my bags that I only know what half of it is even for.
The reagant ranks in particular seem to mistly rankle and hinder.
Yah I stopped doing open world quests and quit professions. They are no fun anymore so I just do mythics which I really enjoy and pay gold. I really hope the next expansion does away with the 50 different currencies and map having 50 different events which you have to have a spread sheet to remember what gives what.
Yeah there is some kind of barely doled out currency from those storms that you can use to buy pets and a mount. I have like 60 and have zero desire to go any further. They really need to work on less currencies and multiple methods to get currencies.
You get a LOT more from Forbidden Reach, but it might be tricky to do stuff there as it’s a lot of group content. But you might be able to solo some stuff to get it. It’s how I was able to get that currency.
Oh I mean the lightening bolt currency that only seems to come from the storms. There’s that cloud currency that is also in the forbidden reach that I think you are speaking to here. And it was very much appreciated that they carried that currency on in that new area. I just wish the other one would too.
This thread is perfect. There are so many currencies we can’t even talk about them without people getting really confused.
I think that functionally the goal of different currencies is to get the daily and monthly active user numbers up. It makes sense to them because you can't earn a currency for Y by doing X, so when they release Y, you have to do the Y activities, you can't use stored currency from when you did X. But to me, with how much currency it takes, I'm never going to get the rewards from X, Y, and Z, so instead I'll choose X and do that every day, because the X activity is the one I enjoy. I literally just stop caring about the Y and Z rewards. They don't motivate me. But if you could use X currency to get Y and Z rewards, that might encourage me to keep logging in to do X activity so that I can get the other rewards.
There definitely needs to be more collapsing of currencies between different activities in the same patch. Like I do think it would be an issue if MoP Remix 1.5 came out and also used Bronze for everything because people coming back to the game for 1.5 would immediately be massively behind people that farmed to prepare for the new patch. But when Zaralek and Time Rifts both drop in the same patch and have similar rewards, having two parallel currencies doesn't make sense.
People are really just kind of describing anima and I'm not sure they realize it. That *was* the universal currency. It's sort of a mixed bag, and to your point, allowing for any kind of hording between patches is super dangerous.
Except MANY of the things you could purchase with anima...also required another currency in order to actually be able to use it for xmogs and whatnot. Anima is definitely not anywhere near the same as how bronze is functioning in Remix
Anima acquisition is also awful relative to how many things you can buy with it. I got to level 12 in Mists remix and have about 1000 bronze. If I had like 10 and the rewards cost what they did, I'd level the alts I want for TWW and dip. But I'm done with DF so this is actual motivation to play the content, with rewards I can earn before it ends.
Anima had like 500 currencies just related to it. If it was just you get anima no one would have a problem with it. The problem was that all the random anima currency items filled your bags and you had to go out of your way to turn them into currency
They could have a progress (Dream) currency, and a legacy (everything before Dream) currency - and when a new season dropped, Progress is converted to Legacy. If I remember correctly, they even had/have that in PvP.
Yeah they probably should have one currency for each of the stupid world events like superbloom, time rift, soup. If they release one that is bad that no one wants to do like big dig I think it actually has a negative effect on users forcing them to do it even for cosmetics because it is bad.
Yeah. I think it’s similar to how they have the progression avenues in DF where if you want to do high end content you can do PvP or raiding or mythic plus. If they want to push my metrics up they need to give me choices to engage in depending on what interests me that season/month/patch. Like I’m happy if their metrics are up because the game is hopefully thriving and engaging to a lot of people. That’s great! But please help me help you get these metrics because I don’t have the time that I had 20 years ago to devote to spending 3 months to get one small thing and then another 2 months to get another small thing.
All it would take to fix this is still just put everything in the currency tab and have it wiped on new expansions, then let you purchase legacy content with any of currency from new expansion. They could just add a new currency every season and they'd be fine.
You don't even need to do that (a wipe). Literally a solved problem. Just look at how FF14 does Tomestomes. On expansion release, you get a new "level cap currency", the old "level cap currency" gets deprecated and can be rolled back into a singular "legacy currency". You can do this with any kind of granularity you like. Universal Legacy, Level Cap, Cutting Edge. would give you a pretty good spread in just three currencies that could be maintained forever. Basically gives you a currency for all legacy content, a currency for content in the latest expansion, and a currency for the latest patch content.
I remember when all you had to do for the special mounts and pets in an area was just get the rep and spend gold. Extra currencies are a gimmick i detest..
That this one isn't account-bound seriously grinds my gears. "But that would be too easy, you get 10 for free just by killing your first rare on a character!" Yes that is exactly my point, *Literally nobody* has been doing the primalist future since 10.1 dropped because it's such a pain in the ass. Let my 30 alts run over a rare or two in there so I can buy the damned things there is no hope of getting anymore.
In fairness, we can look at this as the extreme experiment for blizz to see how we like it. With good feedback not just on liking mop remix but the reduced currency bloat maybe Blizz will implement similar systems for retail
They also know it ends so if it deevolves into degenerate gameplay, well the remix is over anyhow and they can try something else next time.
It's also nice how literally just everything in the game works towards some sort of progression. Like questing? You get bronze and threads. Like dungeons or scenarios? Bronze and threads. I guess that's what flightstones are in DF, but it doesn't *feel* as good. Especially with how contrived the system feels comparably.
I think they tried with having DF supplies instead of 2000 types of anima tokens... and then they just slapped a bunch of random shit on top of that
every fucking small patch introduced a new currency or something else that took space in your bag it seemed like. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, BABY!
Yeah I hate having to spend about as much time on wowhead as I do actually playing the game trying to figure out what matters after each patch. Especially because everything looks the same but just has a different name.
This is the one. Imagine a world where you can do activities in dragonflight to go back and buy rewards from shadowlands for example
`/console missingTransmogSourceInItemTooltips 1` Type this in to get the "you have not collected this appearance" text on items, no matter what class you are on.
There is also an addon called "CanIMogIt?" or something similar that puts an orange 'x' on the icon if you haven't collected it but can, a '-' if you can't collect it because you can't wear it (won't be a problem in TWW it seems), and a check mark if you have it, with checkmark in a circle if you own the appearance but from a different item. Cool for seeing at a glance what you own.
I played for 6 hours straight and didn't even realize. It's level 35 before I knew it. It really is a great achievment
It’s the first time I didn’t even pay attention to what level I was. I was having so much fun I didn’t even care about my level or experience gains
What content are you doing? I have no idea if I'm missing something with this game mode or not. I checked a video guide and wowhead's guide about it but not seeing the point outside of leveling with interesting modifiers.
Plus your characters will be moved to retail servers after the remix ends. Always a good way to level an alt and earn some dope shit while doing so
I hadn't heard this before. I've been mostly ignoring remix since I'm kind of burned out on wow right now. What level will they be when they're transferred, and can you use allied races?
> What level will they be when they're transferred, and can you use allied races? Everyone else already said you can, yes, but one thing you should also know is that timerunning characters are *not* disqualified from heritage armor. You can speed level an allied race to 70 and once Remix is over, you can then still get their heritage armors. Which is my plan, at least.
All the races are available and when the event ends the characters just slide over, regardless of level.
Yeah you can use allied races. They'll be the level they are when they port over. Gear wise I think they'll end up about 450ish ilvl (vaguely, think I saw it in Soul's interview).
As another commenter noted, everything just moves to retail automatically when the event ends, presumably at whatever level that character was when this happens. You actually create the Character on the server you want them to end up on after, so there's no complications with transfers. You just make a fresh time runner character on your server of choice with the name of choice, and once remix is over it just becomes a retail character on that same realm. I myself am leveling a warlock on my new regular server so I don't have to transfer my old one, as well as a monk and hunter since I haven't played them before.
Experiencing MoP if you haven't before is a treat. Being able to play MoP with updated talents, mounts, skills, ect is fantastic. Doing the MoP raids and dungeons is lovely. Transmog is endgame and this is peak for mount collectors, toys, transmog, and chaos.
Honestly, I've gotten Inklings of how much I underrated MOP as "the cartoony panda expansion that jumped the shark" at the time, just from levelling through the first few zones when levelling alts before and picking up some of the story elsewhere... But I love it for having people expect it to be dull and cartoonish and instead getting a political thriller tied into nuclear war and a vivid study of the impact of a land war on people across the spectrum of existence.
Its basically just a way to re experience MoP in it's (almost) whole, with some modifiers to shake it up, and get some mounts/mog's along the way.
I said this before when it was the testing weekend. I LOATHE re-leveling in an MMO, because I've been playing them for so long I've done it too many times. Especially in WoW, because it lacks alt friendly level up features. GW2 does it best being able to boost your alts up, and not have to level them if you don't want to by just playing your main and earning Tomes of Knowledge, and account Birthday gifts. While also being controllable since you can spend them one level up at a time, so you can naturally level for a bit to get used to things, and then speed up at your own pace. Mist Remix is the most fun I've ever had leveling in WoW, and I REALLY hope they bring things like this into Retail. Bronze being earned from everything you do, the fact that it's the one universal currency, threads from everything you do with more threads from harder content. Great cosmetic rewards. The chests rewards instead of random quest items you might not need. So you always are excited to do quests, dungeon quests, scenarios, etc. Raid Buff scrolls, Lust and Brez Scrolls. So freaking good.
Last night I queued for a dungeon, got Scholomance, was tank so made sure we took the time to destroy all the books and complete the quests for everyone to get their XP and goodie box. It’s worth taking that little extra time, and I’m glad it’s incentivized.
And taking the time to kill all the mobs is still rewarding no use in skipping
1000% my dude, I feel exactly the same
You made me check; I’m at 13 hours lmao. All I’ve been doing is questing, it’s a complete throwback to release (not nearly as busy of course, having raids and max content open early was clever). It’s also gotten me to level a Warrior. I don’t enjoy it as much, but it’s warming up to me now around level 60. I really need more Haste, lmao.
I was done with the jade forest before I knew it. Just one more quest I kept telling myself. It's a great expansion that I didn't appreciate enough at the time.
That was the same as me "I'll stop when I get to the valley" as I keep going until I get to the part when you play as chen in the brewery.
The simplicity of drops alone in Remix is so fucking refreshing. One cache and currency for all, and it feels rewarding. I'm a returning playing from Legion, I started up again about a month ago. The amount of incoherence between the later content, timelines, and especially currencies/tokens/overly complex fetch and upgrade systems is so taxing... I really hope they streamline a bunch of these major things in TWW and take some inspiration from Remix. **Less is more.**
Agreed. Whats so eye opening is that my bag is empty. All the time. It’s wonderful.
What’s your secret? I have like 25 different tinkers, 15 different gem types/ranks, and like 7 meta gems. Bag isn’t full of gear since I’m scrapping as I can, but my bags are definitely still a mess. I wish there was a tinker tab where you “learn” the tinkers and metas and then choose what to empower on items you gain.
Like the runes in SoD
I'm in the same boat. I only recently came to retail after recently getting bored of SoD (I originally quit back in Wrath). The number of currencies and Dragonflight is so damn confusing and upgrading gear is stupidly complex. Even having Heroic, Awakened and Mythic versions of the same item is a bit of a mind fuck and makes it hard when trying to look stuff up.
Wish they could simplify the upgrades. We could call them “justice” and “valor” points.
instead of making dragon themed upgrade names for the 4 crests (and making brand new void names for the next expansions crests), blizz should have standardized them. just call em lfr crest, normal crest, heroic crest, mythic crest. people know what the big 4 raid difficulties are and can understand "i got this item from \[open world/m+/delves/pvp\] but its equivalent in power to an item from lfr/normal raid/heroic raid/mythic raid"
While the upgrading in retail is more complex, it's significantly better than the old Valor system.
Yea, I wouldn't know. As a new player, the current system is not very approachable at all. I would hope Blizzard has worked to improve it over the years though. My point is that it is still super complex and probably turns off a lot of new players. I've only stuck with it for this long because I have a friend that has been playing for years and is able to walk me through it all.
Harder content drops gear that can be upgraded further. Harder content also drops the currency you need to upgrade that gear. It's even colored the same as item rarities. I've never understood the confusion, even when it first came out. You can even find charts online that tell you exactly what content drops the exact currency you need to upgrade the exact track of gear you have.
It is not complex. You do content. The harder the content, the better the crest. Better crest upgrades better gear. The only way the system seems complex is if you try to read about it rather than just playing the game.
Hard agree. The crests and flightstones are very straightforward. Every other currency should be disposed of though.
I mostly agree but I get the concern. Think back to artifact power. If you offer a universal-ish currency for multiple activities, people are going to suck the joy out of the game doing whatever the most efficienct activity is for said currency (hello, Maw of Souls!). Splitting currencies "allows" people to do different content without feeling sub-optimal. Not a super easy problem to solve. Flightstones get reasonably close.
Repairs cost nothing. Transmog costs nothing. Gold is minimal. Wish it was like this in retail kinda. At least free mogs.
Don’t leave out skyriding at the very onset
Not owning DF and looking at all those people flying around is certainly a feeling
That was a bug at launch. Everyone can dragonride in remix :) Go back and unlock it.
Holy moly it's true. And they say crying on reddit accomplishes nothing
Dragonriding in the Remix is not locked behind owning DF.
It's not? I tried doing the quest and it said "you need to have an expansion"
I do not have the expansion and I did the quest. You are trying to do the timerunning version of the quest right? The one in the first village in MoP?
Someone explained it was bugged at launch Thanks :)
Gotta agree with you on that. Dragonriding straight off the bat is insanely good.
Transmog costing nothing is so huge. I'm not even a role player, but I've really enjoyed switching to a more casual outfit while doing quests that don't involve combat (I have the expedition mount, so I don't have to make a trip to do it). It is a massive boon to immersion and I almost wish there was a button to click normally to just strip down to more casual wear.
You know ou can save outfits? Multiple? It basicaly boils down to press two buttons :D
You could basically accomplish this with gear sets. You can even put them on your action bar
Transmog not being free is still an ongoing crime. They finally realized the barber shop should be free… why not transmog? I’d play the game more if they did this which would actually earn them more money overall.
My only slight annoyance so far is how every time you swap an armor piece for a better one you have to extract the gem and reapply it to the new armor piece. Just a bit of busy work. Might have been nice if the active gem transferred to the armor you swapped to, and then if you actually wanted to swap it out you then had to extract it. Otherwise I’m having a blast.
While it doesn't apply for if you want to switch stats, or if you are upgrading to a higher quality armor-- it's worth noting that as soon as you loot a higher ilvl armor piece you can upgrade your current piece to that ilvl at any infinite bazaar for immensely cheaper than it would be if you hadn't looted that piece-- something like a 95% discount. Still annoying especially at first when still trying to get proper stats but it helps keep the tedium down a bit.
That’s really good to know especially for blue items
currently the problem is scaling. You get completely fucked past 60.
Yeah, any mechanic that is randomly targeted at a player is completely out of whack. Durumu the forgotten onetaps players with the puddles he spawns under them, first boss on gate of the setting sun does easily 10 times your health with the targeted bomb, first boss of scarlet halls onetaps tanks with his random targeted damage nevermind dps. Hitting 70 currently has you stuck unable to do a ton of content because you just die.
Even early scaling is busted. I’m only level 20 something, and running dungeons is crazy. Mobs just do insane amounts of damage that can’t be reacted to in time. Insane
Wait, it's a single currency?? Why would blizz give us this tease of a better life, before slamming straight back in the next expac with God knows how many currency fillers
Yep! One currency, easy to keep track of. Transmog and repairs are free too. It's gunna be so hard to go back to dragonflight after this.
maybe it's a tease of a better life yet to come :)
And again: it must suck to hate wow right now...
asmongold fanbase in shambles.. working overtime with the mental ginastics
My friend who is an example of one of these people said wow they’re re using old expansions as content. Really can’t make these people happy and have to ignore them.
Which is wild, because when asmongold first jump shipped, he wasn't wrong. Shadowlands sucked. And if he's enjoying other games more and doesn't want to come back, that's totally fine. But Blizzard made WoW better again, and they deserve credit for that. To quote Keynes "When the facts change, I change my mind - what do you do, sir?"
you guys are strangely obsessed about that
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Are raids difficult at all? For me i was hoping to do a bit of realish raiding, i liked mop raids.
Player power is astronomical due to the tinker system Difficulty will be low.
Raid Finder is a walk in the park, however heroic dungeons and heroic scenarios are no joke as of now, though with the cloak, I'm sure it will become much easier.
Heroic dungeons are so hard right now. I made the dumb decision to try tanking for the first time and I ended up in Heroic Scarlet Halls, truly a trial by fire.
Tanking heroics is super rough at the early levels since tanks are missing a lot of gear, gems and talents, but smoothes out above level 40 and feel like current DF mythics
The scaling gets weird above 60, lots of dps getting one shot by everything with massive overkills.
If they are making a seasonal retail experience, this is far and away a better way to handle it. It would fit in do have new seasons with new cosmetic rewards new gems instead of waiting for power random drops. Blizzard should heavily lean into this
honestly facts. MoP remix is nothing but a W for blizzard. They earned this one for sure.
I'm really, really enjoying it. It's amazing that I can buy the rewards I want instead of rng; I feel actually rewarded for my time. It's the same feeling as the bullions in season 4. I don't get the chance to run many keys per week, and I've already been able to attain 3 BiS items of my choosing. When I'm done, I can buy the transmog I've never had drop. I wish they'd keep the system active always.
WoW Remix single-handedly made me a lot more optimistic and excited for TWW. If this is what they meant by breaking the mold of what WoW was, im super excited
Wish I could play The War Within with remix gameplay, I'm scared remix will make regular WoW boring and ruin it for me, it's just so much more fun. I've noticed people are less toxic too, hopefully that will last
100% agree. Been playing on and off since WotLK. Why does this expansion work? Fundamentally, as a returning casual player I AM NOT OVERWHELMED BY ALL THE SYSTEMS. * Less BS items in the bag to manage * Less currencies * Every action yields bronze or threads * You get flying right away * You get gems right away * It has some of the new changes that did work, such as the talents, modernized UI, etc. I am excited to continue playing.
>Why does this expansion work? Because they finally got out of our way and let us start doing the fun stuff up front instead of rep grinding for everything. Every event, quest, or encounter just flows into the next easy breezy. And here they've brought that exact attitude back to Pandaria. You want the mounts? Fine just buy them. Mythic Raid Tmogs? Fine just buy them. Toys? Fine just buy them. Just play the game and pick the colors you like. Go nuts! And we love it! When you just let us go straight to having fun, we actually have quite a lot of it
I’m enjoying the experience as well. Personally MOP was my all time favorite experience. I’m got my priest to 37 before logging off for the night and looking forward to getting to 70! It just feels so rewarding!
It is just dumb fun. I don't think this type of mode could last for a very long time, but this is EXACTLY the type of thing we need between expansion launches and down periods for the game. I don't even know if I will play S4 while this is going on anymore haha. And while S4 is amazing it is more fun than I thought it was going to be.
Season 4 is far from amazing lol
Does nobody realize this is KINDA like diablo seasons?
Yeah, having played a lot of D3 this felt like the natural extension to that, and I'm really enjoying it. I wouldn't want this all the time as I think it'll get old pretty quick, but it's amazing for pre-xpac levelling.
That is how I feel too. Which is great because after awhile it was the only diablo I played.
i dno man, seems very boring and stale for me. Once i realized i only did it for the mounts and mog and not for the fun gameplay and content, i kinda could not be bothered with it anymore.
I just did Mogu'shan vault and it was so refreshing to have much simpler mechanics
Pandaria was such a good choice for this type of contained strategy too! Chromie time and the "starting area" updates were great for general levelling, but being able to really immerse yourself in the lore/story and activities of a single expansion, with new rewards and mechanics, dramatically streamlined from 1-70 with scaling for Dungeons, Scenarios, and Raids makes fun and really supports the Multi-player/community level activities. It's a great way to build a new character, and a great opportunity to really do a deep dive into a class or spec you haven't played before too- I'm probably not the only person who favors one toon because I feel locked in to an established character in order to be viable for current and future content. The mix of elements and changes from not only a variety of expansions, but also other games (The gems is very Diablo esque) is simple enough to be effective and allow you to just ENJOY things, but different enough to keep things interesting.
How much bronze do we get from doing stuff? I need like 500k for everything I want and scared how long it’ll take lol
Will it be fine to play a dps only class like mage? I have every healer at 70 and I don’t really want a duplicate, but I’m worried about getting into groups for raids during this event. Are raids even needed for any special mogs/items, or can I farm enough bronze without them?
The queue time for DPS doesn't feel nearly as bad for this since you get so many rewards for just doing stuff. It's not like you're just waiting around in town.
I've played on all three roles and the queue times have been fine for DPS, there's a ton of people on remix right now. Fastest queue time is healer obviously but as DPS I haven't had any queues go over 6 minutes.
I heal in Dragonflight, and made a shadow priest.. still low level, around 16 but it took me 10 mins to find a group for a dungeon. So, just que up, and go quest. Easy. i will probably go discipline around level 30+
Exactly, this is the mechanics which I love in GW2 and missing here. Its "nice" to run dungeons/raids for a small weekly chance to drop something and if you dont drop it, then you wasted your time.
I mean... You got Vault loot and Emblemes for Item Upgrades in DF. You never really waste time on running dungeons or Raids anymore. Maybe of you run +10-20 Dungeons a week you cap out alot but on that amount of dungeons i dont think its a bad system
It's not a bad system, the Bullion system makes it better, and I think it should be in the game during regular raid seasons.
They need to fix the scaling, I couldn't keep up with the damage on low levels (flash heal spam ftw) but outside of it, it's very fun
>I have not been playing DF much. I played the beginning then I got bored for multiple reasons, the primary being the lore and the setting that didn't click with me. I'm the complete opposite of you lol. I love everything about Dragonflight, while I feel really meh about Pandaria. Tried it yesterday, and just couldn't get into it. I'm glad though that it's exactly what other people wanted. I think everyone wins.
no inventory clutter is the best thing about remix. sure you got the gems but once you have them and sorted it's really chill
I gotta be honest. I love it! I am having such a blast. Blizz...please keep these types of things coming.
Only thing that bugs me out is "accelerated leveling" I mean how. It feels so much slower than on retail.
The cloak scales over time rather then getting accelerated from the start. I only played a few hours and had a 30% leveling boost by level 25. If you make a second character you start with a big boost to the cape proportional to your main cape (making it VERY fast). Which all feels like it was a test run for the system they are adding in TWW, where you get increased exp. boosts for every max level character you have.
capped at 100% XP and +150 in secondary stats. While a big power boost, definitely not close to what it was on the PTR.
I level at LEAST as fast now in my mid 40s as I did in the beginning, if not faster. The cloak picks up.
It does feel slow to me. I thought one of the perks was going to be faster leveling.
I expected to be 70 in 4 hours top.
I didn't expect it to be that fast. But as I dinged 20 I thought I'd be around 35 or so by that time.
every single normal raid boss you kill gives you a permanent 12% XP buff...
MOP shows how to do a “happy expansion” right. DF just felt so corny and Disney like that I could never get into it. Pandaria is truly one of the best continents ever put into the game.
this is kinda funny considering the vibe around MoP when it dropped lol i wouldn’t really call DF corny or anything. what it lacked for me was just a significant hook. the whole time i was playing i was just like “ok why do i care about any of this”. i think raz was a good villain but the whole story and everything just never really grabbed me. there was nothing really compelling about it
I think part of what made MoP feel so good to me was the world felt very alive and the conflicts were interesting The way they did Sha was awesome and made the continent a living character within the world
Mists' worldbuilding & themes that really just shows how much this is lacking in modern WoW. Every race in Pandaria not only knew each other, had histories and interactions with each other. The entire continent felt lived in. They wrote a history, they gave us the means to learn that history in-game, the races all interacted and had quests about their relationships, cultures, etc and how they came together, etc. What has the relationship been between the Taursek, dragonspawn, Centaur, Tuskarr, etc during the last 10,000 years they've been together? Who fucking knows.
> DF just felt so corny and Disney People were saying this stupid thing back in Mop too. There are pandas doing kung fu >MOP shows how to do a “happy expansion” How can you blame DF for being too "Disney" and yet call Mop a "happy xpac". Either its a good thing or its not like how come "dragons rebuild their society" is too corny but "pandas drink le beer!!!" isnt.
Happy? I just did a quest where a female Tauren died during childbirth.
Most fun I've had in retail the last 5 years
Yes, it feels so nice to play and chill.
Literally same.
This is a bit of a tangent but I legit can’t find this info anywhere, can we queue with cross faction friends for dungeons in mop remix? A huge part of the draw of the mode for me and some buddies is being able to make characters on different factions of any race we find appealing, it’d be a real bummer if most of the content was faction locked because we had to queue for it
I don’t have an answer but my guess it sadly not for queued content. Group finder, sure, just like in normal.
The one thing is toxcity with trying to learn how to tank. But that is player base not the game. Otherwise I have loved playing this remix style will try rolling a random dungeon tonite and hope experience is better
Why's it gotta be time limited though? If it's really good, they ought to keep it around.
I feel like this is a pilot blizz is doing and they're going to end it and then have a lessons learned and then use the findings to either do another similar event or apply it to base wow
Does Remix have access to all the transmog you've already unlocked in retail?
Yep and there is no tmog fee to swap around appearances.
I'm really excited to try this. Also haven't played since beginning of DF. Unfortunately a very busy schedule until Tuesday but then I have 5 days off
Best time in wow in a long time, love it, haters gonna hate that's for sure
MoP was goated now everyone can see it
>I am calling it out, if this type of gameplay becomes the norm in TWW, I am coming back to retail. You did catch the *remix* part, right? This isn't the normal formula, sadly.
It's a steady dopamine drip. A FOMO festival.
The socket abilities are so fun. They make combat feel interesting and fun instead of a lot of the killing feeling like a chore or slog. Also FREE transmog is so nice. I really wish they'd port that to retail or at least drop transmog cost like 75%. Every time I get a piece of gear I pop onto the Yak and fix my mog and I just love it. Instead of new gear being a gold punishment to mog it's just done and back to looking cool.
I have never seen a game company give us a better event than MoP Remix so far, honestly. It's super fun, I love it.
I've genuinely had more fun with the simplicity of Remix than ANY other form of WoW in recent memory. I raided throughout Wrath classic, I'm currently working on getting raid ready in SoD, I've been playing a little more retail due to the hero talents sounding and looking neat, etc. etc. but Remix has absolutely blown me away with how fun it is. It just feels so effortless thanks to everything being tied to caches and bronze. Gotta hand it to Blizzard, they made me feel like a kid playing WoW for the first time again.
give it a week for people to discover how low the bronze drop rate is at max level and you will be singing a very different tune lol at the start it feels good and you're getting drops and threads sure. but a normal raid drops 400 bronze per boss. so you do the math on that one
It was said in a raid that the entirety of Soo on mythic gives about 30,000 bronze which is almost one whole rare mount
And its a daily lockout.
Lol. Daily SoO mythic clears? No thanks.
It’s gonna end up being like Torghast as it is now. Speed run fucking everything up.
Well, the point is that you can do it more than once per week, pretty much as often as you want to.
So? If it feels good now, and it feels good till you hit that point, you had a blast for that whole journey. The fun you had getting there doesn't just fucking evaporate when you are done. Like learn to just fucking love the moment dude.
Nonono don't you understand, fun can only be contextualised by what you have at the end to show of it. People are only having fun because they're getting something at the end. Nobody plays wow because they actually enjoy playing it. Silly goose.
ouch, right in the reality :(
Yeah but with all those gems and abilities you are burning through enemies in seconds, its not like you will spend hours in one raid wing.
Outside upgrading gear are bronze costs for things really that bad?
It's like 5000 per transmog set (some are cheaper) and 38k for the rarest mounts (the 1% drop chance from raid ones) If you want something specific or just a few things it is not bad at all, however if you plan to get literally everything it may be hard considering how many stuff there is to purchase (around 1.5M bronze to get everything afaik)
> however if you plan to get literally everything it may be hard considering how many stuff there is to purchase (around 1.5M bronze to get everything afaik) Yea that's fine imo. I want the shaman SoO transmog snd I'm halfway to getting it on my monk that I played like 2 hours last night on Getting everything should basically be impossible for all but the guys who are gonna grind like crazy the next 3 months haha
I think people are forgetting that this gamemode is for you to level alts. I'm at level 24 on my main and I have around 4k bronze. I plan to level a bunch of alts and mostly ignore bronze till I level them all, so getting the cloak to max xp is my main goal atm.
Can you actually aim for xp threads? or is it random?
afaik it's random, but every thread helps an alt.
Right I got 2 hours of playtime and about 3k bronze, I really don’t think it’s that bad
Tbh, I don't think the intention is to get literally everything. It's only the completionists that feel that way imo.
My goal is Mounts first, then mogs forms main and preferred alts. Once I get those I'll just knock stuff off the checklist.
This is how I feel. Get those uber rare mounts and then get some xmogs I missed, which isn't many since I played a ton back in original MoP. Then if I feel up to it, get outliers I like. I don't even play retail rn lmfao
As a casual andy who pretty much only do mog/mount runs I already have most transmog and mounts unlocked. Only missing Sha and Galleon mounts so that's the only thing I want. Other than that I have no idea what to do with all the Bronze that I'll get lmao.
I get that can take awhile, but the ones that cost 5000 can be farmed in retail just fine. I'm glad that the ones that are almost impossible to get or exclusive to Remix are cheaper, like the trading post recolors and Kro'kon.
Yeah, an avid collector likely already has at least some of stuff, which means they'll have to spend less bronze. But there's still new stuff for them to aim for.
Supposedly, you get around 30k bronze for running the mythic raid that's on a daily lockout. Just doing that would be 50 runs to hit 1.5M. If other stuff is at all comparable, it would be more like 20-30 runs plus the other things you do. I don't know about literally everything, but by the end, I actually think it's going to be common for people to have all the mounts and other stuff they really want and be getting transmog sets for alts they don't even really play.
It may be a hot take, but I am absolutely ok with people who want to buy EVERYTHING having to work for that. Hasn't it always been that way?
I watched a Q&A with some of remixes designers yesterday, and they said they are monitoring bronze drop rates specifically. It sounds like they intend to adjust bronze if it turns out there's a problem getting enough, much like they did with plunderstorms dogshit currency drops.
But also the raids will only get easier and easier the more people upgrade their cloaks/gear and they’re also reset daily.
It’s only an issue is your trying to 100% in the first month or something. I’m only targeting the stuff I actually want.
Totally okay if you consider that you can get your BIS Gems relatively quickly in Remix and are therefore really OP. We've already blasted through various normal raids at lvl 40 in a very short time. You can also do the raids every day.
Alright you heard the expert guys stop having fun i repeat STOP HAVING FUN. Honestly everyone should just uninstall the game and every game for that matter cause if you aren’t having peak levels of fun you are wasting your time. Thanks friend for showing us the error in our ways
Its alright, I'm enjoying it enough at the moment. The gems are really annoying to manage so if they bring this back next expansion hopefully something to reconsider. I do hope going forwards we see more content for retail rather than these bonus events, I'd personally have preferred if more resources went into taking back Gilneas and Dark Heart, both 10/15 minute "content updates" Since ED dropped in November we've only had small 15 minute updates here and there, we didn't even get anything new for S4 so I dunno these kind of things while really cool seem to come at the expense for bigger updates for retail which i'm not a fan of.
since they are going crazy with abilities they should just give you enough talent points to fill your entire skill trees by level 70 so the only customizing is gems. now that would be crazy.
I would simply pass away from having that many buttons
It'd be fun for some classes, kind pointless for others.
Maybe I'm missing something but it feels kinda meh so far. Especially the leveling speed, people hyped it up a bunch but it feels far slower than just doing questing or dungeons on a regular character.
permanent 12% xp buff for every single normal mode raid boss you kill.
Blizzard cooked with this one
Yeah mop was awesome back in the day! Glad I got to enjoy it the first time. No interest in revisiting though, seems like it was just yesterday I was crushing some of the best dailies ever, some of the best dungeons/raid content ever, and enjoying a great pvp scene! Cheers to everyone discovering it for the first time! 💙
sucks i did loremaster of mop some months ago, now it just seems pain having to go thru the same stuff again